What's that red droid? I want one!
And no Luke Skywalker!
Have you noticed the official poster? It seems to have a certain big metal planet in the background( or something that looks similar)
True rumours going wild atm. He is only a force spirit now, he is the bad guy etc etc
True rumours going wild atm. He is only a force spirit now, he is the bad guy etc etc
Ohhhh! I'm trying not to get excited!!!.........but it's not working!
Have you noticed the official poster? It seems to have a certain big metal planet in the background( or something that looks similar)
That's not a planet! That's a space station! :o
If I was allowed to voice one concern, the trailer feels very "heavy" and bombastic.
Is it me or does that look like Darth Vader with a silver helmet in the foreground of the bottom photo!
I mean, a classic story that entertains fans of all ages is no doubt a tricky thing to craft, so I hope they don't just take the easy way out and sell toys to the current generation of 5 to 10 year-olds.
But all I'm saying is that the trailer felt a bit heavy on the "epic" and light on the "high adventure". I don't want to make too big a ruckus about it.
I though EU was out completely?
cheers
James
The planet isn't a death star (moon sized weapon) so much as a weapons system built INTO a planet. No pesky thermal exhaust port to worry about, or central reactor.
The shot of the girl crying/angry over a body, one question, is that Luke laying there? not the best screen cap. Could this be the Ben Kenobi momentThere's a very persistent rumor that's Chewbacca :'(.
There's a very persistent rumor that's Chewbacca :'(.
There's an even more persistent rumour it is Han Solo who is killed off. Its all over the internet today.... :oWhy not even great old heroes die one day!
To Hell with the rumors, and who give's a womp rat's ass about split ends or what Luke Skywalker will be wearing on the red carpet?! Release the movie already before I go completely barking mad! lolOh yes and amen to that!
Awesome trailer. I found out our department's christmas party is a private screening of this movie the day before it is released in our country! (BTW I work in a IT department) lol
Nice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdAUiyeJMFQ
For those of you approaching the new Star Wars movie from a more cynical ...
Starting to watch it, but ...
Getting better by each trailer!I Hope it will be as good as expected in the Full Version. The Trailers Are very good.
...BTW am I the only one who missed the Fox fanfare at the start?Damn, now that you mention it! I missed it too.
BTW am I the only one who missed the Fox fanfare at the start?Every time I hear the Fox fanfare I am vaguely disappointed when the Star Wars music doesn't follow. I saw Star Wars when I was 5 and imprinted on it like a baby bird on whatever it sees first.
so has anyone shed a tear yet? Or is it not that amazing?And I am now a thoroughly happy child of 5 again for at least the next few hours. There were several times in the film - starting with the opening Star Wars logo and blare of music - when there definitely was something in my eye.
so has anyone shed a tear yet? Or is it not that amazing?
so has anyone shed a tear yet? Or is it not that amazing?Eyes misted up in the opening crawl and never really recovered, but I'm a nostalgic and sentimental old sap. :)
I am getting a bit soft in my dotage. There are entire genres I cant watch anymore cus they make me too sad or upset. Thank god there is still Rom com, light fluffy and nothing upsetting other than the premise for the entire genre. (which I can deal with.)
yep, Eyes misted up when the theme started and that familiar openingcrawl came on screen, and also with the Chewie where home moment with Han, even though that was in the trailer :D
Am I allowed to share the two things I didn't like? They aren't really spoilers...
Wow, have you considered changing your name?Strong men also cry. Strong men... also cry.
The red lightsaber effects and red lasers look very angry now. Tats a very nice touch to the art direction, and captures the vibe of the dark side more rather than blue vs red blades.
Saw it yesterday...what a pile of crap!
So bad that I am going to see it again tomorrow.
;)
This movie reminded me why I loved Star Wars in the first place.
Wonderfully entertaining.
Can't wait until we can discuss it more, without ruining it for others!
Hurry up and see it everyone!
Possible Spiler ahead!!!
Who was the guy played by Max von Sydow? Did I miss something completely?
just got back and I am not happy
This was not the movie I had hoped for. Unlike Mad Max's reboot this one left me damm cold and underwhelmed.
God I wish they had hit the brakes at Jedi and gone and did something else with their creativity.
I expect to be nuked from orbit for voicing my honest opinion but such is life.
