Lead Adventure Forum

Miniatures Adventure => Age of the Big Battalions => Topic started by: Nysse on December 29, 2015, 01:44:59 PM

Title: The Saxon Army of 1813 (21.3. Grenadiers, Infantry and Artillery)
Post by: Nysse on December 29, 2015, 01:44:59 PM
Hi all! With our club running and 1813 campaign using Black Powder this spring and none of us owning any Saxon units I bravely/foolishly promised to paint up the two Saxon divisions and possible the final French division of the VII Corps. With something around 450 Saxon infantry and about 250 French to paint up this might prove to be a bit too much to tackle in such a short time, but then again you never succeed if you don't try :)

I'll be posting finished units here as I get ahead with them. I speed painted the Swiss Division for our 1812 campaign last spring in a bit under two months, but this time I think I'll keep a much more leisurely pace to avoid getting fed up with painting, which happened last time around.

I'll be adding some WIP shots every now and then on my blog (http://engineered-gaming.blogspot.fi/) if someone wants to follow the progress closer.

24th Division   Generallieutenant Edler von Lecoq
1st Brigade   Oberst von Brause
1st Battalion, Leib Grenadier Garde   1 Battalion
1st Light Infantry (von Lecoq)   2 Battalions - DONE
1st Battalion, Prinz Maximilian   1 Battalion - DONE
2nd Battalion, von Rechten   1 Battalion - DONE

2nd Brigade   Generalmajor von Mellentin
von Spiegel Grenadier Battalion   1 Battalion - DONE
Prinz Friedrich August   2 Battalions - DONE
von Steindel   2 Battalions - DONE

Divisional Artillery   Major von Roth
1st Foot Battery   Hauptmann Kuhnel (8 guns) - DONE
2nd Foot Battery   Hauptmann Rouvroy (8 guns) - DONE
    
25th Division   Generallieutenant Sahrer von Sahr
1st Brigade   Oberst von Bose
von Sperl Grenadier Battalion   1 Battalion - DONE
2nd Light Infantry (von Sahr)   2 Battalions - DONE
1st Battalion, König   1 Battalion
2nd Battalion, Niesemeuschel   1 Battalion - DONE

2nd Brigade   Oberst von Russel
Prinz Anton   2 Battalions - DONE
von Low   2 Battalions

Divisional Artillery   Major Gau
3rd Foot Battery   Hauptmann Dietrich (8 guns) - DONE
4th Foot Battery   Hauptmann Zandt (8 guns) - DONE

Corps Cavalry   
26th Light Cavalry Brigade   Generalmajor von Gablenz
Hussars   8 Squadrons
Prinz Clemens Uhlans   5 Squadrons
2 Horse Batteries    (12 guns)
    
1st Cavalry Corps    Generalmajor Lessing
Leib Kürassiere Garde   4 Squadrons
Zastrow Kürassiere   4 Squadrons - DONE

Without further ado let me present the first finished unit; Regiment Prinz Friedrich August. All AB miniatures. Lovely little things to paint, but with only 4 different poses can become a bit monotone so I decided to vary the unit a bit by using a couple of different trouser shades.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TKBsm8FExTM/VoKEhyIX6pI/AAAAAAAAE9Q/cWpkIjLBNGI/s1600/12375290_10153803019834146_1947138957809318846_o.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JOxv2sXcCQ8/VoKEhkFOb5I/AAAAAAAAE9I/sQees-DSnhY/s1600/12374770_10153803019829146_1385298609537625261_o.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LBfDK8VlHgU/VoKEhv68l0I/AAAAAAAAE9E/zWw6G5sEXYw/s1600/10265396_10153803019814146_7259573417288321451_o.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zMRSzyaN5do/VoKEiE0UtzI/AAAAAAAAE9U/rlYqKk-Ed6s/s1600/858165_10153803019939146_1930461303438609454_o.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bdlWO4-svRY/VoKEhtOlG7I/AAAAAAAAE9M/aR_dBFaUOD4/s1600/12374851_10153803019924146_8723960042593886487_o.jpg)
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813
Post by: von Lucky on December 29, 2015, 08:56:11 PM
Lovely. Simply lovely.
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813
Post by: Paddy649 on December 29, 2015, 09:30:15 PM
Very nice painting.  I'll follow your progress with interest as one day I'll follow suit.
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813
Post by: MadMö on December 29, 2015, 10:14:38 PM
I want to see more.
Please :D
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813
Post by: grant on December 31, 2015, 01:00:12 AM
Simply superb!
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813
Post by: Nysse on December 31, 2015, 06:58:45 AM
Thanks guys! I've got the Zastrow Cuirassiers on the table now mostly through block painting so hopefully have them done this week (unless I'm too hungover to do anything after New Years :D ).

Just noticed while prepping minis that for some reason the flag bearers in one command back were Brunswickers instead of Saxons so I can't get the next two battalions done before ordering reinforcements. Would have thought that they are cast the whole command at the same time so mix-ups like that wouldn't happen. Well at least I have the Zastrow's and then a battery of artillery already in store so painting won't be stopped completely. Though we'll see how soon I'll get fed up with painting white all the time and do something else in between :)
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813
Post by: PAULSPENCE on December 31, 2015, 07:46:13 AM
Bonjour,

These look really great!

