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Miniatures Adventure => VSF Adventures => Topic started by: Dewbakuk on November 21, 2008, 09:00:42 AM
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Okay, I know Redoubt tend to be big, but how big? I've just discovered their ACW range and the potential with conversions is enourmous, particularly as the heads are already seperate!
Also, does anyone know of anywhere you can see the different heads? They aren't shown on the site.
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Usefully I found this
http://www.stipsicz-hussars.be/blogpics/perryacw.jpg
Which is good news as it means the Redoubt stuff should be fine. I have some Perry plastics and they are a little smaller and slighter than most of my stuff.
Question on heads still stands though :)
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The ACW range is great, so much potential and as you say the separate heads is a huge bonus. I think they are probably their best range they produce, the sculptsa re amongst their finest.
They are chunky, but not overly tall. If I remember correctly thier VSF and Zulu ranges are taller and the Three Musketeers even taller.
I am sure I have seen a comparison chart over on TMP, maybe worth a visit there. I think they will be taller than old Foundry and Dixon, but not as tall as Renegade.
If I was ever going to do ACW It would be Redoubt.
what do you want to know about the heads?
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Thanks Malamute, the link I put in my above post came from TMP. Just realised the pic doesn't have manufacturers on it though. The far right one is Redoubt.
For the heads, I'd like to know what the different hats actually look like. For example, there are three different types of slouch hat listed but one persons view of a slouch hat isn't always the same as anothers.
Just to cheer you up, the first use of these will be as the basis for a couple of Prussian Assault Jager units.
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For the heads, I'd like to know what the different hats actually look like. For example, there are three different types of slouch hat listed but one persons view of a slouch hat isn't always the same as anothers.
Just to cheer you up, the first use of these will be as the basis for a couple of Prussian Assault Jager units.
Sounds like an intersting idea.
Ok, I understand now what you mean about the heads. There used to be pretty good line drawings of the figures and heads, but since they have started to add photos they have removed them. :?
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I was going to ask a similar question about the Sudan and Zulu ranges.
Given that those Thunderchickens I posted a link to already have saddles, I would just need riders to create a squadron of Her Imperial Majesty's First Venusian Mounted Scout Brigade, and Redoubt seem to be the only place I could get riders of the right period wthout ending up with a bunch of spare horses.
The Thunderchickens look quite large as they are shown with GW riders on the site, so I'm guessing Redoubt would be in scale, but there are no pictures of most of the models I'm interested in (mainly the natal colonial police, boers and such).
So essentially, has anyone seen them, can they give me a good recommendation, or suggest alternatives.
Malamute, I'm looking at you, really.... ???
EDIT: Actually, the Sudan British cavalry do have pics up, and they seem to be wearing goggles on their helmets, so they might do. I did fancy something a bit more irregular looking though.
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Strangely enough I was talking about Redoubt heads on Forthers. I tend to fine they are over pressed in the mold or certainly give that impression being pinched in some cases. That was their ECW range which is as good as the ACW.
I had some of their ACW gun crews for use as Staats Artilerie a while back and they are nice,
Are you mixing these with Foundry Dewbak ? as you will notice the difference IIRC
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I was going to ask a similar question about the Sudan and Zulu ranges.
Given that those Thunderchickens I posted a link to already have saddles, I would just need riders to create a squadron of Her Imperial Majesty's First Venusian Mounted Scout Brigade, and Redoubt seem to be the only place I could get riders of the right period wthout ending up with a bunch of spare horses.
The Thunderchickens look quite large as they are shown with GW riders on the site, so I'm guessing Redoubt would be in scale, but there are no pictures of most of the models I'm interested in (mainly the natal colonial police, boers and such).
So essentially, has anyone seen them, can they give me a good recommendation, or suggest alternatives.
Malamute, I'm looking at you, really.... ???
Ooh the responsibility....
I have a fair size collection of the Zulu Wars stuff and I like them.
They are older sculpts (from early 1990s) so they are not comparable in detail to todays standards.
Be warned if you buy any as you may need to do some cleaning up on any figures as a recent order of mine showed the moulds are deteriorating as there was loads of flash, etc on the castings.
They have a certain charm to them and do paint up well. But they are tall, so noticeably bigger than alot of other figures.
I would suggest the NMP/NC figure as he is wearing a spiked helmet and carrying a Martini Henry carbine held with the butt on his hip. the dismounted poses are excellent as well so you can do your unit on foot as well.
