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Title: Bricking it. Update 21st July
Post by: 6milPhil on January 22, 2016, 10:17:11 PM
I've seen all kinds of brick lunacy on here, scribing, laying each brick, etc. so I thought it was time have have a go.

I'm using fomex with a tungsten-tip scriber, and various other tools for detailing and some plastic for additional details.

It's time consuming, a little tricky but I'm happy with the result so far.

(http://i.imgur.com/VGD5vzA.jpg)
Title: Re: Scribing brick work
Post by: Rich H on January 22, 2016, 10:18:52 PM
Looks good!  How long did that take?
Title: Re: Scribing brick work
Post by: OSHIROmodels on January 22, 2016, 10:22:18 PM
I like that  :)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Scribing brick work
Post by: 6milPhil on January 22, 2016, 10:59:21 PM
Looks good!  How long did that take?

So far around 10-12 hours. I'll cast from this and carry on with the master, plus make some variants.
Title: Re: Scribing brick work
Post by: Cory on January 22, 2016, 11:08:06 PM
Scribing definitely takes patience and that looks good.
Title: Re: Scribing brick work
Post by: orm1 on January 22, 2016, 11:09:46 PM
That looks awesome wish I had the skill and patience
Title: Re: Scribing brick work
Post by: snitcythedog on January 22, 2016, 11:13:20 PM
I do like the look of this.  You definitely have a eye for the small details.  Where did you pick up the fomex?  I have been looking around for some since I read about it on someones blog. 
Snitchy sends.
Title: Re: Scribing brick work
Post by: Captain Blood on January 22, 2016, 11:35:08 PM
That looks brilliant Phil.

Overlord is the master of the inscribed brick. His Geezers thread is worth tracking down - but you've probably seen it already. A whole town of inscribed brick!

But yours looks the biz. Well done sir.
Title: Re: Scribing brick work
Post by: marianas_gamer on January 22, 2016, 11:41:31 PM
Really nice work  :-* That kind of close work must be quite hard on the eyes.
LB
Title: Re: Scribing brick work
Post by: 6milPhil on January 22, 2016, 11:46:41 PM
Thanks guys.  :)

Where did you pick up the foamex?  I have been looking around for some since I read about it on someones blog.  

I got it from: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Craft-Board-Rigid-3mm-Foamex-PVC-10-sheets-A4-297x210mm-Matt-White-/161948338675?

Good price and handy size.

Usually I scrounge up scraps from a local signmakers. They tend to use five mil which is difficult to cut accurate square windiwons in, This is 3mm, which is three fifths (or is it two?) easier to cut.  ;)  I'm on the lookout for 1 and 2 mil, but they usually massive sheets.

Overlord is the master of the inscribed brick. His Geezers thread is worth tracking down - but you've probably seen it already. A whole town of inscribed brick!

Yes he's one of the brick loons.  :o
Title: Re: Scribing brick work
Post by: roadskare63 on January 23, 2016, 12:45:23 AM
Ya man!!...That looks fantastic!....I love the attention to detail, the tiny imperfections and all...fantastic job!
Cheers,
Carl
Title: Re: Scribing brick work
Post by: gamer Mac on January 23, 2016, 12:57:32 AM
Cracking job  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
You really have the touch keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Scribing brick work
Post by: Burnin Coal on January 23, 2016, 02:03:14 AM
Lovely work....did you peel one side of the foamex to be able to scribe it ?
Title: Re: Scribing brick work
Post by: Silent Invader on January 23, 2016, 08:51:29 AM
Excellent Phil. Are you planning to cast a whole town's worth?
Title: Re: Scribing brick work
Post by: Thunderchicken on January 23, 2016, 09:02:23 AM
Oooh yes, that really works well Phil. The small details give it that perfect character.   :-*


Title: Re: Scribing brick work
Post by: Mason on January 23, 2016, 11:08:06 AM
Wonderfully detailed.
Most excellent.
 :-* :-*

The patience of a saint must prove very useful, sir.
 :D

Title: Re: Scribing brick work
Post by: pocoloco on January 23, 2016, 11:28:35 AM
Excellent work!  8)
Title: Re: Scribing brick work
Post by: 6milPhil on January 23, 2016, 01:53:47 PM
Thanks fellas!  8)

Lovely work....did you peel one side of the foamex to be able to scribe it ?

Nope, it's not like foamboard it doesn't have a core it's all one piece.

Excellent Phil. Are you planning to cast a whole town's worth?

I'm looking at doing a few, but not all scribed.

The patience of a saint must prove very useful, sir.
 :D

Well it's more the desperation of an old man trying to catch up...  ::)
Title: Re: Scribing brick work
Post by: mcfonz on January 23, 2016, 11:33:07 PM
Bloddy 'ell Phil, that's looking fantastic! MORE WE DEMAND MORE!
Title: Re: Scribing brick work
Post by: 6milPhil on January 23, 2016, 11:56:03 PM
 8) Thanks Fonz.

I thought I'd try a different approach today.

