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Miniatures Adventure => Post-Apocalyptic Tales => Topic started by: Faust23 on February 10, 2016, 08:20:12 AM
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We’ve been keeping things pretty close to the vest about our Post-Apocalyptic book in the works, but we are now able to reveal and proud to announce that last year we signed a contract with Osprey Publishing to produce Scrappers: Post-Apocalyptic Skirmish Wargames for their Osprey Wargames division!
Scrappers will be a hardbound book complete with core rules based on the Brink of Battle skirmish system and with complete rules for campaign games in the wastelands of the near future! As with Brink of Battle, each Crew will range between 3-15 models per side.
Players assemble Recovery Crews who explore the ruins of ancient Earth for lost artifacts and scraps of useful technology fighting off enemy Crews in the process. Scrapper Crews can belong to one of six Factions or be freelancers selling their scraps of tech to the highest bidder. Crew members can be one of three Lifeform types: True Human, Mutant, or Synthetic. Rugged human survivors, mutated humanoids & animals, and deadly robots fight for every last piece of tech they can find!
Scrappers: Post-Apocalyptic Skirmish Wargames is targeted for release in the spring of 2017.
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Colour me interested! :)
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Colour me interested!
Ditto ;)
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any rules for vehicles? If you can build / adapt old vehicles ,then i'm in!
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We'll reveal more as we get closer to the release date. ;)
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Sounds interesting! I should find some information on the Brink of Battle system.
I definitly hope for some vehicles rules. That would make the game special. I believe the game needs something original in the wargames competition. Looting and fighting each other is kind of standard thing. I like the innovative ideas behind Frostgrave or the Walking Dead by Mantic for example. Dangerous environment and vehicles could be "the thing" for Scrappers.
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Will there also be miniatures released for the game? (like Frostgrave or In her Majesties name)
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Sounds interesting.
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The wasteland is growing!
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https://www.amazon.es/Scrappers-Post-Apocalyptic-Skirmish-Robert-Faust/dp/1472819268
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Looks quite interesting.
Anyone tried it, yet?
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It doesn't release until April 18th, 2017.
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The rules engine is from " Brink of battle", seems to be mor roleplay than tabletop.
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Thats incorrect. Its not roleplay at all.
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Ok, I saw RPG-things in it. At the end we try this ruleset several times and it was only boring for us. Found several better systems ...
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Watched the videos, I'm even more interested now than before!
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Hi, what videos are you referring to? I'm curious because we haven't done any yet.
Thanks,
Bob
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Hi, what videos are you referring to? I'm curious because we haven't done any yet.
Thanks,
Bob
LOL, I posted to the wrong thread... I thought I was posting for Last Day
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But maybe this (A video) would be a good idea to make it more playable. Too Fat Lardies made brilliant introduction videos for the first edition of Sharp Practice. Without them the rules were hard to understand.
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But maybe this (A video) would be a good idea to make it more playable. Too Fat Lardies made brilliant introduction videos for the first edition of Sharp Practice. Without them the rules were hard to understand.
Agreed!
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I'll be working on a video over the next few weeks.
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I took a look at the Amazon page, and have to ask, why did you go with a pretty sci-fi looking cover? I would never have guessed post-apoc by looking at it.
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Because its Post-Apocalyptic Sci-Fi. It's 350 years from now. Most PA games are lumped in the narrow band of Mad Max/Near Future. Ours is a bit past that.
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Ok, after MadMax means what? What kind of characters will we see? Farmers and traders???
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Thanks for clearing that up. When I think of P/A I generally think within the first generation or two, and later as some sort of sci-fi. But your explanation makes more sense. Cheers :D
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Because time of premiere is near, I think I must start painting more miniatures just to be ready on April. I have some old 4em postapo minis from scavengers line. But looking for advice/suggestions for other factions. Especially for mutants, robots, cultist ?
Thanks :)
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Well Brother Vinni has some 'not fallout' minis. Copplestone castings has some good ones and the great northstar plastic kits have a sci fi upgrade frame.
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I am still interested... need to paint something else than Fantasy and Dark Ages soon... lol
Seriously, a post-apoc game with a sort of hunter-gatherer objectives and perhaps some hard sci-fi stuff in it sounds like fun. I like objective/scenario driven games.
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Very cool looking stuff!
If it takes any of it's pedegree from Frostgrave, this is going to be a really fun game and I'll have to try it out.
