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Title: Samurai and Ashigaru clothing patterns during the Sengoku period
Post by: carabus03 on January 18, 2016, 11:19:08 PM: Hi All,

I am looking for information of the clothing under the armor worn by Samurai and Ashigaru during the Sengoku period. More specifically the patterns or printed materials worn for painting my miniatures. I know Ashigaru are lower class but did they also ware bright colours and detailed patterned materials/clothing like the Samurai?

If you have any examples/images of some of the patterns I can mimic with my painting that would be great.

Thanks
Title: Re: Samurai and Ashigaru clothing patterns during the Sengoku period
Post by: OSHIROmodels on January 18, 2016, 11:25:27 PM: Haven't got any examples to hand but I can get you some in a couple of days.

Basically, the ashigaru undergarments would've been mainly subdued greys, browns, tans and blues with the occasional reddish tone thrown in.

Patterns would have been simple and repeating and usually bright or dark depending on the cloth colour.

Hope that makes sense, it will do when I dig my photos out :)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Samurai and Ashigaru clothing patterns during the Sengoku period
Post by: carabus03 on January 19, 2016, 12:50:06 AM: That would be fantastic James, Cheers :)
Title: Re: Samurai and Ashigaru clothing patterns during the Sengoku period
Post by: Osmoses on January 21, 2016, 07:37:02 PM: There's a useful couple of pages in "Die Samurai der Sengoku-Zeit" part 2. in the 'Heere and Waffen' series.

There's some info on colours and clothing, but alas not patterns, on Anthony Bryant's old site:
http://www.sengokudaimyo.com/garb/garb.html (http://www.sengokudaimyo.com/garb/garb.html)
Title: Re: Samurai and Ashigaru clothing patterns during the Sengoku period
Post by: carabus03 on January 22, 2016, 02:18:37 AM: Thank you I will have a look through ;)
Title: Re: Samurai and Ashigaru clothing patterns during the Sengoku period
Post by: OSHIROmodels on January 22, 2016, 07:53:14 AM: Haven't found mine yet, I think I've moved the folder by accident o_o

Still looking though :)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Samurai and Ashigaru clothing patterns during the Sengoku period
Post by: carabus03 on January 22, 2016, 12:08:31 PM: Appreciate the effort ;)
Title: Re: Samurai and Ashigaru clothing patterns during the Sengoku period
Post by: carabus03 on January 27, 2016, 06:39:27 PM: Any luck finding that folder James???

;)
Title: Re: Samurai and Ashigaru clothing patterns during the Sengoku period
Post by: Steel fist on January 28, 2016, 10:41:30 AM: Try using the rough shape of clan mons, use google image search.

For samurai it could have been much more extravagant, with flowers and other patterns but some would have also been plain again try google image search with words like traditional Japanese fabric designs, look at Edo prints,
It won't be long before you get the idea, also use what suits the figure.
Title: Re: Samurai and Ashigaru clothing patterns during the Sengoku period
Post by: carabus03 on January 29, 2016, 11:35:52 AM: Thanks Oliver, will do. :)

I have been going mad on Google but you never know what sources people have available.

;)
Title: Re: Samurai and Ashigaru clothing patterns during the Sengoku period
Post by: OSHIROmodels on January 31, 2016, 12:07:31 PM: Sorry mate, been away for a few days but can't bloody find that folder :-[

That's the problem when you've got nearly 30,000 reference photos :?

I'll keep looking though :)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Samurai and Ashigaru clothing patterns during the Sengoku period
Post by: carabus03 on January 31, 2016, 05:34:13 PM: That's great I will make do in the mean time, appreciate your efforts.
Title: Re: Samurai and Ashigaru clothing patterns during the Sengoku period
Post by: Vagabond on February 02, 2016, 04:52:23 PM: Hi I found this site the other day, it might not be what you are after. :)

http://www.sengokudaimyo.com/garb/garb.html
Title: Re: Samurai and Ashigaru clothing patterns during the Sengoku period
Post by: carabus03 on February 03, 2016, 01:32:59 PM: Yeah I have seen that one, but many thanks for pointing out again.

Cheers :D

;)
Title: Re: Samurai and Ashigaru clothing patterns during the Sengoku period
Post by: scarabminiatures on February 03, 2016, 02:07:25 PM: As James noted, Ashigaru wore a range of muted colours, I usually use - grey, blue grey, off whites/light grey, tan, buff or similar. I have based these choices on screens and similar artwork from the period.

For convenience I paint the entire unit with the same colour scheme, chances are there would be a bit of variation due to fading but not enough for those of us painting armies to really worry about!
Title: Re: Samurai and Ashigaru clothing patterns during the Sengoku period
Post by: carabus03 on February 03, 2016, 10:21:57 PM: I thought they were not uniform at all, in fact one of the very few clans to actually have a uniform was the Ii Clan??? I have noted so many people painting units this way and was under the assumption that this was correct until I read the Samurai archive information.

Which is correct? o_o
Title: Re: Samurai and Ashigaru clothing patterns during the Sengoku period
Post by: sepoy1857 on February 04, 2016, 01:05:54 AM: Are we talking clothing or armour here? Clothing was supplied by the individual so it would be varied. Armour while provided by the Lord, was also varied...except in the Li Clan, and possibly others. The Samurai Archives chaps really know their stuff so it's very likely they are spot on!
Title: Re: Samurai and Ashigaru clothing patterns during the Sengoku period
Post by: carabus03 on February 04, 2016, 09:29:26 AM: Ahh ok so they were separate. I thought some of the under clothing would be different but there seemed little difference in what was worn from the miniature to miniature. OK many thanks for all the information, I do like to get these things right. I will not repaint the ones I have done so far (Which is not a lot) and will take everyone's comments and make adjustments on my next ones to paint.

Thank you very much guys. ;)
Title: Re: Samurai and Ashigaru clothing patterns during the Sengoku period
Post by: FierceKitty on February 06, 2016, 01:17:49 AM: I made the same mistake when beginning Sengoku gaming, but it's Ii, not Li. Japanese has no l sound.
Title: Re: Samurai and Ashigaru clothing patterns during the Sengoku period
Post by: WuZhuiQiu on February 06, 2016, 03:19:22 PM: Presumably, though, ashigaru clothing might have been less obviously varied or colourful, simple because of what was affordable, and given any local traditions.