Started by cutting out the basic building shape in 1mm plasticard.
(http://i.imgur.com/3GYDqUO.jpg)

And a backing sheet for that.
(http://i.imgur.com/0UGQvGP.jpg)

Test some the fit of some windows which in true Blue Peter style I'd made earlier. Also add a block of foamex and a sill above it.
(http://i.imgur.com/uhj7bvj.jpg)

Then tested the fit for these bricks which I mainly used for rubble or bases, you know the type. Had a good look at them and realised how laid out as a traditional brick only one long side is square to the bottom, so rather than sort them out I decided to use them as stonework and lay them botton to the wall.
(http://i.imgur.com/7cFNOoT.jpg)

Decide to see if there was any warping against a piece of sheet steel. Despite only being two piece of sheet with a couple of bits stuck on there's the start of a warp.
(http://i.imgur.com/7AxA33e.jpg)

I tape it to the steel to keep it flat for the next stage...
(http://i.imgur.com/rZdfob3.jpg)

... of gluing on the bricks and using the glue as a mortar.
(http://i.imgur.com/9ATqtvD.jpg)

I'll see how well this goes...

Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: OSHIROmodels on January 24, 2016, 07:59:04 AM
Haha! Individual bricks, you can't beat it  :D

cheers

James
Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: Thunderchicken on January 24, 2016, 08:24:38 AM
The man's gone insane  lol At least you're not alone.

I like the concept and it looks good. As you've mentioned, my only concern would be warping. It's a pity no one offers these size bricks in foam. Seems like there's a growing market for them.
Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: Dr. Zombie on January 24, 2016, 10:53:59 AM
It is getting to the point where LAF needs to have a "may lead to individual brick laying" warning attached. Perhaps there ought to be a brick layers self help group.
Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: fastolfrus on January 24, 2016, 10:59:36 AM
If you get any miscasts or rejects can I scrounge them for school?
Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: 6milPhil on January 24, 2016, 11:56:55 AM
Thanks guys. It's not as much fun as scribing to be honest... so I'm glad I'm only laying the top half of the building.

It is getting to the point where LAF needs to have a "may lead to individual brick laying" warning attached. Perhaps there ought to be a brick layers self help group.

I own this book, I may be beyond help... not simply because I own it but because I think there's too much about kilns in it and not enough photos of bricks.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5162C6TBP8L.jpg)

I like the concept and it looks good. As you've mentioned, my only concern would be warping. It's a pity no one offers these size bricks in foam. Seems like there's a growing market for them.

I'm hoping that strapping it down for the bricklaying will minimise it. When I come to make a mould I will glue it down to the base board so it won't be a prob. These at a trifle large too, I'm thinking 1/72nd might be better... perhaps these: http://www.modelscenerysupplies.co.uk/scratch-build/model-bricks

Foam for me would be a pain as it'd have to be doped before mould making, and therein lies a chance of filling in all the lovingly crafted detail.

If you get any miscasts or rejects can I scrounge them for school?

Sure, unlikely for such a large fill mould but sure.  ;)
Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: roadskare63 on January 24, 2016, 12:35:53 PM
PURE INSANITY in the making.......1:48 scale bricks!!!!  :o o_o ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: 6milPhil on January 24, 2016, 06:36:04 PM
Well it's worth seeing which works best.

Had a little play doing the base of some brick pillars:
(http://i.imgur.com/XPZBTze.jpg)

Cut a tile course for the finishing of the brick laying because it's such a nice little detail and not because my measurements were a little out.
(http://i.imgur.com/m3nhDL0.jpg)

And viola finished! Around six hours to do, it's very fiddly and unlike the scribing remains so throughout, whereas with scribing once you've completed the basic layout you're freehanding. Scribed bricks for the repairs top right, I'll come back and detail those later.
(http://i.imgur.com/2grqX6n.jpg)

And a shadowed photo so you can see all the detail of the bricks themselves.
(http://i.imgur.com/nGoSrZf.jpg)

Not sure what to try next, to have laid a whole brick wall like the scribed one would have taken at least as much time but would have been more difficult. Next up I'm trying some Cranson foamboard, it's meant to be tougher than standard foam core board and has to be easier to work than foamex...  ???
Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: Silent Invader on January 24, 2016, 06:40:08 PM
Well Phil, you're doing a great job of convincing me that when I make my Georgian house I shall have to do so brick-by-brick. Most cool.  8)
Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: Burnin Coal on January 24, 2016, 08:39:09 PM
 8) major doffing of cap as jaw hits floor...outstanding work
Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: carlos marighela on January 24, 2016, 08:41:19 PM
Individual bricks, the sure sign that someone is serving ten to twenty at Her Majesty's pleasure or more likely, sectioned and detained on an indefinite basis. Eventually  they end up shanking a fellow inmate with a craft knife or scribe they've snuck back to their cell. An all too common story.