Will there be demos at Adepticon?
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But looking for advice/suggestions for other factions.
I have pre-ordered the game and hope to use my Wreck-Age minis ...
http://lifeonjasoom.blogspot.com/2017/02/gallery-wreck-age-and-broken-contract.html
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Those will work just fine!
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Ive got a ton of Judge Dredd renegade robots, would I be able to use them in this game ?
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You can use any minis you have. As long as they look like they are equipped and are armed appropriately. Open sandbox for conversions and re-purposed figures that are sitting on your shelf! :)
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Here's the updated link to Osprey Games:
https://ospreypublishing.com/scrappers
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Just seen this on fb. Had completely slipped under the radar for some reason..
Is there likely to be an accompanying figure range like Frostgrave, despite the ability to use various figures?
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At present no. If the game does well, we may see a supporting range.
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Here's a look. http://miniaturegamingguide.com/scrappers-osprey-games-this-was-previously-a-prime-members/
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Thanks for the link. The book looks good but I'd like to know more about the actual rules.
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Out of curiosity is this effectively Brink of Battle SciFi?
I love the BoB Rules and had been awaiting the above.
Will be grabbing Scrappers either way, just wondered.
~Eric
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Out of curiosity is this effectively Brink of Battle SciFi?
Yes:"Scrappers" is pretty much a progression based on the same rules system, though with a post-apocalyptic theme, cleaner rules and the production values of Osprey Games titles packed into a very beautiful hardback rulebook with artwork matching the quality of Fantasy Flight Games RPG books like Edge of the Empire.
Source: http://anatolisgameroom.blogspot.com/2017/02/scrappers-review.htmlThe book looks good but I'd like to know more about the actual rules.
Check out the link above.
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After reading a couple of BoB reviews, I feel quite excited about this rulebook. It seems that my old Ratkin could easily serve as Ecotopians - with a small addition of one or two mutants :)
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Good time to get into post apocalyptic gaming.
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Yes:Source: http://anatolisgameroom.blogspot.com/2017/02/scrappers-review.html
Thanks Manchu, but that's not exactly what I was looking for.
I guess to clarify, I was asking Faust if there were to be any more BoB stand alone sets or if he was planning to go through Osprey for everything from now on. I would certainly welcome Osprey reissue of the Historical and Fantasy versions of his rules as well.
Again, I am getting Scrappers either way.
~Eric
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I'm really curious about this game...it will be hard to wait until the release...
mmm...i think i'll have a ride in my DeLorean lol
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Out of curiosity is this effectively Brink of Battle SciFi?
I love the BoB Rules and had been awaiting the above.
Will be grabbing Scrappers either way, just wondered.
~Eric
Yes, its core mechanics are a refined and leaner version of the Brink of Battle rules. It was tailored for the setting and the prevalence of firearms, etc. and is Sci-Fi Post-Apocalypse. The sci-fi elements are there as Artifacts that are found in the ruins of the Ancients. The firearms manufactured and most of the gear models will use are closer to our era with some exceptions. Oh, and the world is mutated with angry robots running around, so its one helluva a party!
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Thanks Manchu, but that's not exactly what I was looking for.
I guess to clarify, I was asking Faust if there were to be any more BoB stand alone sets or if he was planning to go through Osprey for everything from now on. I would certainly welcome Osprey reissue of the Historical and Fantasy versions of his rules as well.
Again, I am getting Scrappers either way.
~Eric
This is our first time working with a publisher, and Phil & Joe at Osprey have been great to work with. I was concerned that there might be interference from an editorial standpoint since I had self published the first two BoB books. But we had a great experience and were really happy with the feedback from Phil as well as his suggestions that led to a better product in the end. We're really happy with the outcome and hope you all agree. :D
That being said, we do have more BoB-verse projects that we'll get back to under our Strategic Elite label. Whether those books will fit into Osprey's publishing schedule or not will be determined at that time. Since we've had a great experience I certainly hope to do more with them. However, they don't prefer 2nd editions of extant games, so we'd probably do that in house when the time comes.
Thanks Eric for your support and business!
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After reading a couple of BoB reviews, I feel quite excited about this rulebook. It seems that my old Ratkin could easily serve as Ecotopians - with a small addition of one or two mutants :)
That's perfect viable! Or you could make them a Freelancer Crew full of mutants. Endless options await you in April. :D
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Here's Sneak Peek #2
http://scrappersomegazone.blogspot.com/2017/03/scrappers-sneak-peek-2.html
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Interesting, definitely something I will look at while at Salute.