I'm doing some in 28mm but only at the undercoating stage.

I'm using the excellent Westfalia Miniatures and the guns and limbers are a joy.

I'll provide some piccies when I can.

Cheers,

Paul
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813
Post by: Plutarch64 on January 01, 2016, 09:58:55 AM
Very nice indeed!
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813
Post by: gustav on January 02, 2016, 02:28:46 AM
great stuff - and what a schedule !
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813
Post by: Nysse on January 05, 2016, 07:28:56 AM
Thanks guys! Luckily the first couple of battles that we are going to play will only feature the survivors of the Russian campaign so about 8 battalions of infantry and some cavalry. So I'll only really need to get all of them done sometime in the Autumn as we've usually played a Napoleonic game once every 6-8 weeks or so.

Didn't get much painting done over the weekend as most of free time was fully booked. However I did get in a few hours on sunday and then yesterday to finish painting the Zastrow Kürassiere. Only basing to do and then they are done. After them a short interlude with Flames of War stuff as I have the qualifier tournament for next years European Team Championship coming up and I need to finish my force for that.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Rv4wnYpnXzA/Voq1U3jst-I/AAAAAAAAE98/PUGdCo9cl3g/s1600/2016-01-04%2B19.52.44.jpg)
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813
Post by: baxterj on January 05, 2016, 11:38:49 AM
They look excellent. You can try the Dutch-Belgian Hussars as the Saxon Hussars:
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p230/baxterj_album/IMG_0232_zps4d22a406.jpg) (http://s129.photobucket.com/user/baxterj_album/media/IMG_0232_zps4d22a406.jpg.html)
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p230/baxterj_album/IMG_0231_zpsbb32345b.jpg) (http://s129.photobucket.com/user/baxterj_album/media/IMG_0231_zpsbb32345b.jpg.html)
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p230/baxterj_album/IMG_0230_zpsba9b3178.jpg) (http://s129.photobucket.com/user/baxterj_album/media/IMG_0230_zpsba9b3178.jpg.html)
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p230/baxterj_album/IMG_0233_zps1a4ca3e5.jpg) (http://s129.photobucket.com/user/baxterj_album/media/IMG_0233_zps1a4ca3e5.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813
Post by: Nysse on January 05, 2016, 05:40:56 PM
Thanks for the tip! Though I'm leaning on just using French Hussars for the job as they have the correct high plumed shako and the hussar uniforms are virtually identical in all countries. The only real thing to fix is the brass plate in front and even that won't really be too important as it's not really distinguishable at the scale.

The unit that I'm still a bit at loss with is the Prinz Clemens Uhlans as they were transformed from Chevauxlegers to Uhlans for 1813 and there aren't exactly any correct minis available as far as I know. The uniform was very close to the French Chasseur uniform as far as I know. The easy choice would obviously be to just show them as Chevauxleger as they were up to this campaign.
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813
Post by: grant on January 05, 2016, 06:20:48 PM
Nothing finer than an Hussar.
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813
Post by: Arthur on January 05, 2016, 10:00:07 PM
The unit that I'm still a bit at loss with is the Prinz Clemens Uhlans as they were transformed from Chevauxlegers to Uhlans for 1813 and there aren't exactly any correct minis available as far as I know. The uniform was very close to the French Chasseur uniform as far as I know. The easy choice would obviously be to just show them as Chevauxleger as they were up to this campaign.

They received lances in 1812 - see figure 5 in the plate below for their uniform :

(http://www.rafaelpardoalmudi.com/images/figures/odd_grossbe/saxe06.jpg)

I can't be of much help with 15mm as it's not my scale but I know Westfalia will release 28mm Saxon Uhlans at some point this year. 
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813
Post by: huevans on January 05, 2016, 10:27:52 PM
Thanks for the tip! Though I'm leaning on just using French Hussars for the job as they have the correct high plumed shako and the hussar uniforms are virtually identical in all countries. The only real thing to fix is the brass plate in front and even that won't really be too important as it's not really distinguishable at the scale.

The unit that I'm still a bit at loss with is the Prinz Clemens Uhlans as they were transformed from Chevauxlegers to Uhlans for 1813 and there aren't exactly any correct minis available as far as I know. The uniform was very close to the French Chasseur uniform as far as I know. The easy choice would obviously be to just show them as Chevauxleger as they were up to this campaign.

French hussars = wrong horse furniture.

For PC Ulans, you would have to do a head transplant onto the Saxon chevauxlegers figures.
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813
Post by: baxterj on January 06, 2016, 11:25:07 AM
Nysse, the great thing about the DB Hussars is that they match the Saxon horse furniture and have a covered shako, so the plate is not an issue. The DB hussar figure is a really useful figure for all the Confederation hussar regts.

You can see in my pics I have done the PC Uhlans by putting a Saxon chevauleger head on top of a Vistula Legion lancers. The VL figure has a square lapel, the right horse furniture etc.