Lovely work though.
Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: roadskare63 on January 25, 2016, 10:47:38 AM
Oh Yeah Phil!!...I have seen a few folks do the brick by brick deal, and your effort is well worth the time as it/they look FANTASTIC!!
Keep up the awesome work man!
I have dabbled in very small projects with separate bricks...but I'm just a bit more fond of scribing them in...but I suppose it will be
determined by a particular need for a particular project!
Ciao4niao!!,
Carl
Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: gamer Mac on January 28, 2016, 02:11:35 PM
Uter madness
Great work :-*  :-* :-*
Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: Malebolgia on January 28, 2016, 02:24:27 PM
Respect man. Once built a diorama (link: http://paintoholic.nl/images/tooquiet/house_front.jpg) with about 2000 bricks and almost went nuts  during the process (well nut-ter probably). Terrible, won't do that again. So each time I see a fellow bricker, I tip my hat!
Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: pistolpete on January 28, 2016, 03:39:46 PM
why not just use sheet styrene with brick/paver pattern?  should be available from railroad shops.  but i'm way more lazy than you phil.
Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: gamer Mac on January 28, 2016, 06:30:20 PM
The sheets of plastic card are too regular for some builds
Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: Hawkeye on January 28, 2016, 09:50:45 PM
Is it possible, though, to make those sheets look less "regular" by distressing some bricks here and there, sanding some down here and there, and increasing the height/thickness of some of them with a layer of greenstuff, so that overall you get a sheet which of course is regular, but has enough irregularity to it to trick the eye into not seeing that it's mostly regular...or is that really too much work for the sort of effect you'd get? Just wondering, as I've scribed bricks into foam sheets in the past, and it's a real time-suck. Plus, plans for the future and all that, so any sort of information or ideas for alternative approaches help/s. Oh, I should say that both approaches look great here Phil! I think I might actually prefer the little bricks, rather than the scored foam (which of course still looks fantastic).
Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: flags_of_war on January 28, 2016, 10:52:16 PM
I lreally love the first one.. What is fomex?
Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: 6milPhil on January 29, 2016, 03:53:03 PM
Thanks guys.

Respect man. Once built a diorama (link: http://paintoholic.nl/images/tooquiet/house_front.jpg)...

Cor, but how brilliant does that look?

why not just use sheet styrene with brick/paver pattern?  should be available from railroad shops.  but i'm way more lazy than you phil.

I have done that in the past, wanted to try a couple of new techniques. I think plasticard works well for standard wear, but for extreme wear I think scribing works better. I've also done a little bricklaying with hand-cut cork bricks in the past, which was a upright wall (rather than this sideways approach against a surface and using glue as a mortar line) and that was very much quicker.

Is it possible, though, to make those sheets look less "regular" by distressing some bricks here and there...

Absolutely. It's also a matter of time, plasticard is quickest, scribing next quickest and brick laying the slowest. Also concentration levels are similar, I really had to stick my tongue out of my mouth for the majority of the bricklaying.

I lreally love the first one.. What is fomex?

Foamex is a rigid, hard wearing PVC that is compressed and very durable. It's called Foamex as it's made with a foam PVC which is then turned into sheets, although there's no visible bubbles. It main advantage for me is I can cast straight off of it.

Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: FramFramson on January 29, 2016, 06:19:05 PM
I've used the Noch foam brick sheets in the past and probably will again. The more rustic ones manage to avoid looking too regular.
Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: Hawkeye on January 29, 2016, 06:41:09 PM
I like the "sticking the tongue out" index of how much concentration is needed for something, Phil. I do it all the time, particularly painting miniatures, building miniature terrain, and so on. My wife thinks it's hilarious, and that she's only ever seen kids doing it. I was happy to prove her wrong, although she did make me self-conscious about it for a while!
Excellent work here, in case I haven't already said it.
Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: flags_of_war on January 29, 2016, 08:13:31 PM
Bought some foamex. I hope i bought the right stuff.
Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: 6milPhil on January 29, 2016, 09:42:38 PM
I've used the Noch foam brick sheets in the past and probably will again. The more rustic ones manage to avoid looking too regular.

I'm not familiar with that. Have you got a link?

I like the "sticking the tongue out" index of how much concentration is needed for something, Phil.

It's an official standard of measurement, like the metric system.  ;)

Bought some foamex. I hope i bought the right stuff.

I hope so too! Did you buy it from the link I gave above?


This is an effort for neater, newer brickwork. I've cut it out of foamex using a scalpel and iron rule. Cast windows whalloped in, sills and lintels, and a door.
(http://i.imgur.com/U8nhn5J.jpg)

First cast of the ruin, I cast it a little thick to allow for a bit to the back of the planks. Not sure why now.  ???
(http://i.imgur.com/wLx8s0L.jpg)

Another cast but with some liquid greenstuff schlopped on.
(http://i.imgur.com/BfJA3B6.jpg)

It tends to sink into gaps rather than fill them, so for the plastered wall look I'm aiming for it falls a little short.
(http://i.imgur.com/2mOslnM.jpg)

Even with sanding it's still a little ropey, but it does look like it's been painted so as an effect it's okay. Yes I am aware that I'm spending ages carving out detail and then going back and filling it in.  :-I
(http://i.imgur.com/Mcoqxu0.jpg)

Also made up a couple of columns for this one:
(http://i.imgur.com/CM8Wef8.jpg)

and a door for the front...
(http://i.imgur.com/a9uqn40.jpg)


Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 29/1
Post by: Hawkeye on January 29, 2016, 09:51:57 PM
Wow - excellent stuff, those castings. You didn't ask for an opinion, but I'm going to weigh in with one anyway - I really like the look of the liquid greenstuff on the casting as plastered brick. It's true that it might look a little more like whitewashed brick, but it's a wonderful effect. I'll be borrowing the liquid greenstuff idea - plus, on the sticking-the-tongue-out index I'd say it's probably only a 1 or a 2, which works for me.
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 29/1
Post by: Malebolgia on January 29, 2016, 09:52:30 PM
Wowie man! Excellent!
Title: Re: Bricking it.
Post by: FramFramson on January 30, 2016, 04:43:05 AM
I'm not familiar with that. Have you got a link?

