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Title: Advice on painting Carthaginians
Post by: Phil on December 14, 2015, 11:08:55 AM
Hi,

I am starting to get the figures together for a Carthaginian army and wondered if anybody could recommend a good source for information on painting/colour schemes for the Carthaginian units.

Currently have a box of the Vitrix figures and a few packs of Aventine Miniatures and can't wait to et started.

Phil
Title: Re: Advice on painting Carthaginians
Post by: Mithridates1 on December 14, 2015, 10:02:16 PM
Phil

Like you I am slowly putting a Carthaginian army together - project for 2016.........

I would suggest:

Check out Osprey's publications, they produce a number of books on Carthaginians.   Plenty of colour shots.
Ask Mr Google - enter 'Carthaginian 28mm' and you will see any number of examples of other people's work
Look at the Agema Miniatures (plastic and metal) site - number of very useful examples

Hopefully that will get you started.

Garry
Title: Re: Advice on painting Carthaginians
Post by: cram on December 14, 2015, 10:34:13 PM
The 'Warhammer Ancient Battles Hannibal and The Punic Wars' book should have good info in it. Discontinued now, but still comes up on ebay for around £15.
Title: Re: Advice on painting Carthaginians
Post by: Steve63 on December 14, 2015, 10:50:58 PM
Very little is known about the Cartaginians.  The Romans had a very go at erasing them from history.  I think most people just go for what looks right to them, however there is a contemporary reference that describes the Carthaginian army as a "Ocean of white".  With this in mind I painted mine mostly with white cuirasses and white fields on the shields.
Title: Re: Advice on painting Carthaginians
Post by: Phil on December 15, 2015, 02:34:04 PM
Thanks to all for the very useful comments. I'll try and get some pictures online once I've got a few figures done.

Phil
Title: Re: Advice on painting Carthaginians
Post by: Mithridates1 on December 15, 2015, 10:18:25 PM
Just saw this post on the Forum - may be of some assistance.

http://scarabminiatures.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1937
Title: Re: Advice on painting Carthaginians
Post by: Phil on December 17, 2015, 08:22:29 AM
Hi Mithridates, thanks for the link. I have a couple of Wars of the Roses command stands to finish off and expect to start on the Vitrix figures straight after Xmas.
Title: Re: Advice on painting Carthaginians
Post by: n815e on December 17, 2015, 02:12:04 PM
It's expensive, but Armies of the Macedonian and Punic Wars is a good book.
No color pictures, but good descriptions.
Title: Re: Advice on painting Carthaginians
Post by: HerbyF on December 20, 2015, 09:50:34 AM
Well the Carthaginian army is a pretty mixed lot. A lot of mercenaries & allies. The Carthaginians themselves dressed & armed pretty much like other hopilite armies of the period. Citizens would have dressed in white or unbleached linnen or cotton. The sacred band is said to have worn purple but didn't serve out side the homeland. Their Libian mercenary/allies were said to dye the clothing with maddar, giving them dark red to redish-brown clothing. Other mercenaries or alies would have been dressed & outfitted acording to their nationality.
Title: Re: Advice on painting Carthaginians
Post by: Phil on December 21, 2015, 08:59:10 AM
Thanks for the latest info on the Carthaginians, very helpful. Somewhere I know I have, or at least had, a copy of Ian Heath's book. I can' remember seeing it for twenty years or so but today I'll be venturing into the "Land that Time Forgot" (the loft) to see if I can find it.
Title: Re: Advice on painting Carthaginians
Post by: Peithetairos on January 10, 2016, 10:34:30 PM
Hi Phil,

I wrote some articles with painting ideas/suggestions on my blog covering Liby-Phoenician spearmen, Numidians, Celtiberian and Iberian Scutati. All in 15mm, but I think you can transfer some of them to 28mm. Maybe it can provide you with some pointers.

https://daggerandbrush.wordpress.com/projects/ (https://daggerandbrush.wordpress.com/projects/)

Title: Re: Advice on painting Carthaginians
Post by: Phil on January 13, 2016, 10:29:33 AM
Hi Peithetairos ,

Thanks for the link to your Blog - very interesting. Loved the camp.
Title: Re: Advice on painting Carthaginians
Post by: Peithetairos on January 14, 2016, 11:59:32 PM
Hi Phil,

glad you found it helpful. The camp is my personal favourite :).
Title: Re: Advice on painting Carthaginians
Post by: SteveBurt on January 15, 2016, 11:03:12 AM
If you are still looking for 'Armies of the Macedonian and Punic wars', the author is Duncan Head, not Ian Heath.
There's also some useful painting info in Warry 'Warfare in the Ancient world' and various Ospreys.
But as others have said, we know very little about Carthaginian shield colours and designs.
Come to that, we know very little about Roman shield colours (though we do have evidence for designs).
Bizarrely, the only thing we know for sure about Roman shields is the colour of the back as paint was found on a shield at Dura Europos.
Roman shield backs should be a reddish brown (Burnt Siena is perfect).
Other than that, red or white are always likely shield colours.
Title: Re: Advice on painting Carthaginians
Post by: AdamPHayes on January 19, 2016, 09:36:24 PM
On the subject of shields, unless depicting Hannibal's army, the Roman style scutum in the Victrix box should be junked. Replace them with theuros or hoplite style shields.
Title: Re: Advice on painting Carthaginians
Post by: markw on January 20, 2016, 03:58:25 PM
It was a real shame that the Victrix Carthaginians only come with the Roman shields. You can always swap them for Hoplons or mix and match them up.
Title: Re: Advice on painting Carthaginians
Post by: delbruck on January 20, 2016, 04:55:42 PM
I believe the Victrix Carthaginian box contains a mixture of oval scutum and hoplons. I think it is a mistake to call the oval scutum "Roman".  I am under the impression by the 2nd Punic Wars some variations of the oval shield  (Gallic/Spanish/Italian - thureos/scutum) was the most common used in the western Mediterranean.
Title: Re: Advice on painting Carthaginians
Post by: AdamPHayes on January 21, 2016, 09:27:47 PM
I believe the Victrix Carthaginian box contains a mixture of oval scutum and hoplons. I think it is a mistake to call the oval scutum "Roman".  I am under the impression by the 2nd Punic Wars some variations of the oval shield  (Gallic/Spanish/Italian - thureos/scutum) was the most common used in the western Mediterranean.

The curved Roman version is very distinctive and not the same as the Gallic / Spanish / Italian / Greek versions.