Any queries on the AB range, please feel free to ask. I visit Eureka every week and know the range very well.
John
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813
Post by: Nysse on January 07, 2016, 07:16:48 AM
They received lances in 1812 - see figure 5 in the plate below for their uniform :

(http://www.rafaelpardoalmudi.com/images/figures/odd_grossbe/saxe06.jpg)

Thanks for the pic link! Though I was under the impression that their uniform was the same even after they were converted to Uhlans. Have to check from a few other sources as well. Other pics I've seen have them wearing the Chevauxleger uniform in 1813. Never really seen one with that style of uniform.

French hussars = wrong horse furniture.

For PC Ulans, you would have to do a head transplant onto the Saxon chevaulegers figures.

Yes the horse furniture is one issue with those. Have to check which way would be the best base for conversion. The DB might be the easier one then.

You can see in my pics I have done the PC Uhlans by putting a Saxon chevauleger head on top of a Vistula Legion lancers. The VL figure has a square lapel, the right horse furniture etc.

Thanks for the tip! Will have to try that out when I get to the light cavalry.
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813
Post by: Arthur on January 07, 2016, 06:45:49 PM
Thanks for the pic link! Though I was under the impression that their uniform was the same even after they were converted to Uhlans.

The Polish-style light blue uniform with black facings was issued at some point in 1813 or early 1814. It may or may not have been worn during the fall 1813 campaign but it looks good. That said, Peter Bunde shows the Prinz Clemens Uhlans wearing red coatees faced light green in his Brigade uniform plate :

(http://www.brigade-uniform-tafeln.de/media/image/thumbnail/04453e496efeeacd_720x600.jpg)

http://www.brigade-uniform-tafeln.de/uniformtafeln/?p=23 (http://www.brigade-uniform-tafeln.de/uniformtafeln/?p=23)
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813
Post by: archiduque on January 08, 2016, 11:43:44 AM
Excellent stuff!! ;)
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813
Post by: Paddy649 on January 08, 2016, 02:32:15 PM
von Pivka's book just says that the PC Uhlans changed to Traditional Polish in Light Blue with black facings" in 1813 - no month.  For Fall 1813 is that you could reasonably justify either - so the best solution is the easiest.

Using AB figures as the base this would probably be to take the AB-SAXC01 Saxon Chevauxleger figure, scalpel off the sword and add a wire lance and green stuff sword hilt.  The only other alternative I could see is to use AB-IG45 Guard lancer and clean of the furniture on the czapka and add a plume. 

That said the opportunity to paint Saxon Uhlans in bright red with Canary Green facings with the trumpeter in reverse colours is just too good to miss!
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (11.1. Zastrow Kürassiere)
Post by: Nysse on January 11, 2016, 08:30:58 AM
Thanks for the link Arthur! Might just have to go with the Chevauxleger colours as they are so colourful and would definitely stand out.

Though I'd expect the Polish uniform is closer to the truth if they switched to that in 1813. As the Regiment was reraised in 1813 it would seem logical that they switched to a new uniform at that time instead of changing uniforms after about half a year of use. Another chance might have been after the Saxons switched sides and most of the army was sent to serve under Prussia.

Oh well I'll have to do some more research on that unit. Though I guess the bright red and light green would be the better choice even if it's not historically correct for 1813 as it's just so striking.

With that I finally managed to get the Zastrow's based. Next a minor pause in this project as I really need to get some Flames of War stuff ready for a tournament. Then probably some more infantry before I put an order in with Fighting 15s for a refill.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vqF6TTdPxxY/VpKq6BGXWLI/AAAAAAAAE_U/Hcg2YWgnVH0/s1600/IMG_4545_Large.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5VpDgRRkG10/VpKq6DtfKuI/AAAAAAAAE_Q/wT7N_MoEuYQ/s1600/IMG_4548_Large.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ApJyNYAiWQE/VpKq6HVzY-I/AAAAAAAAE_Y/0IrKcy49GFI/s1600/IMG_4549_Large.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6kcxu_8Hzwk/VpKq6t9Lf0I/AAAAAAAAE_c/4-nu2Js29Vs/s1600/IMG_4550_Large.jpg)
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (11.1. Zastrow Kürassiere)
Post by: grant on January 11, 2016, 01:45:26 PM
More lovely work - very impressive!
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (11.1. Zastrow Kürassiere)
Post by: Nysse on January 25, 2016, 12:34:33 PM
After a short Olive Drab interlude, work continues on the Saxons. This time the Rechten Regiment with only one battalion taking part in the 1813 campaign. I still have enough minis for one battalion after this, but luckily reinforcements should arrive later in the week from Fighting 15s in the form of all the missing line infantry battalions. I hit a small speed bumb in the project with Light Infantry and Grenadiers being unavailable until sometime in March. Not really an issue, but it would have been nice to get some more varied units to paint and to complete the force division at a time, but alas nothing can be done about that. Hopefully I can get most of the line infantry done before Fighting 15s can deliver the other infantry types again.

Still basing to do, but should have them finished in a few days and ready to be entered into the Analogue Hobbies Painting Challenge (http://thepaintingchallenge.blogspot.ca/)

(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/t31.0-8/10275287_10153873662689146_5065803843801050520_o.jpg)
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (11.1. Zastrow Kürassiere)
Post by: archiduque on January 25, 2016, 05:13:32 PM
Very nice work! ;)
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (11.1. Zastrow Kürassiere)
Post by: grant on January 25, 2016, 09:52:17 PM
Those are superb!
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (11.1. Zastrow Kürassiere)
Post by: Nysse on January 28, 2016, 10:16:00 AM
Thanks guys! Next unit is primed and these have finally gotten based. More pics when they've been on the challenge blog for the requisite amount of time.