See here, pages 42-53: http://www.noch.com/de/katalog/2015/hauptkatalog/index.html
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 29/1
Post by: DELTADOG on January 30, 2016, 10:43:33 AM
hmm Phil you bring me in the mood of trying those Brickwork for myself (Fallout Boston has tons of those Brickwork Buildings). It looks fantastic so far, The Door on the Last picture looks a bit to thin imo but the overall look is great.

What general Measurements you are using for that Wallsegments?
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 29/1
Post by: 6milPhil on January 31, 2016, 01:35:13 PM
Thanks fellas.

I really like the look of the liquid greenstuff on the casting as plastered brick. It's true that it might look a little more like whitewashed brick, but it's a wonderful effect. I'll be borrowing the liquid greenstuff idea - plus, on the sticking-the-tongue-out index I'd say it's probably only a 1 or a 2, which works for me.

It is a technique which has grown on me the more I've played with it. Like this it reminds me more of layers and layers of paint over decades.
(http://i.imgur.com/XPuDaE4.jpg)

It also works well for a rough bit of concrete where additions have been made, like this vent.
(http://i.imgur.com/91Jn0y1.jpg)

See here, pages 42-53: http://www.noch.com/de/katalog/2015/hauptkatalog/index.html

Thanks, those are nice. Not sure how happy they might be to have folk cast off of them though.  :?

The Door on the Last picture looks a bit to thin imo but the overall look is great.

What general Measurements you are using for that Wallsegments?

It's more a shutter door than a front door, there'll be four of these in a row and a door proper as well. Apols for not being clear enough. They're 100mm wide and 110mm high for two floors, can't recall the exact height of the three floored one. They all approximately 5mm thick, makes casting a little easier.


A little bit of brickwork laid the right way on an otherwise rendered building.
(http://i.imgur.com/mlEZwop.jpg)
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 31/1
Post by: OSHIROmodels on January 31, 2016, 02:08:17 PM
Great stuff  8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 31/1
Post by: Hawkeye on February 01, 2016, 07:06:51 PM
Lovely - the "layers of paint" effect with the liquid green stuff is excellent. Really enjoying this thread!
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 31/1
Post by: Mason on February 01, 2016, 07:35:06 PM
Thought I had better pop back over for a catch and....BLOODY HELL!
 :o :o :o


It all looks great, Phil.
 8) 8)



I love the GS 'paint' idea, that really works, but this frontage is simply amazing...

This is an effort for neater, newer brickwork. I've cut it out of foamex using a scalpel and iron rule. Cast windows whalloped in, sills and lintels, and a door.
(http://i.imgur.com/U8nhn5J.jpg)

 :-* :-* :-*

Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 31/1
Post by: 6milPhil on February 04, 2016, 09:19:54 PM
Thanks guys.

I've finished this one... off to the rubber with it.
(http://i.imgur.com/2U2bgLR.jpg)
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 31/1
Post by: OSHIROmodels on February 04, 2016, 09:22:33 PM
I'm liking these  8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 4/2
Post by: CarlLeyland on February 04, 2016, 10:37:17 PM
Fantastic work! Can I ask who manufactures the windows and doors? Casting these sections may make producing scenery for IHMN bearable!
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 4/2
Post by: carlos marighela on February 05, 2016, 01:41:03 AM
Very impressive work. The gungy brickwork is particularly good.
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 4/2
Post by: Harry on February 05, 2016, 08:39:51 AM
Great stuff.
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 4/2
Post by: Captain Blood on February 05, 2016, 12:50:58 PM
Very nice modelling Phil  8)
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 4/2
Post by: Thunderchicken on February 05, 2016, 06:20:20 PM
Looking fab Phil! Are you using this method for the front elevations only?
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 4/2
Post by: 6milPhil on February 06, 2016, 05:56:52 PM
Thanks guys.  8)

Fantastic work! Can I ask who manufactures the windows and doors? Casting these sections may make producing scenery for IHMN bearable!

I cast my own. You having problems casting yours? What's the problem? I might be able to help.

Looking fab Phil! Are you using this method for the front elevations only?

Well I'm starting with these, some of which can also be rears of course, and looking to making some whole buildings but without having massive moulds which are troublesome to cast and pricey to make. So still thinking about it all really.


First casts of the latest ones, photos a bit washed out for this one -apols.
(http://i.imgur.com/CWlM5yB.jpg)

And this one, with the glassed shutters and windows roughly in place, which is why they look crooked. The mortaring seems to have worked fine, however because of all the thin and quite deep detail on the mortar line I'm not sure how the mould will hold up. I'm now thinking it might be best to just lay the bricks, grout them and then tickle out the mortar lines a bit.
(http://i.imgur.com/G6ZZ3ZA.jpg)


Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 6/2
Post by: DELTADOG on February 06, 2016, 08:12:02 PM
Now Its visible what you meant with the shutters as i found the door to thin^^ It looks really great! Are you planning to sell some casts?
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 6/2
Post by: 6milPhil on March 15, 2016, 09:29:57 PM
Sorry for the slow reply. Yes indeed, I've done a bit more. The furthest I've got is with this kind of thing, held together with blu-tac at the moment.