Thanks.
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Here's Sneak Peek #2
http://scrappersomegazone.blogspot.com/2017/03/scrappers-sneak-peek-2.html
Lots of options but keeping it simple - loving it!
Btw. the fluff feels really fresh and interesting.
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Thanks!
So we just learned that the Osprey booth at Adepticon is selling copies of Scrappers!
If you're at the con, go have a look! :)
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Sneak Peek #3 - All things Robots!
http://scrappersomegazone.blogspot.com/2017/03/scrappers-sneak-peek-3.html
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Hmmm, I see some additions to my Rogue Stars robot collection there.
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Picked this up at Adepticon. Super excited after a quick flip-through... Very nice production quality and looks like it will be fun to play.
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Picked this up at Adepticon. Super excited after a quick flip-through... Very nice production quality and looks like it will be fun to play.
Thanks for your business and welcome to the Omega Zone!
Bob
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Anvil Industries Ajax unit as an Architech Warshell for Scrappers
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Nice mech/robot.
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Picked this up at Adepticon. Super excited after a quick flip-through... Very nice production quality and looks like it will be fun to play.
I expext proper reviews right after Adepticon! :)
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Awesome! Let me know if you have any questions. And thanks for your business!
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Here's the 'How To' guide from the Scrappers rulebook on how to build your Scrapper Crew.
http://scrappersomegazone.blogspot.com/2017/04/how-to-build-your-scrappers-crew.html
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What's the game rationale behind the survival of the sort of highly advanced technology that can build AI autonomous robots?
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What's the game rationale behind the survival of the sort of highly advanced technology that can build AI autonomous robots?
The rationale is that its a fall from future tech. The Apocalypse happens 200 years from now as Mankind is preparing to colonize other worlds. The game takes place 150 years after that. That's a thumbnail sketch, but its why there are dilapidated robots running around on the hunt for scraps of Ancient tech just like their True Human and Mutant counterparts.
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I'm really looking forward about this rules :-*
I know that the hard cover edition will be available from osprey next week but do you know if it will be the same for the pdf edition ?
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Really enjoying reading through this! I recommend it to anyone into PA miniatures stuff.
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Somehow I missed that this was coming along so soon and that it was based on BoB.
Really good to hear. The club gave BoB for fantasy a read-through a while back. The core of the rules seemed good, but we were a bit overwhelmed with all the extras. If this is a streamlined version, it might make it to our table.
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Really enjoying reading through this! I recommend it to anyone into PA miniatures stuff.
Thanks for your business and kind assessment!
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Somehow I missed that this was coming along so soon and that it was based on BoB.
Really good to hear. The club gave BoB for fantasy a read-through a while back. The core of the rules seemed good, but we were a bit overwhelmed with all the extras. If this is a streamlined version, it might make it to our table.
It hits the market next Tuesday! And you'll really enjoy the streamlining we've done. Our discussions and feedback with you guys from a couple of years ago were not forgotten! :)
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Got my copy last week and started reading it. It is really better than expected. Tried BoB, but this was not our cup of tea. But Scrappers is very nice. A very good background, open to a lot of miniatures. The engine is complex, not so easy like all these "songs of"-games. The games tend more to easy RPG with Miniatures, true skirmish game. The Background is very good written with a lot of space for the gamers to add own ideas. Thanks, Mr. Faust, well done. Now my complete Endtimeers found a place to fit in and also some Sci-fi-Figures without a system...
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Got my copy last week and started reading it. It is really better than expected. Tried BoB, but this was not our cup of tea. But Scrappers is very nice. A very good background, open to a lot of miniatures. The engine is complex, not so easy like all these "songs of"-games. The games tend more to easy RPG with Miniatures, true skirmish game. The Background is very good written with a lot of space for the gamers to add own ideas. Thanks, Mr. Faust, well done. Now my complete Endtimeers found a place to fit in and also some Sci-fi-Figures without a system...
You are most welcome! We're glad it scratches the itch. Thanks for your support HH! :)
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You are most welcome! We're glad it scratches the itch. Thanks for your support HH! :)
One thing would be great. The list for play as PDF-Download, better as Word/Excel. Osprey is very slow in putting it to their Website, very slow....