Plus I finally got my care package! Nearly all the line infantry is now there waiting for painting as are the Prinz Clemens Uhlans. I just have to figure out how to do the lances as they really need to be quite thin to fit in the hands of the minis. So I should be set for the next couple of months and hopefully when I've painted all of them Fighting 15s can once again supply the light infantry and grenadiers as well.
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (15.2. Regiment Prinz Maximillian)
Post by: Nysse on February 15, 2016, 01:07:50 PM
Another unit finished. This time the first battalion of Regiment Prinz Maximillian. After these it's the two battalions of Regiment von Steindel and all the line infantry of the first division is done. Progress is slightly slow with multiple other minis for different being painted in between Saxon regiments, but at least it keeps my interests up instead of just painting the same subject over and over again.

Anyone who has done conversions to lancers how have you done the lances? Thin wire would be an obvious choice, but then I thought about using broom bristles with one end sharpened. A bit easier to shape and hopefully should just bounce back in shape even if bent. My storage solution (fishing lure boxes) is very space saving, but I've had a few incidents with dropped bags where some box got turned around and a few flag poles bent.

Anyway on to the unit. I got some casualty minis from Fighting 15s as well, but unfortunately most of the AB Saxon casualties aren't that suitable to be thrown in a unit at least the way we are basing them. Put in one for added variety and added a tiny bit of blood spatter. In hindsight I don't really like the blood though so I guess I'll just have to quickly touch the mini up with white and yellow again to cover it up.

Seems the pics turned out quite dark this time. Oh well, those will have to do :)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-H8vg3Xy4VRM/Vrzjo8taDPI/AAAAAAAAFDc/6qfV6kP-6Gk/s1600/IMG_4615.jpg)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fIxTUQtuYjo/Vrzjo-F73hI/AAAAAAAAFDY/q1VNAA_zGp4/s1600/IMG_4617.jpg)

And I noticed I forgot to post finished pics of the Rechten Regiment

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tKhiXWmLrWw/Vqo87BMma7I/AAAAAAAAFBg/C9iegGJzzH4/s1600/IMG_4557.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XqOup-woi1c/Vqo87Oa8UfI/AAAAAAAAFBk/s4VGjQH6c64/s1600/IMG_4558.jpg)
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (15.2. Regiment Prinz Maximillian)
Post by: janner on February 16, 2016, 05:53:24 AM
Escellent work :)
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (15.2. Regiment Prinz Maximillian)
Post by: Gunner Dunbar on February 16, 2016, 07:42:34 AM
Very nice work.
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (15.2. Regiment Prinz Maximillian)
Post by: grant on February 17, 2016, 03:04:33 AM
Superb!
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (15.2. Regiment Prinz Maximillian)
Post by: Paddy649 on February 17, 2016, 08:49:34 AM
Nysse,

Lancer conversions or replacement lances.  I originally used brass wire cut to the appropriate length, then hammered one end and fled it to a lance point.  However, now I'm lazy and use Xyston pikes and snip them to the right length.

The best storage solution I have found is to base all my figures are based on Steel Bases from Ian Carbutt ate Precision Wargames supplied: http://www.freewebs.com/pwsltd/  These are thin, strong and magnetic.  Then I the store figures in Plastic 650ml Microwave Food Takeaway Containers which can be had at kitchen shops or on amazon.  I cover the inside of the lid with a flexible magnetic sheet cut to the appropriate size.  The Magnetic figure bases stick to that and the container clips upside down ton top of the lid, covering and protecting the figures.  These boxes are the stackable and at 7 high you can fit 28 into a 12 bottle wine box.

The advantage of this is that the metal bases protect the figures, and give them some heft on the table...metal bases don't slide down hills!  The magnetic sheet anchors the troops in place - a party trick is to turn the lid upside down and the figures stick.  This means they don't move in transit unless you really shock it but IF you do drop a whole box the metal bases, magnetics and box dimensions mean that the figures aren't bashed about too much.  Finally the box over the top protects from bashing - no bent bayonets, flags or lances, protects from dust, and make it stackable - but because it is transparent you can see what's inside.....and if you want to get figures out you just click off the boxes and they are ready to go.  So reinforcements sit on the table side on their box lids until deployed, with the box lid acting as a movement tray if needed.  Depending on base size approx 150 15mm inf or 35 Cav or 8 guns per box.

I've been wargaming 35 years, have 10,000 troops and only had 1 figure casualty in all that time using this approach despite moving house every 2-3 years and often gaming hours away from home or putting on convention games.
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (15.2. Regiment Prinz Maximillian)
Post by: Nysse on February 18, 2016, 06:01:46 AM
Thank you all!

Lancer conversions or replacement lances.  I originally used brass wire cut to the appropriate length, then hammered one end and fled it to a lance point.  However, now I'm lazy and use Xyston pikes and snip them to the right length.

