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Miniatures Adventure => Back of Beyond => Topic started by: walktapus on January 11, 2007, 11:03:09 AM
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I am searching for rules that would suit me and my pals for gaming RCW/BoB actions in Siberia/Mongolia (also Warlords and Civil War China later this year).
We have tried a variant of LotOW, and Little Contemptible Armies+BoB but were not fully satisfied.
The idea is to play 20-50 minis per player, 1-2 players a side, and have quick fun games, with one mini = one fighter. And allow for detailed terrain like towns and houses with removable roofs.
I am considering variants of Disposable Heroes and NUTS from Two Hour Wargames.
Would these rulesets adapt easily to the earlier period ? Do you know if somebody has already made such adaptations ? Any other suggestion ? Is NUTS ! the best THW ruleset to start with ?
The quest never ends...
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Try Disposable Beroes
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J'ai ce qu'il te faut. Ca s'appel escarmouche, je t'envois la version non corrigée. T'auras plus qu'à la tester :mrgreen:
I've got what you need. It's ESCARMOUCHE. I send you the beta version. You must test it :mrgreen:
Stéphane
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There is always "The Sword and the Flame" which is quite good and has a Back of Beyond version as well.
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Is NUTS ! the best THW ruleset to start with ?
I would use NUTS!, and look for the cavalry mods on the THW Yahoo Group (possibly also on their website).
NUTS!, aside from needing the cavalry rules in the download, is perfect for what you propose. I don't think you would need to change a thing, as long as you have your own army lists in mind.
JonnyQuest
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Doctor Merkury say ´´Couple months for the SCW Supplement as for BoB, they do have a Chinese Warlord List and Chinese Guerilla list in their Pacific Theater Supplement "Red Sun, Red Death". They do have a free pdf supplement for the Rif War 1921-27 Morocco which could be tweaked for Central Asian forces.´´
so my question is there also ww1 vehicles includet in "Red Sun, Red Death" and can you tell me which years are covert with the Chinese Warlord List and Chinese Guerilla list ,are there cavalry in the rules ?
And are there interesting usable rules ,army lists in Futile Gallantry ß
Thanks Grimm
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I would recommend "Arc of Fire" WW2 rules. They are similar in some ways to TSATF, but handle more advanced weapons and a few tanks. They are good for battles involving a company to a battalion on each side. I wouldn't recommend them for fighting regiment or division sized battles.
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Hi Grimm,
If you have the Rif War Pdf:
http://www.ironivangames.com/rifwar.pdf
This has stats for the WW1 era CA-1 Schneider and the FT-17 Variants as well as a few Armored cars of French and Spanish origin. It has lists for the various Harkas (warbands) of Morocco that you could easily use for Ngoloks or Monghols. As fo Bolsheviks and White Russians you could treat them as a Spanish force. If you are looking at doing armored trains, try treating each car as a seperate tank.
Using the Red Sun Red Death Supplement you can find some starting points for Chinese forces, many of the weapons would be the same.
In genereal the Rif War pdf will give you the information for the Inter War period in general and I believew has the rules for cavalry (even Camels) though you will still need their WW2 rulebook to play. Be sure to use the optional leader wounding rule present in the new rules because this will outline the major difference between irregular armies morales versus formal armies with a set NCO structure. Also weapons that cause Morale tests will be tools of formal armies for throwing back "hordes" of irregulars.
I game the Rif War using these rules and true be told I coauthored them :). I find the Disposable Heroes rules to be a very good set for this period and fast too. We can get through a game of say 100 or more figs on the table in under 3hrs with excellent results, including airstrikes.
My advice would be give it a try and any questions fire an email off to me, it's located within the Rif war pdf.
Cheers,
Doc
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Thanks Doctor Merkury :)
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Thanks everybofy for the input. I guess I will have to try all this.
Is there a store in Europe stocking Disposable Heroes ?
How does Arc of Fire compare to Disposable Heroes ? Same scale same complexity ?