The mounted officer figure is generic wearing a blue patrol jacket and bare head, so you will need to head swap him with a troopers head if you want your officer with a helmet. He is armed with a raised revolver. Here he is with a suitable head swap.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/1/86_23_10_08_1_03_34_3.jpg)
The boers are bearded wearing civilian kit and have the broad brimmed slouch hat.
My only other suggestion would be the Perry's Sudan mounted Hussars, they are lovely and have a spiked helmet, they are separate castings, but you have to buy each pack including the horses.
Redoubt figures can be purchased separately which is bonus. If you want me to photograph a couple of the Redoubt NMP or boer figures I can do so on sunday for you?
Anything else you want to know let me know.
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Thanks very much, more than helpful as usual. :)
After editing my above post, I'm not sure whether to go for irregulars or uniformed dragoon types now.
Ah, well, this will be a project for the new year, so I needn't make a decision yet, but if you do have photos of the different figures, that would really be a help.
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Thanks very much, more than helpful as usual. :)
After editing my above post, I'm not sure whether to go for irregulars or uniformed dragoon types now.
Ah, well, this will be a project for the new year, so I needn't make a decision yet, but if you do have photos of the different figures, that would really be a help.
I'll take a couple of pics of the NMP and the Boers for you. I saw your comment about the irregular uniform look. the boer is a nice figure too with Martini Henry rifle slungon his shoulder. There is a Boer officer too shoutiing wearing a pistol in a shoulder holster.
Another suggestion is Black Tree Designs Zulu Wars range they have mounted Boers in different poses and some 17th Lancers, but I think again you will end up with separate horses as well as they don't sell them separately. I have heard lots of discontent about ordering from them, though I have never had a problem.
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Thanks again.
Yeah, I'm a bit wary of BTD at the moment. A couple of folks on Frothers (and here, actually) have been waiting for parts of their orders for months. Might be sorted out now, or at least I'll bear them in mind when I come to order the bits in the new year.
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I side question which arouse while reading the posts:
I am not familiar with British uniforms of the era, so:
Malamute, do you think that Perry's Hussars with spiked helmet, can be used for Home Service hussars and draggons?
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Speaking about service...
I just ordered some Victorian Brits from Redoubt. (OH NO! I'm falling into the VSF abyss!) When I did so, I got an email stating that my order was pending. I think it was pending because I live in Spain and they need to figure out how much it costs to ship.
Anyway... are Redoubt pretty good at shipping things off?
Sorry for going OT...
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I side question which arouse while reading the posts:
I am not familiar with British uniforms of the era, so:
Malamute, do you think that Perry's Hussars with spiked helmet, can be used for Home Service hussars and draggons?
Techincally no as the helmet is not quite the same as a home service one. It has the distinctive Puggaree on it for starters, but paint the helmet blue and the tunic red and you could get away with it.
Remember its VSF so anything goes! :)
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Speaking about service...
I just ordered some Victorian Brits from Redoubt. (OH NO! I'm falling into the VSF abyss!) When I did so, I got an email stating that my order was pending. I think it was pending because I live in Spain and they need to figure out how much it costs to ship.
Anyway... are Redoubt pretty good at shipping things off?
Sorry for going OT...
I have never had any issues with ordering from Redoubt. Always promptly dealt with, figures arriving within a week, but I always place my order by phone... You might want to make an international call just to confirm though.
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Thanks mate, will do.
BTW, I was looking for VSFish cavalry and thought that the Foundry Crimean Range (http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/CRIMEA/13/index.asp) was probably a pretty good fit for home service. For Prussian cavalry, Foundry's Franco-Prussian range seems serviceable.
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Speaking about service...
I just ordered some Victorian Brits from Redoubt. (OH NO! I'm falling into the VSF abyss!)
Good man! Carry on lol
When I did so, I got an email stating that my order was pending. I think it was pending because I live in Spain and they need to figure out how much it costs to ship.
Anyway... are Redoubt pretty good at shipping things off?
Sorry for going OT...
I've also had nothing but excellent service from them, both by post and at shows.
BTW, Crimean Hussars and 17th Lancers would work admirably. The Heavy Dragoons etc would probably be ok, but might need a head-swap, although as it's VSF..... ;)
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Speaking about service...
I just ordered some Victorian Brits from Redoubt. (OH NO! I'm falling into the VSF abyss!)