The best storage solution I have found is to base all my figures are based on Steel Bases from Ian Carbutt ate Precision Wargames supplied: http://www.freewebs.com/pwsltd/  These are thin, strong and magnetic.  Then I the store figures in Plastic 650ml Microwave Food Takeaway Containers which can be had at kitchen shops or on amazon.  I cover the inside of the lid with a flexible magnetic sheet cut to the appropriate size.  The Magnetic figure bases stick to that and the container clips upside down ton top of the lid, covering and protecting the figures.  These boxes are the stackable and at 7 high you can fit 28 into a 12 bottle wine box.

Might have to try ordering some ready made lances then! Though I only need 8 of these so might be just easier and faster to make some from wire.

I actually have a lot of my other minis on magnetic bases for storage and travel. Works quite nicely most of the time. I was thinking about doing these as well, but I already had suitable MDF bases and the rest of my naps are on mdf bases as well so I lazied out. Plus the fishing lure boxes seem to have 32mm wide slots and we are using 30mm wide bases, so not much movement sideways in them. The lid has some foam added to stop them from moving up and down too much as well. The only casualties I've had have been when I've actually dropped the box from a table and then mainly just bent flag poles that could be bent back in place and a bit of touch up paint where it has flaked. I'd imagine magnetic bases would have failed then as well. A bendy flag pole or lance that would spring back into position (like the broom bristle) would help with those cases.
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (15.2. Regiment Prinz Maximillian)
Post by: Schrumpfkopf on February 21, 2016, 08:51:41 PM
Very nice painting! I know that Paul Alba is doing a similar project and I really like the AB miniatures.

Some general feedback.

1. Infantry officers should have a gold or silver flame instead of a red pompom.
2. The Uhlans were certainly wearing Tshakos
3. Red Pompoms/Federstutzen were exclusively for the Grenadiers. Sappeurs/Zimmermaenner always had Grenadier status, even when attached to the line infantry.

Our painting cards might come in handy:

http://westfaliaminiatures.com/images/downloads/SaxonPaintingCards.zip

Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (15.2. Regiment Prinz Maximillian)
Post by: grant on February 22, 2016, 06:38:46 AM
Can't wait to download them after holidays! iPhone says ... no. 
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (15.2. Regiment Prinz Maximillian)
Post by: Nysse on February 22, 2016, 08:38:56 PM
Very nice painting! I know that Paul Alba is doing a similar project and I really like the AB miniatures.

Some general feedback.

1. Infantry officers should have a gold or silver flame instead of a red pompom.
2. The Uhlans were certainly wearing Tshakos
3. Red Pompoms/Federstutzen were exclusively for the Grenadiers. Sappeurs/Zimmermaenner always had Grenadier status, even when attached to the line infantry.

Our painting cards might come in handy:

http://westfaliaminiatures.com/images/downloads/SaxonPaintingCards.zip

Thanks for sharing those! Contradicts a bit with the material I've been using, but definitely helpful. Will have to cross-reference some sources again.

I've mainly been using Funcken drawings for guidance and on those it shows line officers, drummers etc. having red plume with gold epaulettes and with grenadier officers having the cords of the tshako red instead of white. Facing colours have been slightly tricky to nail down as well with many sources giving different colours for the same regiments.

Do you happen to know if the Saxon regiments had a habit of going into battle with overcoats? Could be used to add a bit of variety into the units by having some wearing the longer coats.

Good to hear that no Czapkas were present :) That would have been slightly trickier to convert.

I've been following Paul Alba's project as well. Provides some very nice inspiration.
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (15.2. Regiment Prinz Maximillian)
Post by: Paddy649 on February 25, 2016, 11:47:09 PM
Our painting cards might come in handy:
http://westfaliaminiatures.com/images/downloads/SaxonPaintingCards.zip

Thanks for the painting cards.  Very informative.  They look very accurate - however, could you include the references to the sources on which they draw.  The reason I ask is that you indicate that: Infantry officers should have a gold or silver flame instead of a red pompom.  Which is true if they were wearing parade dress negative plumes.  However, Nysse's figures are clearly in campaign dress.  Here I would observe that the whole flame and plume arrangement was detachable from the skako and was replaceable by a pompom if desired in a similar manner to the French.  It may be that Funcken was drawing on original sources from campaigns whereas your painting cards are drawing on more ornate examples of parade dress.  This is supported by Funken's /Nysse's examples not having the tassels or the gold top band.  So this might just be a dress vs undress issue rather than anything else.
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (15.2. Regiment Prinz Maximillian)
Post by: grant on February 27, 2016, 06:28:17 AM
Ah, Napoleonics: the gentleman's war begins with the uniform.
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (18.3. Regiment von Steindel)
Post by: Nysse on March 18, 2016, 05:47:37 PM
Ah, Napoleonics: the gentleman's war begins with the uniform.

Well it would be barbaric to fight over nothing! Disagreements over uniform colours provide a prefect excuse for gentlemanly warfare.

After a pause I've painted up some more Saxons, this time Regiment von Steindel. With these done I have all of the line infantry finished of the first division. Now if Fighting 15s would receive their new moulds for light infantry and grenadiers I could get on with painting those as well! Oh well I guess in the meantime I have to paint yet more line infantry...