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We have color & greyscale playsheets in the Downloads section of our website here
http://www.brinkofbattle.com/downloads/scrappers_reference_sheet.pdf
and http://www.brinkofbattle.com/downloads/scrappers_reference_sheetbw.pdf
Alan should have the Crew Roster and Crew Build Sheet done today and we'll get them posted up too.
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I'm excited about this from a gamer angle but also with Business Annie hat on, could be good for my Ghosts of Gaia range :)
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We have color & greyscale playsheets in the Downloads section of our website here
http://www.brinkofbattle.com/downloads/scrappers_reference_sheet.pdf
and http://www.brinkofbattle.com/downloads/scrappers_reference_sheetbw.pdf
Alan should have the Crew Roster and Crew Build Sheet done today and we'll get them posted up too.
Thank you, good news
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I'm excited about this from a gamer angle but also with Business Annie hat on, could be good for my Ghosts of Gaia range :)
I just looked up your GoG range. I will dare say Scrappers is the perfect ruleset & setting for your range on the market today. :)
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I just looked up your GoG range. I will dare say Scrappers is the perfect ruleset & setting for your range on the market today. :)
Agreed. Just checked them out, very nice. Definately going to look at picking them up in the future.
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Brilliant! I was trying to be a stealth spam then instead of thread derailer :D I'll pick up a copy when it's out and see if I can get some good deals/gangs made out of my ladies. Next Kickstarter is out in a couple of weeks too with 14 more, so there'll be plenty to choose from!
I'll stop my plugging now :D :D
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Sounds great!
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Brilliant! I was trying to be a stealth spam then instead of thread derailer :D I'll pick up a copy when it's out and see if I can get some good deals/gangs made out of my ladies. Next Kickstarter is out in a couple of weeks too with 14 more, so there'll be plenty to choose from!
I'll stop my plugging now :D :D
One last question, where is your range. Cant't find them in your shop.... :(
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I think this is the general location:
http://badsquiddogames.com/shop#!/Bad-Squiddo-Games/c/22484256/offset=0&sort=normal (http://badsquiddogames.com/shop#!/Bad-Squiddo-Games/c/22484256/offset=0&sort=normal)
They might be on the pre-orders:
http://badsquiddogames.com/shop#!/Pre-Orders/c/22874228/offset=0&sort=normal (http://badsquiddogames.com/shop#!/Pre-Orders/c/22874228/offset=0&sort=normal)
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They're in the pre order section, but ready to ship now :) When I get a moment I'll move them to the right sections in the shop, but currently it's all SALUTE SALUTE SALUTE.
Cheers!
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On sale NOW at all fine retailers everywhere!
https://ospreypublishing.com/scrappers
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Amazon says my copy should arrive tomorrow.
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Arrg! I've got a copy in my Amazon cart but I know if I click 'Buy', finishing our Home-brewed, STALKER-themed PA rules will drop waaaaaay down on the To Do list.
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Got it. Feels over detailed, not my cup of tea. The same happened to me with Rogue Stars and many others. Too many special rules for every model; maybe I'm just too old for this, I'd like to be concentrating more on the game, the models and their role than to the many special effects.
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Got it. Feels over detailed, not my cup of tea. The same happened to me with Rogue Stars and many others. Too many special rules for every model; maybe I'm just too old for this, I'd like to be concentrating more on the game, the models and their role than to the many special effects.
Are you more of an army gamer and not a man-to-man skirmish gamer? Just curious. :)
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Are you more of an army gamer and not a man-to-man skirmish gamer? Just curious. :)
Actually I really like the skirmish experience, but I prefer games where I can create my Warband in a few minutes and have to deal with 5/6 special rules. Anyway this is really only a personal taste. Scrappers is well written, beautifully produced and has a really strong bg.
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One thing you could try is reducing all traits by one, choose only one trait for vets and 0 for regular troops. You will have to worry about 3-4 traits by warband and that is it.
When we do historical BoB sometimes our warbands are pretty standard and the game is still very enjoyable.. don't think you need to use all the traits.
We usually have one player create two fluffy warbands and fight the same game twice switching sides in 4-5 hs
just my two cents since you already have the rules, I think you will still like it using the rules like that.
Francisco
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I agree with what Francisco said. You don't have to play with all of the rules for models if that's too much for your liking. You really only need to use one Trait which is for your Commander and the rest you can drop.
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Oh go on then, I think my arm has been twisted sufficiently!