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Thanks everybofy for the input. I guess I will have to try all this.
Is there a store in Europe stocking Disposable Heroes ?
In Germany, you can buy it at Battlefield Berlin (http://www.battlefield-berlin.de)or Worean (http://www.worean.eu). In the UK NorthStar is always worth a try.
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Hi,
I find it really frustrating.....I've had a copy of Contemptible Little armies pretty much since it came out - and I have NEVER been able to persuade anyone to give me a game using them.
Oh well, such is life here in Despair.
Anyway, while my local club can't be persuaded to actually play BoB, we do skirt around the edges some. And we do play a fair amount of 20th Century games in 28mm of one type or another.
We have tried all manner of rulesets but have settled on a couple as we now all know them so it makes games easy to play.
For smaller sized games we tend to use Chain Reaction 2 (although the sci-fi geeks in the club are slowly edging us towards 2150)
And for larger games we use, believe it or not, the Operation Overlord rules from Italieri. OK, so these were designed for 1/72nd sized, WW2, plastic models, but with very little in the way of modifiers they will play out for any 20th century game.
They lack flavour, but this can be allowed for by either using modifiers, extra cards or simply restricting the use of others cards.
Just to see what would happen, one night we played a full blown WW1 attack on a trench line as a multi-player. The rules didn't get in the way of a good game although, to make the whole thing last more than three turns we had to start re-cycling the attacking units as they were just dying too quickly.
But once the attackers got up to the trenches it became a different game altogether and the good old British eventually won the day.
Squint.
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I will Second Arc of Fire a good set of rules :)
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J'ai ce qu'il te faut. Ca s'appel escarmouche, je t'envois la version non corrigée. T'auras plus qu'à la tester :mrgreen:
I've got what you need. It's ESCARMOUCHE. I send you the beta version. You must test it :mrgreen:
Stéphane
Could I have a go at that, too... Please?
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What do you find is unsatisfactory with Contemptible Little Armies+BoB (sic)?
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What do you find is unsatisfactory with Contemptible Little Armies+BoB (sic)?
It's mostly my mates who don't like it. They are more accustomed to pure skirmish game sets. We would like to use detailed scenery (houses with removeable roofs, ...) and fewer minis.
But I am going to give it a try for the eastern front, my Russians against Poulppy's Germans. :)
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Disposable Heroes has a WW1 version, I'm not familiar with DH but I think I will buy Price of Glory. The emphasis seems to be on small units so not a lot of miniatures will be neccesary.
http://theminiaturespage.com/news/872218/
DJ
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Anyone have any house rules/modifications to CLA/BoB they would like to share?
I like the rules generally, but the move OR fire/throw bombs thing gets a little to "gamey" for me. Having to get within 4" with SMG or 2" with bombs and then sit halted for a turn means those units never survive. I'd rather just roll the defending units Tactical factor to see if it can defensive fire and allowing marching fire. I'd also add another D6 to movement for running, but then the unit cannot fire.
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I've been using Red Actions from The Perfect Captain (available to download). There are stats for the Russian Civil War and the interventions. It is pretty easy to come up with stats for any other units you'd like to use.
It is intended for 15mm figures, but I am finding it fine for 28mm. I base 3 figures on a 60mm wide base (round bases as a personal preference). Units are composed of 3-6 bases, but you could adapt this to single figures or other base sizes
The rules give a quick and fun game.
cheers
Steve
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I got Price of Glory recently and have just skipped thought the rules. The infantry rules are more or less the same as the WW2 rules with some additions like more detailed trench rules and razor wire. The vehicles rules are also simillar to the WW2 rules but work without acquisition.
The force list are very general and simple but allow for more variations for different close and ranged combat specialists.
Thus the rules will work for around 30-50 figs a side.
