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Miniatures Adventure => Age of the Big Battalions => Topic started by: Shipka on February 18, 2016, 09:28:53 AM

Title: Warsaw National Guard 1831 -Help?
Post by: Shipka on February 18, 2016, 09:28:53 AM

The picture below shows some figures of The National Guard , the figures on the left are easily identifiable,  however any help on uniform colours on the ones to the right of pic ...your views!

Title: Re: Warsaw National Guard 1831 -Help?
Post by: gringo on February 18, 2016, 11:22:11 AM

very nice Shikpa! :D

regards
Ged
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Title: Re: Warsaw National Guard 1831 -Help?
Post by: AWu on February 18, 2016, 02:40:05 PM

I will ask when i can, but I suspect they are normal uniforms in winter coats.

Title: Re: Warsaw National Guard 1831 -Help?
Post by: Shipka on February 18, 2016, 03:41:37 PM

Interesting I had wondered that but pics of greatcoats I have appear longer, the other point that made me question this , is the colour of the trousers appears to be the same brown..although on one of the figs they could be dark grey or indigo blue.

Title: Re: Warsaw National Guard 1831 -Help?
Post by: AWu on February 18, 2016, 03:46:25 PM

The picture is so small I get pixels when i try to zoom

Where it is from ?
That could help

Title: Re: Warsaw National Guard 1831 -Help?
Post by: Shipka on February 18, 2016, 04:00:59 PM

I will try and find source or artist, I found it searching online

Title: Re: Warsaw National Guard 1831 -Help?
Post by: Kingscarbine on February 18, 2016, 07:08:24 PM

Here's the postcard with the info on the back.

Title: Re: Warsaw National Guard 1831 -Help?
Post by: Shipka on February 18, 2016, 07:52:33 PM

Thanks Nuno, the larger pic makes it clearer that the trousers are same shade of brown as the tunic/coat.........still not sure about the unit appears to be a Jewish one but all info I have was they were n
ot issued with muskets but armed with pikes.facing/cuff colours poss black.The trouble is the description appears to relate to the figs in the foreground on the left.

Title: Re: Warsaw National Guard 1831 -Help?
Post by: AWu on February 18, 2016, 08:16:41 PM

Well the info on the post cards make them Straż bezpieczeństwa - That was paramilitary police formation used to disarm commoners. Each householder in Warsaw was member of this unit.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Warszawska_stra%C5%BC_bezpiecze%C5%84stwa_1830.jpg)

(http://dziennikipowstania.pl/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/SDC10063.jpg)

Much more probably is that they are Gwardia miejska,
Jewish unit was Gwardia miejska Starozakonna:
(http://dziennikipowstania.pl/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/SDC10080.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/%C5%BBydowska_Stra%C5%BC_Bezpiecze%C5%84stwa_by_JN_G%C5%82owacki.jpg/170px-%C5%BBydowska_Stra%C5%BC_Bezpiecze%C5%84stwa_by_JN_G%C5%82owacki.jpg)

I cannot find much about their uniform. They were jewish people that did not want to shave their beards to the lenght to be able to serve in Gwardia narodowa.
(http://grafik.rp.pl/g4a/787061,388893,9.jpg)

Only unit that saw battle fought during siege of Warsaw. It did not had guns though.. at least they are not shown with any on contemporary polish illustrations.


here is another illustration that wont do you any help :)
It is from german source (and shows very strange uniforms and muskets)
(http://grafik.rp.pl/g4a/787061,388891,9.jpg)



Generally speaking - Look here
http://dziennikipowstania.pl/powstanie-listopadowe/

Title: Re: Warsaw National Guard 1831 -Help?
Post by: Shipka on February 18, 2016, 09:13:49 PM

An interesting assortment I hadnt run across those pencil sketches before illustrating a wide variety of semi civillian dress. The German plate I believe illustrates uniforms circa 1815. You must have a good research library!

Title: Re: Warsaw National Guard 1831 -Help?
Post by: AWu on February 18, 2016, 10:28:03 PM

I am researching in Polish :>