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One thing you could try is reducing all traits by one, choose only one trait for vets and 0 for regular troops. You will have to worry about 3-4 traits by warband and that is it.
When we do historical BoB sometimes our warbands are pretty standard and the game is still very enjoyable.. don't think you need to use all the traits.
We usually have one player create two fluffy warbands and fight the same game twice switching sides in 4-5 hs
just my two cents since you already have the rules, I think you will still like it using the rules like that.
Francisco
Thanks Francisco, it would do indeed. But yet, tell me, do not also weapons and equipment have their special rules?
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They do. But you could really pare things down. Not hard to do.
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Thanks a lot, gentlemen, I'll give it a try after all. Cheers!
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Hi Bob, I bought both Bob versions and will snap this up. Look forward to the streamlined version.
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I think you'll be pleased!
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Any game reports around on this? Id like to see the flow of the game.
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Any game reports around on this? Id like to see the flow of the game.
This'll get you started http://anatolisgameroom.blogspot.com/2017/03/mutants-in-hot-zone-scrappers-aar.html
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This'll get you started http://anatolisgameroom.blogspot.com/2017/03/mutants-in-hot-zone-scrappers-aar.html
Thank you!
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Really interested in the this game, seems a lot more my thing than Rogue Stars which I (and my local group) bounced right off. Just ordered the book, hopefully sneak in a few games before everyone is distracted to that other big game!
I'd planned to use RS as a game to play with my Ghosts of Gaia minis, but I think they'll fit here too. Which gives me an excuse to back the second one!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1512506318/ghosts-of-gaia-two-reinforcements-28mm-scifi-femal (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1512506318/ghosts-of-gaia-two-reinforcements-28mm-scifi-femal)
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Played our first games of Scrappers last night. I say games, we managed to play 3 but only because none of them went beyond turn one.
The game works quite well. The rules are a nightmare to get straight to start with as all the relevant bits are scattered around the book rather than being grouped together. We spent a lot of time with me frantically trying to find a rule I was sure I'd read but now couldn't find (no index, not enough detail on the contents page, on top of the layout problems). Once you get your head around it though, the core rules come together very well and it all flows very nicely.
The reason we never got past turn 1 though is that shooting seems incredibly deadly. Despite everybody hugging cover (and we had LOTS of cover) at least one of us was taking (and failing) rout checks at the start of turn 2. I can't comment on close combat, as nobody got anywhere near it.
I'd like to check that we're doing damage correctly, as the way we played it it seems like the wound threshold is completely irrelevant. If the Damage Check result (i.e. the attacker's roll plus modifiers) beats the wound threshold the target is wounded and removed. But given that the defender's resistance check is likely going to be at least equal to their wound threshold (CON+ARM+dice roll was at least a 6+, even with lightly armoured models), every single hit that beat the resistance was a wound. Are we doing this right? The way the rules are worded seems completely unambiguous, but it doesn't quote make sense.
Apologies if this seems overly negative. We really did enjoy the games, but as it stands the prospect of every game being a one-turn shootout doesn't have much long-term appeal.
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"If the Damage Check result (i.e. the attacker's roll plus modifiers) beats the wound threshold the target is wounded and removed. But given that the defender's resistance check is likely going to be at least equal to their wound threshold (CON+ARM+dice roll was at least a 6+, even with lightly armoured models), every single hit that beat the resistance was a wound. Are we doing this right?"
mmm... nope that is not correct :)
The attacker rolls a d10 + weapon damage + any bonus from the to hit roll
The defender rolls a d10 + CON + Armor
* If th attackers total is less than defenders total nothing happens.
* If the attackers total matches or beats the defender's total but by less than the wound thrshold ( example, matches or wins by 1,2,3,4 if wnd threshold is 5 ) then the defender is shocked.
* If he beats the defender roll by more than that thrshold, ie d10 +"weapon bonus + bonus from hit is 5 or more higher ( in that example ) than defender d10 + CON + Armor then defender is wounded.
Given the results from the opposed die roll curve ( pretty gaussian in nature ) this is not that easy and the shocked result is more common than wound result..
Let me give you an example...
I shoot with my assault rifle and I hit my target beating the defender roll by 2 ( 2 is now part of my damage bonus )..
Now roll to wound :
Then I roll a D10 and I get an 6 , I add my weapon damage of 4 ( assault rifle ) and my bonus of 2 from my hit.. my total is 12..