(http://i.imgur.com/x198K7D.jpg)
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 15/3
Post by: Hu Rhu on March 16, 2016, 07:40:27 PM
Looking good.  Am following this with interest.
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 15/3
Post by: 6milPhil on March 17, 2016, 07:39:10 PM
I currently plodding along with this one. It's a cast of an earlier version given the Liquid Greenstuff treatment, shutters, a vent and hacked the door out so that'll be different from the original.

(http://i.imgur.com/Be8JKea.jpg)

To be able to cast it in one piece the shutters which aren't flat to the wall need some filling behind them, other wise the master will break coming out of the mould and it'll be a trifle awkward to cast, and to pull once cured.

Roughly at first
(http://i.imgur.com/CLfu7Kq.jpg)

Then smoothed and shaped, this will be sanded once dry.
(http://i.imgur.com/7xbu9J3.jpg)

Obvious at some angles
(http://i.imgur.com/lH1U6kb.jpg)

Generally not too bad
(http://i.imgur.com/UG3zyjN.jpg)

Realising that the over hanging hinges might be troublesome, so I'll be adding hinges to the brick work as details but also an integral vent.
(http://i.imgur.com/LPpyJHr.jpg)

Also made some roofing sections, three types.
(http://i.imgur.com/gC5Cs2T.jpg)

And dormer windows, made one maste,r cast it and will fit different windows in each one, WIP.
(http://i.imgur.com/tIprrlJ.jpg)


Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 17/3
Post by: Burnin Coal on March 19, 2016, 12:11:44 AM
Really impressive - loving the detailing in your work
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 17/3
Post by: Mr. Peabody on March 19, 2016, 04:49:14 PM
Very much like where this is going and a big fan of Slug Industries...

So I wanted to suggest a possible adjunct or alternative to all that Liquid Green Stuff. For years I've dabbled with making my own moulds and masters, guided by one of the chaps at the museum where I work part-time. He turned me on to acrylic gels & pastes for this kind of work.

I've been using Golden's High Solids Matte Gel (https://www.google.com/search?q=Golden+high+solids+matte+gel&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnxOeDl83LAhUQ0WMKHUf-DfYQ_AUICCgC&biw=1589&bih=867) and their Molding Paste (https://www.google.com/search?q=Golden+high+solids+matte+gel&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnxOeDl83LAhUQ0WMKHUf-DfYQ_AUICCgC&biw=1589&bih=867#safe=off&tbm=isch&q=golden+molding+paste) as a filler or adhesive, to add texture or detail and to skim-coat surfaces that might react with the mould rubber.

Some gels shrink a fair bit when they dry, but these two don't. At least not noticeably. They don't give a great surface to sand once dry, but you can attack them or remove them with ammonia like most acrylics. Windex for instance.

Hopefully a tub or two of acrylic goo is cheaper and more versatile than bottles of LGS.

Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 17/3
Post by: FramFramson on March 19, 2016, 05:38:03 PM
There's also the Vallejo plastic putty which is their competitor to liquid GS (it's just a Vallejo paint dropper full of 100% acrylic resin).
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 17/3
Post by: 6milPhil on March 19, 2016, 08:50:49 PM
Really impressive - loving the detailing in your work

Ta.  8)

Great tips fellas, thanks!

With the moulding paste, which I prefer the look of, whenit cures does it warp at all? Also whereabout do you get it in the UK?

Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 17/3
Post by: Mason on March 19, 2016, 09:41:08 PM
This may sound daft and you may have addressed it already in the thread but...why not just make the protruding parts separately to be stuck to the main wall section after moulding?

Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 17/3
Post by: 6milPhil on March 19, 2016, 10:58:54 PM
This may sound daft and you may have addressed it already in the thread but...why not just make the protruding parts separately to be stuck to the main wall section after moulding?


Apologies for not understanding what you're asking. Could you be more specific?
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 17/3
Post by: OSHIROmodels on March 20, 2016, 12:09:56 AM
I think he's on about elements like the angled shutters. Would it be worth doing the separately?

Great work on these Phil  8) 8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 17/3
Post by: 6milPhil on March 20, 2016, 12:26:54 AM
I think he's on about elements like the angled shutters. Would it be worth doing the separately?

Great work on these Phil  8) 8)

Thanks.

Ah yes I could, but I deliberate in going for a one piece facade. Not least because I know a lot of folk who want their scenic side of the hobby to be as quick and simple as poss. The idea and have behind these is to keep the number of pieces to an absolute minimum, and hence construction. It also saves time, one mould instead of X moulds, one mix, one pour, you get the picture.  

;)
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 17/3
Post by: 6milPhil on March 31, 2016, 05:54:10 PM
I'm happy with the scribed brick cast, looking forward to getting some paint on it.