Trying to make the units a bit varied has become slightly more difficult now that my last shipment had a massively lopsided distribution of poses with two making up most of the package and only a few miniatures of one pose. Luckily I still had some left over from a previous batch to even out the units and finally I threw in a mounted commander and casualty add a bit of variety. But even then the infantry is now made of basically 3 poses that repeat on every single base. In future units it will become even worse if I don't get reinforcements before that. Luckily I have some CGM french somewhere so I can do a few head swaps to remedy the situation.

Slightly annoyingly I just managed to notice that Eureka preorder for Salute ended on Wednesday. As I'm making a trip there from Finland this year it would have been very handy to  get all the missing Saxon infantry there. Here's to hoping that they have some in stock anyhow.

Anyway here are the minis!

(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xal1/t31.0-8/12419282_10154011355129146_6993489995719034352_o.jpg)

(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/t31.0-8/12513894_10154011355124146_5510779007415144766_o.jpg)

(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/t31.0-8/1421091_10154011355134146_8825396533903728447_o.jpg)

(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/l/t31.0-8/1496294_10154011355359146_767517751781500734_o.jpg)

(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/t31.0-8/12795101_10154011355364146_8117865159180062392_o.jpg)
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (15.2. Regiment Prinz Maximillian)
Post by: Paddy649 on March 18, 2016, 06:14:26 PM
Ah, Napoleonics: the gentleman's war begins with the uniform.

Nothing contradictory in my earlier post - just the historian in me wanting to see the source references. 

Nice painting Nysse - I don't notice the distribution of poses as you have mixed it up well with different coloured breeches etc.   .......and an impressive rate of painting given the quality.
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (18.3. Regiment von Steindel)
Post by: janner on March 21, 2016, 05:54:26 AM
Wonderful additions  :-*
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (18.3. Regiment von Steindel)
Post by: Nysse on March 21, 2016, 10:18:12 AM
Thanks guys!

With a few other painting projects now more or less finished (WW2 in 15mm & 28mm) at least for now, I should be able to put in a bit more time with the Saxons as well! Too bad that I just missed the Salute preorder for these. Would have been so handy to pick the remainder from there. Well hopefully Fighting 15s will soon have new moulds for the light and grenadiers! In the meanwhile I still have miniatures for 4 line battalions, 2 artillery batteries and some cavalry so it should keep me busy for a while.
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (15.1. Regiment Prinz Anton and artillery)
Post by: Nysse on January 15, 2018, 04:14:49 PM
This project is finally back from the dead after nearly a two year hiatus! With a few gaming companions leaving the country for a year or so due to work our 1813 campaign got postponed. Combined with a general lack of interest in painting anything for a while lead to this being put on hold, but now with everyone back home and the campaign starting it was high time I continued with the little Saxons.

I picked up where I left off having cleaned up another two battalions worth of infantry and the artillery for the 24th Division. Having painted all the line infantry for the 24th it was time to start working on troops from the 25th Division. This time the two battalions of Regiment Prinz Anton.

I've already got the next units on the workbench with all the 4 light infantry regiments.

But without further ado here are the latest reinforcements! Photo quality is a bit lacking as my DSLR is in service so these were taken with my cellphone.

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UYGsDSLfIjo/WltEYIEPYFI/AAAAAAAAGcA/qk4ipvw4chkZqMCR7gACvJuUYq-OULenwCLcBGAs/s1600/2017-12-31%2B20.29.26.jpg)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YQUkdhSUwk0/WltEYUFVwQI/AAAAAAAAGcE/IfdN6IdIRsoZX-EkDOvkRQuUpdFs_lU5QCLcBGAs/s1600/2017-12-31%2B20.29.47.jpg)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oQuy16CnTKg/WltEZdE09sI/AAAAAAAAGcM/_Uhfuyi7j9k7d-kL7NvKU13TJMm8dKfBACLcBGAs/s1600/2017-12-31%2B20.30.07.jpg)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ifqlp8jS8RE/WltEY8yqeFI/AAAAAAAAGcI/qMuwa7gocdIPOA6OcFfzGwQL5vhsI6eOQCLcBGAs/s1600/2017-12-31%2B20.28.10.jpg)


Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (15.1. Regiment Prinz Anton and artillery)
Post by: Inhaber Jerry on January 15, 2018, 04:41:40 PM
Fantastic.

Thank you for reviving this thread. Your figures are splendidly painted, and magnificently based. How do you do your white?

Cheers,

Kurt.
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (15.1. Regiment Prinz Anton and artillery)
Post by: Nysse on January 15, 2018, 05:41:15 PM
Thank you for reviving this thread. Your figures are splendidly painted, and magnificently based. How do you do your white?

Thank you!