The defender, who has a wound threshold of 5, happens to have a CON of 4 and Amor 2 , so he adds a total of 6 to his roll ( CON + ARM ).
* if he rolls a 7 then his total is 7 +4 +2 = 13.. my 12 is less than his 13 .. nothing happens
* if he rolls a 5 then his total is 5 + 4 +2 = 11 .. so I beat him, 13 to 12.. I only beat him by 1 ! 1 is less than wound threshold of 5 so the target is only shocked !!
* To wound the model given my 6 die roll the defender would need to roll a 1 on a D10 .. then he would have 1 + 4 + 2 = 7 and then my 12 would beat his 7 by 5 points, the wound threshold.. only then the target is wounded. ( if the wound threshold were 6 I would need to beat his result by 6 )
I have 4 games of scrappers done and never finished a game in one turn !
See if that makes sense and if you guys were doing it wrong.
Strange about the rules, to me they are well organized, traits , part 1 , mechanics part 2... indexes of course would always be welcomed :) but those are tough to come by in our hobby :)
Hope this helps, if not ask again and maybe we can figure out what you guys might be doing wrong..
Another thing to remember.. use ambush... it is a very useful action..
cheers
Francisco
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Francisco is correct. The way you were figuring the outcome of the Damage/Resistance Checks was the hang up.
The other main thing I see missing is that you don't mention anyone going into Ambush. The Ambush action removes ALL Line of Sight from enemy models, thereby making it impossible to target them until they become detected and are no longer in Ambush. So instead of just moving up to Concealment and/or Cover, use the Ambush Action while doing so and they can't target you. That will fix your main concern of getting shot to death in the first turn.
Now, if you waltz out there as some other games allow you to without realistic consequences, then you'll get shot in the face in this game. lol
Thanks for your business and we hope to hear how your games turn out with these adjustments.
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A couple of points:
We were using ambush, but it was largely irrelevant since models were getting shot before they had a chance to take their first action. Unless I've missed something (always possible) you can't start the game in ambush.
I'm happy, and indeed relieved, that we were playing the damage rules wrong. However I maintain that we were playing them by rules-as-written. Under "Determine Injury Results" it says "If the Damage Check result equals or exceeds the Resistance Check result then the Defender becomes Shocked." Then the next paragraph says "If the Damage Check result equals or exceeds the Defender's Wound Threshold..." For what you've said to be correct, the meaning of "damage check result" would have to change from one paragraph to thr next.
I'd suggest that you need an errata to read something like "If the difference between the Damage Check result and the Resistance check result equals or exceeds the Defender's Wound Threshold..."
Bear in mind that, unlike Francisco, we're not veterans of BoB so we only have the rules in the Scrappers rulebook to go by.
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Absolutely correct, you cannot start in ambush in the standard scenario. Unless you have a trait like infiltrator.
I don't have my book at hand, looks like you caught an errata and it is critical to bring it up ! I clearly missed it by reading what I expected to read :).
Totally agree that Scrappers needs to stand on it's own, that is how it is designed. Looks lika a good catch, hopefully Bob Faust will add it quickly to the errata's. Fortunately they appear to be low.. maybe just 3 or 4, but this one is critical to understand the mechanic.
I hope my explanation helped, I believe from your proposed rephrasing that you have it right now. I can see how shocked never came into play and you lost so many guys so quickly ! Well, hopefully with this correction you'll get to play the full game...
I'll go check my book when I get home, I didn't notice that wording, clearly my previous bias from BoB :) ...
cheers
Francisco
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For what it's worth, your explanation mirrored the way we thought it probably should work but fir our first games we were going with rules-as-written.
Also, the carnage wasn't helped by the fact that in our first game my opponent lost 2 models to an exploding sandwich. :?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... exploding sandwitch.... priceless !!!!
Ok.. please give it another try and tell me about it.. I swear, once you get the rules down the game is a ton of fun... Replayability is astonoshing and the game turns very tactical...
Exploding sandwitch.. epic !! Never go to war hungry when visiting Gamma Zones
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Ok, after re-reading ChaosChilds comments I see that when we revised this passage we made the mental leap from checking the difference between the checks and then comparing it to the Wound Threshold of the model. The follow text should clarify it and I will add it to our errata asap. Tell me if its more clear now.
Here's the revision we'll make to the errata doc:
"If the Damage Check result exceeds the Resistance Check by the Defender’s Wound Threshold or more, then it has been Wounded and is removed from play."