(http://i.imgur.com/Yb1Adpj.jpg)

And a variant on that WIP

(http://i.imgur.com/0akQEAx.jpg)


On the filled shutter above a couple of posts do folk think it's too much? I can make it less prior to making a mould. I'd hate to make a mould to cast a model which folk thought was good except for that...
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 31/3
Post by: mcfonz on April 01, 2016, 11:18:43 AM
Lovely stuff Phil.

You know me, always sit on the fence. I can see both points of view in regards to the shutter.

I'm wondering whether it's worth a bit of both, so 90% of the shutters as they are, perhaps a couple not attached, so it's a case of a couple of shutters separate to add a bit of flavour or just glue on flat if you cba?
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 31/3
Post by: OSHIROmodels on April 01, 2016, 12:29:08 PM
Top job  :)

Looking forward to seeing them coloured in as well  8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 31/3
Post by: Sangennaru on April 07, 2016, 04:44:11 PM
Wow, I completely missed this trhead, you're doing great stuff here phil! :) Keep going!
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 31/3
Post by: 6milPhil on April 13, 2016, 01:08:56 AM
Thanks fellas.

Started getting some paint on them, it's made easier being able to paint what's effectively a flat, but it seems to be taking far too long...  :?

Not done any weathering yet, not sure whether estate-agent styled plain works better for a catalogue than fully weathered. Ideas?

(http://i.imgur.com/qFj4QxA.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/AMHMmhf.jpg)
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 31/3
Post by: Burnin Coal on April 13, 2016, 07:14:03 AM

Not done any weathering yet, not sure whether estate-agent styled plain works better for a catalogue than fully weathered. Ideas?

Couldn't there be both ? Like before and after.....they look great by the way
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 13/4
Post by: tomrommel1 on April 13, 2016, 07:33:59 AM
just stunning!!!!!!
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 13/4
Post by: Mr. Peabody on April 14, 2016, 06:14:33 AM
just stunning!!!!!!
Yes, very evocative pieces and perfect for just about any table.

Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 31/3
Post by: 6milPhil on May 03, 2016, 11:30:00 AM
Thanks fellas.

Couldn't there be both ?

I've settled on light weathering, yes I could do both but it's very time consuming.

Finally got the first few painted, I've used both emulsion in sample pots and hobby paints. The problem with all the bright ones has been coverage, three to fours coats each which really makes it drag. I've snapped some quick photos, these are now with a product photographer so expect really decent snaps soonish.

(http://i.imgur.com/RaHkZ3J.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/QaRCdba.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/kOuKUbk.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/gXUdGo3.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/m5CV8GS.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/V48PVPP.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/BxpuR67.jpg)

Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 3rd May
Post by: OSHIROmodels on May 03, 2016, 11:48:52 AM
Very sexy  ;D

cheers

James
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 3rd May
Post by: 6milPhil on May 07, 2016, 05:55:30 PM
Ta.

Got the first of the decent photos...

(http://i.imgur.com/IOGWgv2.jpg)
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 7th May
Post by: Captain Blood on May 07, 2016, 06:00:54 PM
Wow  :-*
Tres Francais!
Looks great.
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 7th May
Post by: 6milPhil on May 09, 2016, 04:59:03 PM
Merci mon ami!

Got the photos of all the finished ones and the roofing variants- http://imgur.com/a/q2npd#12 (http://imgur.com/a/q2npd#12)
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 9th May
Post by: tomrommel1 on May 10, 2016, 10:45:14 AM
 :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 9th May
Post by: 6milPhil on May 16, 2016, 07:30:11 PM
Thanks. 8)

I've started constructing them, resin onto an MDF shell, and it's a delight to see them finally come together.

(http://i.imgur.com/Zduv2c6.jpg)

Coping tiles, dorners, balconets, signage and chimneys to follow...
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 16th May
Post by: Mason on May 16, 2016, 07:56:05 PM
They look great, mate.
Very useful for so many genre's.
 :-* :-*

Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 16th May
Post by: FramFramson on May 16, 2016, 09:11:03 PM
Now those look JUST FINE!
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 16th May
Post by: tomrommel1 on May 18, 2016, 08:35:25 AM
these are really good looking buildings :-*
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 16th May
Post by: OSHIROmodels on May 18, 2016, 08:39:27 AM
Lovely jubbly  :D

cheers

James
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 16th May
Post by: 6milPhil on May 24, 2016, 09:26:44 PM
Thanks guys, I'm looking at KS'ing these sometime in June.

Meanwhile added the new door and hinges to this one so that's into rubber tonight.

(http://i.imgur.com/7oZ5rHf.jpg)

and the obligatory ropey photo of the whole thing...

(http://i.imgur.com/GqwGg3T.jpg)
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 24th May
Post by: 6milPhil on May 25, 2016, 09:43:10 PM
And the first cast worked perfectly. The master suffered a little damage in mould making, three of the shutters came off and there was a lot of tidying up to do... but jobs a good 'un.

(http://i.imgur.com/zjT5QJP.jpg)
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 25th May
Post by: Hammers on May 25, 2016, 09:58:45 PM
That's a fine piece of brickwork.
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 25th May
Post by: 6milPhil on May 29, 2016, 01:47:09 PM
Ta, got some paint on it now...