Of course I will still say go and see it because everyone else on the planet will, I dont begrudge anyone that.
when we can discuss it without screwing it up for someone else then I will clearly state my case regarding its full of fail state.Oh my, so much Dark Side energy... ::) ;) ;)
I am giving up on star wars and declaring the Scurvellian protocols in effect where every movie post Jedi never fucking happened in my personal SW universe. I'm sick of people pissing over my childhood memories of something special in order to make more money.
I liked the heroes but the villains sucked.
The plot isn't that bad but the main villain is tacky and the new actors are fucking awful. Jesus, I know they wanted new blood but they could've got new blood with some sort of talent.
Another for the didn't like it crowd here. Neither I nor the wife are fans. There was a little I liked, but far more I disliked.
characterization suffered immensely
the villains were interesting but hilariously ineffectual
everything was suborned to fanservice
and there were way way way WAY too many convenient coincidences. Anytime the plot needed anything to happen, it just happened. It was incredibly lazy storytelling. It was bad storytelling.
I should mention although I didn't think it was great my kids loved it and have been playing Star Wars constantly since seeing it.
Loved it.
Hated Fury Road.
....Heck, to me it was what I want from Star Wars.
I think if you remove the nostalgia glasses it comes off very poorly.
Hey Zaheer - you're making Force Awakens scenery now! ;)
I would assume Disney has some kind of staff who at least look at continuity, but if they're the same people or if their roles are as substantial or comprehensive as what Lucasfilm had, well, I have no idea.
I like Finn, though I don't think the character makes any sense at all. The idea that Stormtroopers would be assigned sanitation jobs makes no sense to me, and absolutely nothing about Finn's behavior at any point in the film suggests this a guy who has been raised in a fanatical military order since birth. I thought the actor was great, I like that they let him have human flaws, but it felt like the whole Stormtrooper background was tacked on to justify later elements of the plot.
And that is The Force Awakens in a nutshell. A never ending series of scenes that ask us to recall better scenes in the original trilogy.
...Then we have the film's villain, Rey. ... I think the most offensive suggestion of the entire film is that somehow she inherits the Falcon after knowing Han Solo for like two days. Over Chewie. This is anti-Wookie discrimination of the highest order.Where and when in the movie is she inheriting the Falcon??? Is it really suggested?
Just one example:Where and when in the movie is she inheriting the Falcon??? Is it really suggested?
Just saw it. Liked it. Thought Daisy Ridley acted the socks off the rest of them. Some very nice cinematic moments. Yes, a lot like the original Star Wars in many ways. But overall, different enough yet familiar enough to be enjoyable on its own terms, and as a worthy if somewhat belated follow up to the original trilogy. Looking forward to the extended edition ;)
I note unlike the films detractors who have clearly stated why it sucked on many levels you have not stated why it is a good film other than you like movies most people dont.
This has nothing to do with the quality of the film and everything to do with your intestinal fortitude... ...Luckily I dont think he has seen blade runner so I might be able to get away with watching the directors cut of that GOOD sci fi film instead of this lump of poorly made crud we are discussing.
I think you guys take this movie way too seriously, it's a 12 rated film in the uk, switch adult mode off and get back to when you first watched the other films, if you watched this back then you would love it. It's a fairytale in space.
I always find it funny when I hear people argue stuff like, "It's just Star Wars, you shouldn't expect clever plot lines."
Yup! I'm partly in Scurv's frame of mind - I'd like to see more reasons why it was good, not scoldings to ignore that it was mediocre.
3. The new Stormtroopers seemed to have awfully big heads for their bodies. I don't remember them being that bad in the originals!
Not so keen on the new Stormie look myself.
Those helmets keep making me think of an old fashioned and exaggerated moustache, Poirot-style.
;)
I like the books, good translation for us in germany. Even good material for the SWRPG. But years ago Lucas said, this won't be the next parts. So, not unexpected, but sad.
1. The story was too much of a re-hash of the originals. I agree with Chris, the Admiral Thrawn book trilogy would have been a good way forward instead.
Basically, Finn is the new trilogy's Jar Jar.
- As others have mentioned, the fact Finn seems like he was press ganged rather than raised as an indoctrinated member of the First Order is a huge plot hole. He could've just been a guy from
TattooineJakku and not had the whole inconsistency and moral problems associated with the fact they blew up a PLANET with god knows how many innocents on it.