Good man! Carry on lol
When I did so, I got an email stating that my order was pending. I think it was pending because I live in Spain and they need to figure out how much it costs to ship.
Anyway... are Redoubt pretty good at shipping things off?
Sorry for going OT...
I've also had nothing but excellent service from them, both by post and at shows.
BTW, Crimean Hussars and 17th Lancers would work admirably. The Heavy Dragoons etc would probably be ok, but might need a head-swap, although as it's VSF..... ;)
Be careful about the Foundry Crimea and FPW figures as they are small in comparison to most current ranges, being true 25mm. They will come up very short next to Redoubt figures. It doesn't bother me as I freely use all sorts of stuff. My Prussians are mostly Foundry and I have Redoubt Brits. But some are put off by scale differences.
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Ahh...
Thanks Malamute, haven't gotten my hands on any Redoubt figures... yet, so thanks for the heads up.
As for Redoubt, do you think they will sell you the heads alone? Thinking here about using their home service helmets and mounting them on other mini's.
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I think that the ACW range from Redoubt is indeed one of the best around. Not only they produce the basic troop types but they also do all kind of extra (Navy figures, camp scene, etc.) that being said, there’s a few things that bother me a little in the range. Personally I don’t really like their horses. I also found that the artillery pieces are too big (I found the wheels are too thick) and some of the heads I received were miscast (the mould were obliviously not well aligned). Don’t get me wrong, I really love this range of figures and I would probably have bought a lot more if I had the money. It’s just that those little things I talked about earlier means more work and adaptation.
As for the service it’s quite good but it was a little slow. They don’t seem to make a priority to answer to e-mail either. That’s just my experience, the order I made was complete none the less.
You can see some photos of my Redoubt ACW on this tread; http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=7675.0
Sizewise, I think they will fit well with Perry’s even if they are a tad bigger and less thin… as for pictures of the heads, I really don’t recall having seen any on the web. ;)
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Ahh...
Thanks Malamute, haven't gotten my hands on any Redoubt figures... yet, so thanks for the heads up.
As for Redoubt, do you think they will sell you the heads alone? Thinking here about using their home service helmets and mounting them on other mini's.
Sadly they (The VSF range) are one piece castings, so the heads are not separate. Its only the ACW and Three musketeers that come with a choice of heads.
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Are you mixing these with Foundry Dewbak ?
No, thankfully. They'll be fielded with my Warrior Mini's Prussians (Germans). If I like them though I may use some for my Venusian militia too, although they'll be mounted on dinosaurs though, not those silly death-chickens :P
as for pictures of the heads, I really don’t recall having seen any on the web.
That's the conclusion I'm coming to. Well, when some pennies arrive in my bank account next week, I think I'll place an order for the bodies I want to make the Jager out of. They come in packs of six which is annoying when making units of ten, but as I won't be using any of the heads for them, I'll get a selection of different ones to have a look.
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...I may use some for my Venusian militia too, although they'll be mounted on dinosaurs though, not those silly death-chickens :P
Sounds like a challenge. ;)
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Given that those Thunderchickens I posted a link to already have saddles, I would just need riders to create a squadron of Her Imperial Majesty's First Venusian Mounted Scout Brigade, and Redoubt seem to be the only place I could get riders of the right period wthout ending up with a bunch of spare horses.
The Thunderchickens look quite large as they are shown with GW riders on the site, so I'm guessing Redoubt would be in scale, but there are no pictures of most of the models I'm interested in (mainly the natal colonial police, boers and such).
Sooooooooo have I been sculpted and turned into some sort of mule?
Anyway, all this talk of Venusian campaigns has got my head spinning with ideas and my heart sinking at the thought of the cost.
So what sort of campaign ideas do you chaps have in mind?
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Redoubt ACW - Very nice figures, and not nearly as large as their Zulu range. Will probably do just fine against other 28mm lines. When released, they used to run ads with very nice line drawings in Wargames Illustrated. Anyone with a good collection should be able to find drawings of the ones you're interested in. Slouch Hats was it? I'll have a look myself.
Home Service Cavalry - IMHO, HLBS make the best. They are better sculpts than their HS infantry, and cast to order, so I'm sure they would sell you just the riders. In Marching Order, cavalry on home service wouldn't wear a spiked helmet like the infantry. They would wear the appropriate helmet/busby/czapska/etc..., but without the plumes, and in the case of lancers, covered. Of course, all the usual disclaimers apply (it's VSF, it's your game, who's to say it's wrong), but IMHO, the reason for doing home service is to send them out in their parade best!