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Finally I chose... 5150. This is the sci-fi version of NUTS ! and Chain Reaction. 5150 because I also have Star Wars, Future Wars and Gangsters minis for occasional games and my small brain can't afford to learn one different ruleset for each :freak:
We played our first game yesterday, 4 players, about 30 minis on each side, fighting for a village where bolshevik partisans had set up an advanced position, and we loved it. :love:
Whole new, realistic and funny !
We intend to play gangsters on Saturday :)
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Once you remove the sci-fi weapons from 5150 and use just the lo-tech stuff, you basically have a refined version of Chain Reaction 2.0 so I'm not totally surprised that it works.
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Is there any stockist of Price of Glory in Europe ?
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Is there any stockist of Price of Glory in Europe ?
http://www.battlefield-berlin.de/shop/index.php?list=WG541
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Thanks ! Order sent !
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Did anyone try out LOTOW? Would'nt that work?
I was thinking of using Indians for Afghans, US Army for British etc...
it seems to me that the rules are not so special that they can't be used?
What do you think?
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Help is on the way !!!!
When everything works fine Grenadier Christian and me will publish our Ruleset
Triumph and Tragedy
Tales of Adventure and Fate
at the latest until Crisis. The Ruleset is especially designed for that Period and it is in English.
We will keep you all informed in this FORUM !!!
Cheers
Björn
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Okay, I am officially intrigued. I'm looking forward to seeing what you and Chris have come up with.
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Houston, the beans have been spilled! I repeat, spilled!
Well, we´re currently finalising content and working on the layout. I´m rather happy with what it worked out to and hope to get the graphic components (templates and refcards) up on par.
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There's entirely too much talent floating around this forum. Massive projects are undertaken and completed. Books are read and written at a furious pace.
It's wonderful. :love:
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any clues on the scale and basic system for these rules? I'm liking the thought of PoG for this period, but dedicated rules would be even better :p
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We´re aiming at 28mm, but I don´t see why you couldn´t use it for 15 or 20mm. Of course, 28s are the nicest minis around... X-D I cannot say more without approval by Drizzie first...
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Hello Mr. Smith,
as Chris said, we designed the rules for 28 mm but you can easily adopt the rules in any other scale, although I recommend 28 mm.
Concerning the basic systhem I can say that we use d10 and d6. We have unit sizes from 5 to 10 for regular or up to 16 for "irregulars"
We have a troop quality that varies from Raw to Elite.
Our initiative systhem is pretty new I guess and doesnt work the static I go you go way. It is easy, fast and exciting.
We have Leaders and Heroes and we have a skill systhem, rules for Vehicles and heavy weaponry.
Hope that helped a little.
Cheers
Björn
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thanks for the info, Björn - I shall have to pick up a copy once it gets released - sound pretty damn good! :)
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Bjorn,
Any more info on these rules you are developing? Like many on this form I too am interested. One can never have too many sets of rules.
Thanks
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Hi Spooner,
yes, we are nearly finnished. We finally found a cover.
We have some little work left on scenario design and a little fine tuning with close combat and morale rules
At the moment Iam very busy with work but I hope I can open a thread in two weeks to introduce the rules.
Thanks for your interest .
Cheers
Björn
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At the moment Iam very busy with work but I hope I can open a thread in two weeks to introduce the rules.
Countdown - 13 days left. Eagerly waiting. :D
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Hi,
in case you guys missed the new topic I posted today. Here is the link :
http://forum.backofbeyond.de/viewtopic.php?t=2346
Cheers
Björn
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I have played a few games with Price of Glory now and I LOVE it too. Very quick, very simple, very realistic. It is a different scale than THW games, and you can easily play 50+ minis a side.
In case anyone is interested I have a few quick lists for RCW in the Far East here (http://psilete.free.fr/?/Ungernmania/Listes-Ungernmania-pour-Price-of-Glory).
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Yep, its me again! Has anyone considered 'Triumph of the Will' by Too Fat Lardies? This is not so much a skirmish set as for larger actions but will cater for smaller clashes...