I did like the music in the newmos eisleycantina. I also accept it was better music for a hive of the galaxies scum and villainy than 'do da do da do dado...' which is not exactly dead hard in any ones language.
I liked the music too, but I dont get that music has to be in any particular style to be 'hard'.
Hannibal Lecter had a thing for chamber music and I dont think anyone could accuse him of being 'soft'.
Maybe the cantina patrons were just 'chilling out'...?
;)
Hux was alright but seems like a small boy trying to wear big boy pants. They needed someone with more gravitas for that role, a Tarkin to scowl disapprovingly about his younger charge's infantile tantrums.
I think Kylo Ren was an interesting character - having the Dark Side villain remind you of twits who ragepost on the internet was a pretty neat idea.
Snokes [...] then it turns out that no, he's just regular human-sized.
The safe option was taken as there was a lot of pressure from people like us. I look forward to the next episode.
Snokes has a silly name and even looks rather silly. The one cool thing about him was when you thought he was an actual giant (which would have been a cool Star Wars alien-y twist), but then it turns out that no, he's just regular human-sized.
"you know what they would just not expect again, a deathstar"
"OH EM GEE! You're a genius Arthur, it's the last thing they'd think we'd do. We are so doing this!"
Luke had an just an hour of training with a lightsaber in A New Hope.
Compare that to Rey, who in her backstory had 10 years of living on her own in harsh conditions, learning to fight with a staff, building strength and stamina searching for junk parts to trade for food, flight/pilot training on a X-wing flight simulators, and just surviving on Jakku.
This is, of course, ridiculously unrealistic.
Weeeelllll, faster than light travel? Light sabers? Planets shooting other planets? "an energy field created by all living things"? lol
This is, of course, ridiculously unrealistic. An orphaned girl abandoned to fend herself on a backwater planet would not develop any of these skills. She would probably die, and if she didn't die she would be weak, malnourished, and be grossly undereducated compared to the galactic average.
I mean seriously, grow grab a child who grew up in the slums of India, earning their living picking through garbage piles. You think they're going to be more badass for their rough upbringing? Of course not.
Star Wars is a JOKE. It's always been a giant joke. Great fun, thrilling, with lots of tongue in cheek humour and moments of high melodrama - but basically one big jokey adventure. It's got dancing alien teddy bears for God's sake.
This! And that's a reason why I could never bring myself to hate the Ewoks - I saw RotJ when I was 8, it was my first Star Wars movie and I loved everything about it; I even built an Ewok village out of old logs. Why should I go back and hate it now?
We did not have real wood where I grew up...... :'(
;)
The line they were playing it safe for the first one and that is ok, is really the one that sticks in my craw. No it is not ok to make boring safe cinema to guard the profit margin. It is such a cop out to quality that to accept it is to invite an era of blandness into cinema the likes of which has never been seen before.
I didn't think it was boring. I wasn't looking for a life changing experience, just a bit of Star Wars based fun with a dose of childhood nostalgia thrown in.
You quite obviously were not demanding enough.
Now get back to the cinema immediately and watch it again with much higher expectations!
>:D
Bloody hippies......
lol which is exactly why it is totally awful, always will be and this franchise is over man. Safe is boring tired and mundane and a safe movie has never ever received any critical acclaim or accolades.
Well isn't this a thread full of the same old mopey gripe-mongers... ;D :-* o_o
I love A New Hope and Empire, I cherish Jedi as it's the first SW movie I saw in the cinema but it's kind of crappy albeit fun romp. The prequels are horrible, but I don't hate them. They're just unwatchable. Ugh. Also, no idea how it factors in but it seems to be important to say... so, I loved Fury Road and thought it was a great piece of art, I hated Prometheus and though it was a waste of time. Completely unrelated to this discussion though. :D
First of all... About Rey
We know nothing about her. It's obvious there's more to her than being an orphan kid on a desert planet learning the ways of the force in 10 minutes. We will get an explanation to it in the next film, I'm sure. Rey had training. She's been flashed by Agents Kay and Jay of the MIB. There's no way in hell the SW canon of jedi training is just chucked out the window. On the other hand, it's way cooler to have this insta-force than the fucking Jedi Hogwarts of the prequels!
And then the rest of the movie...