All of these are painted with just a base color, black wash and then a highlight of the same base color. Quick and dirty, but works pretty nicely at this scale. So for the white it's just an offwhite basecoat, black wash to shade shadows and line all the edges and then more offwhite to pick out all the details
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (15.1. Regiment Prinz Anton and artillery)
Post by: von Lucky on January 16, 2018, 09:31:40 AM
Gorgeous! And I agree - nice whites.
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (23.1. 1st and 2nd Light Infantry Regiments)
Post by: Nysse on January 23, 2018, 12:28:47 PM
A few evenings of frantic painting spread over the last week saw me finish up both the light infantry regiments for the project. The lack of variance in the sculpts was both a blessing and a curse. With only three different poses there's quite a clone wars vibe to the units, but then again it was pretty darn quick to get everything painted up as 16 examples of each of the three poses really allowed for some fast assembly line work on them. And I lazied out a bit on the paintjobs as well by doing the green base with my airbrush and then skipping the highlighting stage after a light black wash. Doesn't really seem to need it as much as the lighter and brighter colours do and with the red piping it pops enough from your normal viewing distance on the table.

I swapped out the pompoms on the great coated officers shakos for some plumes with a simple green stuff conversion. Ended up being a bit too tall, but not really noticable on the table I guess. I'd also forgotten to take into account the officers when I ordered these guys, so I was left with 4 extras. Still not too bad as we're using small dice as markers for casualties and different morale effects so they found use as tokens for the units.

They are based with just two to a base as at least according to my research they seemed to be deployed in skirmish screens and thus will do that during our games as well.

Next I'll probably take a few weeks break from this project and work on some fantasy and sci-fi stuff. So most likely no updates until mid-February or something like that. Probably either grenadiers or then some cavalry. Uhlans and Hussars need to be converted so that might be a fun little project for next, but we'll see what will strike my fancy when I'm done with my next Skaven unit.

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zgZ73sZ_-Jw/WmYkmUm_O5I/AAAAAAAAGdk/gcngHoz3M-AuTRBqBhQsuryUvXGW93m3gCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_6607.jpg)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6KNWFHcNwzU/WmYkmGOx7JI/AAAAAAAAGdg/xZcBKOpHmPoipvgHNtXt6g7SuWEiSOlpgCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_6608.jpg)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_sQnJtQy3GM/WmYkma2CaUI/AAAAAAAAGdc/24p-Ra6mJBYI_4b24xnQ8uCkx2d1QHdtACLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_6609.jpg)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nnlcs6IbtNk/WmYkmoUCvmI/AAAAAAAAGdo/BRyght1xD2g0Idd4czJiLAUmP67Xi32rwCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_6610.jpg)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_DyU1sg0_Ys/WmYknDg9dJI/AAAAAAAAGds/UejCG8TOfBQ7--D0f9wx7cvgFzbGhS4NwCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_6611.jpg)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1aGntV9GiL0/WmYkndZ9n7I/AAAAAAAAGdw/quQhoazQRnA1CRrx7Lu_Pxr6zHLj7PRSwCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_6613.jpg)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Au9uE9J7ftU/WmYkn9XCzoI/AAAAAAAAGd0/tuXCcx7_ooMJzYWgkuMj39QHcNey2JOlACLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_6614.jpg)
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (23.1. 1st and 2nd Light Infantry Regiments)
Post by: Inhaber Jerry on January 26, 2018, 11:08:39 AM
Fantastic. Do you airgun the whole miniature or just between his collar and gaiters?
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (23.1. 1st and 2nd Light Infantry Regiments)
Post by: Nysse on January 29, 2018, 01:14:13 PM
I basecoated them black and then covered them pretty much completely with the green.  They're way too small to really bother trying to basecoat just the green parts of the uniform in green. Trying to be precise would take much more time than could ever be saved by doing it. The only colours that really had any coverage issue were the flesh shades, everything else just went on as a single coat.

I do the same with all the white uniforms as well. Just basecoated white with an airbrush and all the other shades picked out before cleaning up the white areas where I accidentally messed it up with another shade.
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (8.3. von Spiegel Grenadiers)
Post by: Nysse on March 08, 2018, 05:41:38 PM
Some more Saxons after a month long break spent painting some Fantasy and WW2 stuff.

This time finishing one of the last battalions of the 24th Division with the combined grenadiers in the von Spiegel battalion. It was formed of the grenadiers from Prinz Maximillian, Rechten, Prinz Friedrich August and von Steindel regiments. In reality there should be both yellow and green facings, but I decided to simplify things and paint everything green just for the sake of clarity. With only 18 men in a unit I felt it might have seemed a bit too busy with some of the soldiers with different facings. And to be honest I was lazy :D

The project is starting to look pretty good. After these it's two more grenadier battalions and 4 infantry and then it's really just cavalry, some artillery and all the officers. We're finally getting around to starting our 1813 campaign with the first small game played in January and the first "proper" big battle coming in mid April in the form of Lützen. My Saxons won't be needed there yet so there's still some time to get them finished, but with the campaign rolling it's really providing a much needed boost for my motivation!