(http://i.imgur.com/THK8auO.jpg)
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 29th May
Post by: mcfonz on May 30, 2016, 10:06:20 PM
Those are looking rather tasty, really liking the direction with these!
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 29th May
Post by: Mason on May 31, 2016, 06:52:52 AM
That has come out very nicely indeed, old bean.
 8) 8)

Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 29th May
Post by: Hammers on May 31, 2016, 07:04:39 AM
I really like the glass effect. Maybe a tad too much raspberry? It makes it look as a synthetic paint has been used.
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 7th June
Post by: 6milPhil on June 07, 2016, 10:28:43 PM
Thanks guys.

I really like the glass effect. Maybe a tad too much raspberry? It makes it look as a synthetic paint has been used.

Knowing I had to paint a lot of windows I did wonder which effect might be best, so I asked brushmeister Duff and that was his suggestion. Tbh I want a variety of colours across the range, I did consider a BoB/SPR palette but thought I'd go more for a virtual estate agency look.

Small update, I thought I'd go for one of the large buildings being something a bit grand and decided to start with posho windows - Very much WiP...

(http://i.imgur.com/rEe5AFB.jpg)
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 7th June
Post by: 6milPhil on June 08, 2016, 07:47:05 PM
While that's sitting in a mould waiting to cure on with the frontage. I cut all the windows and door out of 3mm foamex, decided that wasn't quite thick enough so added a sheet of plasticard and cut the windows out again. This is in it's rough stage, about half an hour of trimming and sanding and it'll look much better.

(http://i.imgur.com/5tOgAUh.jpg)
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 8th June
Post by: 6milPhil on June 09, 2016, 06:28:46 PM
So getting a little bored waiting for all the windows to be cast, which takes at least two
 and a half hours, I thought I'd add some texture to this frontage. First I masked off
where a detail is going...
(http://i.imgur.com/mhjX03e.jpg)

Then covered it with filler which I worked a bit as it wants to settle smooth and I want
textured. I let it dry for about five minutes and then whipped off the masking tape.
(http://i.imgur.com/pY88l8s.jpg)

Once dry I sanded it down to make it quite subtle.
(http://i.imgur.com/Zk8XntD.jpg)

Finally all the windows were ready - Hurrah!
(http://i.imgur.com/On5WBXY.jpg)

Also I primed the laser cut balconettes, two types just rested on the model to give you
an idea.
(http://i.imgur.com/FkiCpG9.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/gu64xiw.jpg)

And painted one of the laser cut signs too...
(http://i.imgur.com/oKdsnKW.jpg)



Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 9th June
Post by: mcfonz on June 09, 2016, 06:35:36 PM
Fantassimo! :o
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 9th June
Post by: 6milPhil on June 12, 2016, 05:04:49 PM
Put the backing sheet on.
(http://i.imgur.com/JHawd8t.jpg)

I'm happy with the detail on the windows, which you can't really see in this photo  :?
(http://i.imgur.com/78qSTUd.jpg)

Added the nice architectural etail which I licensed from Fenris.
(http://i.imgur.com/6O8bOtA.jpg)
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 12th June
Post by: OSHIROmodels on June 12, 2016, 05:17:03 PM
Lovely work sweetie  :D

cheers

James
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 12th June
Post by: Mason on June 12, 2016, 07:07:34 PM
'Tis very nice indeed.
 :-*

Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 12th June
Post by: 6milPhil on June 17, 2016, 01:40:15 PM
Thanks Darlings.

Did bars on the basement windows...
(http://i.imgur.com/KV4KZJM.jpg)

...and a junction box
(http://i.imgur.com/J2c18fI.jpg)

and then a door, cheating on the window by getting it laser cut.
(http://i.imgur.com/tVw0nCs.jpg)

It's coming along
(http://i.imgur.com/UQHb1jy.jpg)

Staircase begun
(http://i.imgur.com/uwBP0dq.jpg)

Laser cut signage set will also have balconettes
(http://i.imgur.com/ZZ5PWW8.jpg)

and some more bleeding scribing...
(http://i.imgur.com/gPG24Ye.jpg)














Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 17th June
Post by: Calimero on June 21, 2016, 10:15:01 PM
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/Calimero_34/ZZ5PWW8_zpsh5n97wwd.jpg) (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Calimero_34/media/ZZ5PWW8_zpsh5n97wwd.jpg.html)

 ;)
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 17th June
Post by: OSHIROmodels on June 22, 2016, 12:25:49 AM
Quite the collection you're amassing  8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 17th June
Post by: 6milPhil on June 22, 2016, 06:58:00 AM
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/Calimero_34/ZZ5PWW8_zpsh5n97wwd.jpg) (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Calimero_34/media/ZZ5PWW8_zpsh5n97wwd.jpg.html)

 ;)

Oh dear, yes indeed - many thanks.

Quite the collection you're amassing  8)

Almost finished, hope to launch July!  8)
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 17th June
Post by: OSHIROmodels on June 22, 2016, 08:36:41 AM
Good man  :D

cheers

James
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 17th June
Post by: 6milPhil on July 16, 2016, 04:19:37 PM
Thanks.