I loved it. In my opinion it's a better film than Jedi. The plot is wafer thin, but the characters and their interaction is great. I loved Finn (but he makes no sense as a renegade trooper, I fully agree with previous comments on that) and Rey both, they had great chemistry and just the right amount of bickering between them to feel like proper Star Wars. Nothing of the old forced (no pun intended) exchanges between Obi-Wan and Anakin in Clones and Sith. BB-8 was cool, Poe Dameron was OK but felt a little superflous in this film.
Yes, there are too many callbacks to the old films. Apparently it's a JJ thing. I don't know his work well enough to judge him. I see a lot of folks whining about him being a hack etc etc. While I don't think he's the opposite, I think it's a bit harsh to bash him for this film. I was surprised at how well it harkened back to the old days. Physical sets, no more stupid green screens. Yes, ship fights are CGI. So what? It's what CGI is for. At least they didn't just pour as many ships as humanly possible on the screen as in the prequels.
Regarding the First Order and their relation to the Resistance and the Republic... According to the wookieepedia it goes a little something like this: The empire is smashed, the new republic is formed by the rebel alliance (post Endor). The imperial remnants are eventually dealt with and the remains skedaddle off to the "Unknown Regions" (heh). With the galaxy at peace, the new republic (ie old rebels) start to demilitarize and according to some (Leia & co) grow lax. As such, a military resistance is formed. They're a privately funded initiative but they are also supported by the republic. All the while, in the Unknown Regions the first order go about their business and create super weapons for the resistance to resist. It's all a bit shoddy to be honest, that part of the story is ridiculous.
I see the First Order as a bunch of fanboys and that's what the makers intended to. An isolated enclave of ex-nazis in Argentina or the dark side of the moon who 30 years later show up and try to finish what "good old" Adolf started. It's the same thing here, with Kylo Ren being the ultimate fanboy. He doesn't even need to wear a fucking mask and still does. One that is home made and kind of looks crap! He's not supposed to be bad-ass, he's supposed to be a pathetic neo-Imperial with his little shrine to Vader and all. He wants to be as bad as gramps, but can't quite cut it. He wants to be bad so bad that he whines about the light side tugging at him. He's like a mirrored image of his grand father. I love him and thought it very risky and bold to have such a character in Star Wars.
There were so many good, redeeming factors that I'll forgive Abrams for making us think that Han Solo never in 40+ years of companionship with Chewie ever tried his bowcaster until now. Meh. A lot of other annoying little things, like Han and Leia never talking about "Ben" but "our son" (so us paltry movie goers would understand who they're talking about), or the jokes being highlighted to death at times and every bloody coincidence happening all at the same time... but then again, the force works in mysterious ways. ;)
It also felt like the movie suffered a lot from being heavily edited for running time in the 11th hour (which I think also happened).
So, I'll leave it at that. I enjoyed it immensely. Plenty of silly things, but many lovely moments too. I look forward to Rogue One next year and I look even more forward to Ep VIII the year after that.
Weeeelllll, faster than light travel? Light sabers? Planets shooting other planets? "an energy field created by all living things"? lol
Children are real, and we know what happens to children when they are abandoned and left to fend for themselves in hostile environments. They don't thrive, they don't become super-badasses. They die or turn to crime, prostitution, etc. Maybe they develop some odd skills like pickpocketing or street smarts, but starship mechanics and piloting? Come on.
It's the same problem that Finn has. We know enough about human psychology to know that a child raised in a fascist military order is going to have a lot of psychological problems -- problems Finn shows zero signs of. Finn comes across as the kind of guy who was raised by a nice family.
You might as well rage against Peter Pan on the basis that real children don't fly...
You may as well tell me Santa Claus is just the product of some fizzy drinks company next.. ;) lol
It's a FANTASY. A light confection of a fantastical jokey adventure. People love it - and Harry Potter, and the Hobbit, and all the rest - precisely because it's silly, enthralling, escapist make believe. Why are you intent on trying to conflate a piece of comic book nonsense with real world issues and concerns? You might as well rage against Peter Pan on the basis that real children don't fly...
You might as well rage against Peter Pan on the basis that real children don't fly...
Look into my eyes... you love Star Wars... it's plot inconsistencies don't matter... you love the way Finn acts... you want to by the 1/6th scale fully articulated action figure with spare hands and a range of weapons...
The film was OK, nothing to write home about but definitely watchable :)