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eQlzcWrrFs4/WqDTU3iLHHI/AAAAAAAAGpY/hIGTa-5mA-o-IG8AJv7xj9Zr1JIcMsFDgCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_6652_Large.jpg)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Eeyzzp1_BVM/WqDTU46UUZI/AAAAAAAAGpc/8aTaoWKmRogXxBsFGANqwKcnHZEXUfbcQCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_6653_Large.jpg)
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (8.3. von Spiegel Grenadiers)
Post by: DintheDin on March 09, 2018, 05:37:38 PM
They look great!
I always admire people who give a proper treatment on the shades of white uniforms...
But also your yellow for the Zastrow cuirassiers, one of my favorite units, is fabulous!
Good luck for a glorious ending of your big project!   
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (8.3. von Spiegel Grenadiers)
Post by: Nysse on March 13, 2018, 11:58:21 AM
They look great!
I always admire people who give a proper treatment on the shades of white uniforms...
But also your yellow for the Zastrow cuirassiers, one of my favorite units, is fabulous!
Good luck for a glorious ending of your big project!

Thanks! Luckily the white is fairly simple. Just on offwhite shade with a thinned black wash over it and most of the area painted with offwhite again.
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (8.3. von Spiegel Grenadiers)
Post by: Melnibonean on March 14, 2018, 07:28:43 AM
These are great looking battalions/regiments. You're going to have a very impressive looking army by the time you've finished.
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (8.3. von Spiegel Grenadiers)
Post by: Lysandros on March 15, 2018, 06:42:27 AM
There is something special about AB figures.
Barton is the best sculptor in this scale. They are true classics. and really capture elegance.  You have done them proud and a great collection.
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (8.3. von Spiegel Grenadiers)
Post by: Nysse on March 21, 2018, 12:43:22 PM
There is something special about AB figures.
Barton is the best sculptor in this scale. They are true classics. and really capture elegance.

Couldn't have said it better myself! Definitely the best sculpts in this scale I've ever seen. Shame that the amount of poses is fairly limited though.

Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (21.3. Grenadiers, Infantry and Artillery)
Post by: Nysse on March 21, 2018, 12:51:07 PM
Yet more Saxons! The last few weeks have been fairly productive with two infantry battalions and two artillery batteries finished. And the finish line really starts to be in sight! Only three more Line infantry battalions and the Leib Grenadiers left and then I'm done with all infantry except for making casualty bases for all units. The Leib Grenadiers will need some green stuff work to have the correct uniform and I noticed I'm actually missing some infantry models so I need to order reinforcements. I also really need to start working on command bases and cavalry. I'm not a big fan of painting horses at this scale (or any scale really) so I've been putting it off and focusing on other minis. But I guess I'll finally have to do them now so I can get the project done :D

The first unit is the second combined grenadier battalion, this time from the second division in the form of battalion von Sperl. Again it should have a part of the unit with red facings, but I was lazy and the unit looks more coherent with all facings being the same colour.

Regular Line infantry in the form of Battalion Niesemeuschel and then two batteries of artillery representing the batteries attaches to the second division.

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ER7OOpFyVyo/WrJNuQka4jI/AAAAAAAAGr4/hrUu0FrLZy0bkuub_l6E0vW9E_g0U0MFQCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_6658_Large.jpg)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mqUQEnR7Tk0/WrJNuQP0DlI/AAAAAAAAGr0/eM5weI0CU_8bj-I7JUDsdLNJU_BacbK0ACLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_6660_Large.jpg)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LEa17kfP1FE/WrJNvIWw9qI/AAAAAAAAGsA/LK6ZXTeHKWALldtoMr423OGR66vJzYJ_wCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_6663_Large.jpg)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SJD0E-QwHcA/WrJNvVbDD6I/AAAAAAAAGsE/jRtEdwVtwEYAsZ5u1fihaCAsSWy8U8CNACLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_6664_Large.jpg)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_hLhz3QfRZA/WrJNuJZlpKI/AAAAAAAAGrw/ZVHYo79HK4MFapQ1naShUh6pMx91CD8cwCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_6661_Large.jpg)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YTI0xVMfto0/WrJNu_HzU6I/AAAAAAAAGr8/_HrNBKwc6mUOL8gKWdpBA_UcgUozZaLQgCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_6662_Large.jpg)
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (21.3. Grenadiers, Infantry and Artillery)
Post by: Inhaber Jerry on March 22, 2018, 03:54:14 PM
Smashing them out!

Wonderful presentation and photography. I really do like you use of tufts and flowers for the base. The battery looks especially grand.

Are you planning any enemies for this contingent to fight?
Title: Re: The Saxon Army of 1813 (21.3. Grenadiers, Infantry and Artillery)
Post by: Nysse on March 26, 2018, 12:45:15 PM
Smashing them out!

Wonderful presentation and photography. I really do like you use of tufts and flowers for the base. The battery looks especially grand.

Are you planning any enemies for this contingent to fight?

Thanks!

I'm probably not going to paint any opposition anytime soon. Clubmates have some pretty extensive collections of Prussians, Austrians and Russians and we're only really lacking some units in the largest battles like Leipzig. And even that only happens if we fight the whole battle at the same time instead of splitting the separate actions ;) I might go for some Prussians later on as they are needed the most, but even on them there's 60+ battalions available.

I might continue painting some other smaller states to fill gaps in our club collections or then paint some more French as there's gaps there as well (entire Young Guard missing for example). But with 6 regulars and some others who occasionally join us we have all the major combatants more or less ready. And even on the smaller states we're pretty well set with nearly all German states done. Brunswickers might be a nice quick project, but we'll see when I can finally finish these guys!