-Tommy
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Given that those Thunderchickens I posted a link to already have saddles, I would just need riders to create a squadron of Her Imperial Majesty's First Venusian Mounted Scout Brigade, and Redoubt seem to be the only place I could get riders of the right period wthout ending up with a bunch of spare horses.
The Thunderchickens look quite large as they are shown with GW riders on the site, so I'm guessing Redoubt would be in scale, but there are no pictures of most of the models I'm interested in (mainly the natal colonial police, boers and such).
Sooooooooo have I been sculpted and turned into some sort of mule?
lol lol
Yes, you have been immortalised in lead, you even have a nice saddle so you can be ridden hard ;)
Scroll down the page to see the photo...
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=8146.30
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To reply to the original size question, these pictures have Foundry and Redoubt figures mixed on the same bases, can you see which is which?
(http://www.displacedminiatures.com/resize.php?img=/images/38200515544517Union%20Generals%20side.jpg&h=1000&w=1000)
(http://www.displacedminiatures.com/resize.php?img=/images/3820051559377Union%20Generals.jpg&h=1000&w=1000)
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I think I can tell, but the differences certainly wouldn't bother me. Thanks for that Matakishi.
So what sort of campaign ideas do you chaps have in mind?
Well, my Venus campaigns started on the GASLIGHT list about 8-9 years ago, I even played some games based there back then. However it stalled for several years, although the setting has remained rich in my mind. It's back though baby!
Do you really not know it? (I'm willing to place money that were I to describe it, it'd be a very well known setting)
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I think I can tell, but the differences certainly wouldn't bother me. Thanks for that Matakishi.
So what sort of campaign ideas do you chaps have in mind?
Well, my Venus campaigns started on the GASLIGHT list about 8-9 years ago, I even played some games based there back then. However it stalled for several years, although the setting has remained rich in my mind. It's back though baby!
Do you really not know it? (I'm willing to place money that were I to describe it, it'd be a very well known setting)
Oh go on do describe it?
Perhaps we should start some some of campaign here, given that we seem to be arranging to meet up every now and again. It might be quite good fun. What do you think?
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Sorry for the delay on this, had the inlaws visiting.
Okay, the overall setting....
When British explorers first visited Venus, they were struck by its primal beauty. In stark contrast to the desert expanse of Mars’ surface, Venus was covered by an endless rain forest, or so it first appeared. Had that first impression been true then humanities ventures upon its surface would have been short and limited in the extreme, for the jungle floor and swamps of the surface are no place for the frail human body. The air is thick with moisture. The lack of any real breeze means there is no release from the stifling temperature. Sunlight rarely penetrates the canopy directly. There are insects and similar creatures of enormous size just waiting to devour an unwary adventurer. Large creatures closely resembling the dinosaurs of Earth’s past crash or stalk through the trees, crushing or devouring all in their path. Worst of all are the savage Lizardmen that call the jungles their home...
Fortunately, it wasn’t long before explorers discovered a large mesa rising far above the jungle canopy. The climate atop the mesa was far more hospitable, the humidity was lower, it was cooler, there was wind and sunlight and there were far fewer creatures trying to eat them. Even the basic act of breathing was easier. The mesa was large enough to house a small town but far better was the view from the edge. In the distance were many more mesas, some of which were many times the size of the one upon which they stood. Venus was open for colonisation!
A suitable site was found for settlement and during the initial stages of construction a Royal Navy Aeronef was dispatched to survey the nearby mesas. During its survey, the ‘nef crew spotted another aerial craft in the distance. As no other nation had yet claimed to reach Venus, it could only be an indigenous craft. The ‘nef followed the course of the alien craft and discovered a native village atop a large mesa. The village looked nothing like those of the Lizardmen and no-one could entertain the idea of such brutal creatures creating an airship. The ‘nef’s captain ordered the ship to stand off and viewed the village through his telescope. The airship was clearly a trading vessel as cargo was being lain out and displayed to the villagers. The villagers themselves were most certainly not lizardmen, in fact they appeared to be some kind of bird. Realising that contact with a trading species might be better not being initiated by a warship, the captain marked the location and reported back to the fledgling settlement. Contact with the new race was made a priority and a group set off the next day, thus was made initial contact with the Parrotmen of Venus.