Putting the finishing touches to all of these,

The balconettes...
(http://i.imgur.com/WZ6md4o.jpg)

The correct sign set...
(http://i.imgur.com/JBSUe8x.jpg)

A shop frontage...
(http://i.imgur.com/ULHyIhK.jpg)

Another small hovel...
(http://i.imgur.com/j896pZv.jpg)

and the Bank/town Hall/ etc...
(http://i.imgur.com/0OnIqlU.jpg)

There's a how-to for that last one here: http://imgur.com/a/7qDGa
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 16th July
Post by: OSHIROmodels on July 17, 2016, 11:13:42 AM
Love em all  :D

I particularly like the London stock colour  8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 16th July
Post by: YPU on July 17, 2016, 01:40:54 PM
I love the decorative brick pasterns with different colours you painted. that really brings it home for me.
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 16th July
Post by: MediumAl on July 17, 2016, 08:13:25 PM
On a site which has a lot of clever stuff on it, this is very impressive. If it's here and I've missed it, then apologies, but what do you use for moulding and casting?

Al
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 16th July
Post by: 6milPhil on July 17, 2016, 11:24:05 PM
Thanks guys.

Al, I use rubber and resin, and I'm lucky enough to have a vacuum chamber. If you want specifics on materials feel free to PM me.

I'm currently struggling with the clunky nature of Kickstarter, hope to launch it next week - watch this space!  :D
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 17th June
Post by: LordWriggly on July 18, 2016, 08:01:30 PM
Could it be that another sign is still wrong.

Shouldn't it be 'Quincaillerie' instead of 'Qunicaillerie'?
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 17th June
Post by: FramFramson on July 19, 2016, 07:05:04 PM
Could it be that another sign is still wrong.

Shouldn't it be 'Quincaillerie' instead of 'Qunicaillerie'?


Yes.
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 17th June
Post by: 6milPhil on July 19, 2016, 07:11:39 PM
Could it be that another sign is still wrong.

Shouldn't it be 'Quincaillerie' instead of 'Qunicaillerie'?


It should indeed, thanks!
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 16th July
Post by: YPU on July 19, 2016, 07:26:08 PM

I'm currently struggling with the clunky nature of Kickstarter, hope to launch it next week - watch this space!  :D


Good luck with that! Not an easy thing to do these days. But you have the impressive masters and testimonies to your castings done before.  :D
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 16th July
Post by: 6milPhil on July 19, 2016, 10:58:36 PM
Thanks.

TBH the hardest part of launching a KS, aside from doing all the work of course, is just how clunky their interface is - it's painfully slow, you can only load one picture at a time and with processing it can take up to around four minutes per photo, typing is slow - as in type a word, wait for it to appear, type the next word. If you format any type and then c'n'p it when you paste it all the formatting has gone - it's like the web in '95 over dial up - not what I expected from a site which generates so much funding...
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 16th July
Post by: YPU on July 20, 2016, 09:11:36 AM
Thanks.

TBH the hardest part of launching a KS, aside from doing all the work of course, is just how clunky their interface is - it's painfully slow, you can only load one picture at a time and with processing it can take up to around four minutes per photo, typing is slow - as in type a word, wait for it to appear, type the next word. If you format any type and then c'n'p it when you paste it all the formatting has gone - it's like the web in '95 over dial up - not what I expected from a site which generates so much funding...

It might be a test, anybody who doesn't have the patience so sit trough that probably shouldn't run a crowd-funding campaign.
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 16th July
Post by: 6milPhil on July 21, 2016, 03:16:06 PM
Perhaps, it just makes it more difficult than it ought to be.

Here's a preview of the KS, some finishing touches to be added,
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/718310363/1149778379?token=0028e857 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/718310363/1149778379?token=0028e857)

There's a dedicated thread about it here: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=92239.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=92239.0)
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 21st July
Post by: 6milPhil on January 10, 2017, 07:55:19 AM
...and the relaunched KS is live...
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/718310363/streetscape-28mm-wargaming-buildings (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/718310363/streetscape-28mm-wargaming-buildings)
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 21st July
Post by: FramFramson on January 15, 2017, 08:25:41 PM
That's looking mighty fine, mate. I think this time it should come out a real winner. See if you can get it mentioned on the various news feeds for minis, such as TGN, or MiniCréateurs.
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 21st July
Post by: 6milPhil on January 16, 2017, 12:35:40 AM
Thanks mate. I learnt a lot from getting it wrong last time so I've done a fair amount of promo in the run up to launch. The interesting part is having done that and come around to do a second wave of promo all the places I've gone to have picked up on it already.

MiniCréateurs looks interesting, not sure my French is up to it though.  :? :?
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 21st July
Post by: Treebeard on January 30, 2017, 10:59:53 AM


The correct sign set...
(http://i.imgur.com/JBSUe8x.jpg)



There's a type in the spelling of "Quincaillerie"

I could argue too that "Mme Crouch, Frères Brumby, M. Heaton doesn't sound very french if it was the goal.
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 21st July
Post by: carlos marighela on January 30, 2017, 11:58:41 AM
Phil,

Will any of the facades be available as stand alone items, ie sans the mdf dolls house? There's a couple there that would appeal as the facades for other building styles.

Oh and the detail items like the balconettes?
Title: Re: Bricking it. Update 21st July
Post by: 6milPhil on January 30, 2017, 12:52:11 PM
Yes those will be available. If you want to pledge and I can swop out the MDF kit for balconettes for you.