That being said, BoB and Scrappers is modeled on realistic combat results, so yes, its probably more deadly than other games you've played. However, its only 'Wounded', not Killed. You then make your Trauma Checks in the post game and only have a 2% chance that the model was killed outright. Most often its an injury or other result that isn't killed. So its not as 'deadly' in actual fact. And that's the Fiction part of Science Fiction Skirmish Game. ;)
And....exploding sandwich? I don't recall penning that particular hazard. Details! Give us details! lol
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Yes, that seems perfectly clear. Like I said, that's pretty much how we assumed it should work, so it's great to have that confirmed.
Oh, and the exploding sandwich was an event. My opponent's veteran picked up a scrap counter and got an event. We rolled up Gear + Event, the gear turned out to be "Extra Rations for Crew". His response was "So basically, I've found some sandwiches". Then we rolled for the extra event and got Boom! The blast took out his veteran, plus his leader who was standing too close. Obviously one of the sandwiches was booby-trapped.
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Hahaha... best after action report I ever read ...
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Ok, that's just awesome! lol
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That explanation might have convinced me to check out this game in a single blow. I love when a game has random combinations like that turn into cool stories.
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hahaha... in the standard scenario your crew has to go pic up items.. once per game one of those items will trigger an event... fun things happen then :)
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OK, so finally got a chance to play again tonight. Same opponent as last time. Things ran a lot better now that the damage rules are correct, we actually made it through 3 whole turns before I failed a rout test.
We did have a couple of questions regarding panic tests and broken models.
1: When a model fails a panic check and becomes broken, does it lose its action token? It seems like it should but there's nothing in the rules to say so. If it keeps its action token can it take a steady action on the same turn it becomes broken?
2: How do broken models move? In the random movement rules on p84 it says the direction is determined by the rules for panic checks (i.e. away from the source of panic). But in the rules for broken models on p110 it says rhey move towards the nearest table edge. Which is correct?
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OK, so finally got a chance to play again tonight. Same opponent as last time. Things ran a lot better now that the damage rules are correct, we actually made it through 3 whole turns before I failed a rout test.
Yay! Thanks for being open minded and giving it another go! I appreciate that so much. :)
We did have a couple of questions regarding panic tests and broken models.
1: When a model fails a panic check and becomes broken, does it lose its action token? It seems like it should but there's nothing in the rules to say so. If it keeps its action token can it take a steady action on the same turn it becomes broken?
No, an Active model that fails a Panic Check and becomes Broken does not lose its Action Token. And yes, when its controlling Player has Priority it may execute a Steady Action on that model within the same Turn it becomes Broken.
2: How do broken models move? In the random movement rules on p84 it says the direction is determined by the rules for panic checks (i.e. away from the source of panic). But in the rules for broken models on p110 it says rhey move towards the nearest table edge. Which is correct?
When a model fails a Panic Check it moves away from the source of the Panic, usually a model or models. After that initial movement, when in the SitRep of subsequent Turns in which it may still be Broken, it moves toward the nearest table edge.
Let us know how your next games play out with these clarifications in mind. ;)
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What happens to unclaimed scrap markers at game end? Lost to the mists? Seems a bit like punishing you for winning too hard if the enemy runs away before you can grab anything.
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I'm confused about weapon load outs. The example in the book gives a single figure both a 2-handed gun and a 2-handed melee weapon so can you swap about at will? And if so does that mean regardless of other gear, you can benefit from a shield from every attack against you, other than maybe a melee counter-attack when you used both hands on the original attack?
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End of game... unclaimed tokens stay there...nobody gets them !
Correct on weapons loadouts, turnscale is such that switching equipment is free, so you do get your shield for example as long as you are not in a situation like you described, getting counterattacked while attacking with two handed weapon or any other situation where you have indicated you might be using a two handed weapon, or smiliar. It is an abstraction on the turn scale system...
99.9999% sure on these
Don't forget about encumbrance, and don't forget that only free encumbrance can be used to get scrap tokens, so watch out for that if you overload your guys with equipment ! But if you can wing it... you can take your shield getting the cover and then in your turn pull that two handed shotgun that you take "for close encounters, ya' know" just like Corporal Hicks.
Bob can probably stop by in the week and confirm these answer but I am six sigmas sure as I said before !
Cheers
Francisco
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Francisco is correct.