I'll sort out some figures for photo's and do some specifics if you want. The Parrotmen of Venus have become something of a phenomenon since their initial conception, which is cool.
A Venus campaign sounds great. We have a bunch of Jungle terrain between us all too. Want me to write up the campaign I had intended?
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I'll sort out some figures for photo's and do some specifics if you want. The Parrotmen of Venus have become something of a phenomenon since their initial conception, which is cool.
A Venus campaign sounds great. We have a bunch of Jungle terrain between us all too. Want me to write up the campaign I had intended?
OOh yes please. I am up for a campaign, if we get enough interest we could take a faction each?
I also have loads of jungle to add to the mix. I am really liking this. Thunderchicken mentioned Venus yesterday and I know he would be interested and I think Bullshott is already building a force.
Over to you old boy. Let us know hat you want us to do? :) ;D
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I'm sure we'd all like to see pics of your Parrotmen and their environment :)
I [like a lot of others] realise the VSF potential of GW's Kroot, so would like to see how you have used them.
I'm always open to stealing.... ahem! .... gaining inspiration from, other peoples ideas and from the first that I read of your Parrotmen, I thought they would be a great addition to my games.
If all of you mentioned in Malamute's message manage to get a Venus campaign going, we will need to see plenty of pics and reports from that too!
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I'm sure we'd all like to see pics of your Parrotmen and their environment
So would I, it'd stop Bullshot nagging me to post them lol I'm just waiting for something to arrive from ebay and then I'll start making a Parrotman village. Which will no doubt annoy my wife due to the space it'll take up in the process.
There are some wip pics on my Flickr page but I've not put anything on there for a while.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28016805@N00/
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I'm sure we'd all like to see pics of your Parrotmen and their environment
So would I, it'd stop Bullshot nagging me to post them lol I'm just waiting for something to arrive from ebay and then I'll start making a Parrotman village. Which will no doubt annoy my wife due to the space it'll take up in the process.
There are some wip pics on my Flickr page but I've not put anything on there for a while.
I'll have a look in the morning.
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Dewbakuk, I love whatyou have done with the Kroot, now you need to crack on and paint them...
Perhaps we should use the 7th feb game as the first game on Venus... What say you all?
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Dewbakuk, I love whatyou have done with the Kroot, now you need to crack on and paint them...
Yes, I agree. I particularly like the weapon conversions. They should look great once finished!
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I thought the 7th Feb game was to attempt to drive the Prussians back from London?
The Parrotmen/Kroot are actually mostly painted already, they were done to a quick gaming standard so just need some washes and highlights to finish them off. They are on my list of things to do in the near future.
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I thought the 7th Feb game was to attempt to drive the Prussians back from London?
The Parrotmen/Kroot are actually mostly painted already, they were done to a quick gaming standard so just need some washes and highlights to finish them off. They are on my list of things to do in the near future.
In all honesty I don't mind what we do on the 7th, London seige or Venus are both good for me ;D
With all the talk about Venus recently I figured it would make a wonderful game, especially on such a large table and with our combined stuff, not too difficult to do. But I really don't mind. :)
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I missed the later posts on this thread wher it went off-topic, but Dewbakuk pointed me back here. All I can say is: Venus - yay!
Here is a rare photograph of men of the Legion Extraterrestriale from the French expeditionaty force early on during their colonisation of the region surrounding Mesa Napoleon:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3044/3075040087_b004b64c58.jpg?v=0)
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I missed the later posts on this thread wher it went off-topic, but Dewbakuk pointed me back here. All I can say is: Venus - yay!
Here is a rare photograph of men of the Legion Extraterrestriale from the French expeditionaty force early on during their colonisation of the region surrounding Mesa Napoleon:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3044/3075040087_b004b64c58.jpg?v=0)
Tres formidable mon amis..... Thats the best I can manage from my schoolboy Francais!
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Ah, I see they are equipped with breathing devices for extended operations in the jungle depths. Excellent stuff!
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Ah, I see they are equipped with breathing devices for extended operations in the jungle depths. Excellent stuff!
The Warrior figures are nice and easy to paint too which is a huge bonus, I might have to pick up a unit or two of these. Mind you have you seen the Parroom Station Frenchies, they are even nicer with a machine gun as well. :)
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Yeah, I've looked at the Parroom French. I'm refusing to do French at the moment though, I have enough other forces in progress!