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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: Jockjay on April 25, 2016, 08:54:44 AM
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Thought I would just mention in the title, if you want pics, this is not the thread you are looking for...
But, I am looking to kit bash some House Greyjoy stuff together in the next month or so, and was wondering, as there are so many GoT aficionados here, what kits to use to create the right sort of look.
After reading the books (in real time, as in when they were released) I always imagined the Greyjoys to be more of a raiding force with a viking sort of look and feel about them, but that era of kit (in our history) is fairly old school compared the the WotR stuff usually depicted.
Would viking stuff work and of so which manufacturer does great plastic vikings in 28mm.
Oh ruleset will probably be Saga.
Many thanks in advance
Jay,
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Thought I would just mention in the title, if you want pics, this is not the thread you are looking for...
But, I am looking to kit bash some House Greyjoy stuff together in the next month or so, and was wondering, as there are so many GoT aficionados here, what kits to use to create the right sort of look.
After reading the books (in real time, as in when they were released) I always imagined the Greyjoys to be more of a raiding force with a viking sort of look and feel about them, but that era of kit (in our history) is fairly old school compared the the WotR stuff usually depicted.
Would viking stuff work and of so which manufacturer does great plastic vikings in 28mm.
Oh ruleset will probably be Saga.
Many thanks in advance
Jay,
Hello Jay
Gripping Beast have some decent plastic Vikings/Saxons/Hirdmen kits, Fireforge too I believe.
Perry Miniatures Plastics seem to be the most popular due to the casts and details being so crisp, I am currently doing a House Cerwyn project in this forum and have started out with the European Mercenaries kit, these could also be good for House Greyjoy as it has a good mixture of leather/padded armour with a dose or Chainmail and Plate mail!
You should also check out Captain Bloods threads here in the Fantasy forum and the Medieval forum, as he is the undisputed King or 'Kit Bashing' plastics together to achieve truly unique models ;)
Best of luck and have fun!!!
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Dude, yours, franks and bloods are my inspiration. I sort of hate you all, as I am a notorious game butterfly. Many thanks!
Yes I reeeeally like the European mercs unit for bodies/ helms but cannot see them using pikes. And i'm torn between crossbows and bows. trying to dig up references in the books, Theon was a good archer but did he pick that up from being a Stark hostage or is it an Ironborn weapon too?
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Also, if you are using Saga, therefore saga battleboards. How do you determine which board suits which faction?
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My Ironborn are all GB Vikings...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/DSCF0327_zpso3raqlfw.jpg)
I've also seen Fireforge foot serjeants used to good effect... they paid the iron price for the better kit no doubt...
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Nice, did you hand paint those banners?
ohhhh nice shout on those foot sergeants, never seen them before, they look legit.
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Welcome to the GoT party!
My personal preference is to not make them to obviously "Viking" (Sukhe's awesome rendition not withtanding!)
Therefore I'm primarily using GB Saxon & Dane bodies for the light armor (guys jumping out of boats, you know) with head, arm and shield swaps to break away from the telltale Viking silhouette.
For heads I'm using mostly Fireforge Teutonic/Templar/Serjant heads with additions of hooded heads from West Winds' dark ages Picts.
For the more elite warriors (I'll be using Lion Rampant rules) I'll be using the actually fully mailed bodies/arms.
I use the teardrop shaped shields from Fireforge to get away from the rounds.
But, that's just one guy's take on it.
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That's some good advice, involves buying a fair few boxes of dudes for bits. But i hope to sell some Napoleonic brits soon to fund my next plasti-smack habit.
Also generated a great question: Lion Rampant or Saga rules?
I have two main gaming buds, one preaches either side of this argument.....
What say you?
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I don't see the Ironborn looking like Vikings... admittedly there are a lot of Viking aspects to their culture, but I prefer a 'realistic fantasy' myself and so don't think they would look that much different to everyone on the mainland, in particular I don't see them as having completely different arms and armour, especially that 4 or 5 centuries more primitive than everyone else! (in real world terms of course)
Something to consider is that Victarion Greyjoy is described wearing plate armour when fighting at sea, and the different Ironborn houses do have heraldry much like on the mainland.
However having said all that, I do picture them as being much more rag-tag than everyone else, with a real motley array of weaponry and armour, much of it pilfered or bought with the 'iron price'. Certainly no uniforms of any sort.
In military terms, they should definitely not be particularly good at pitched battles. They should excel in small scale raids and skirmishes, and of course fighting on deck. So definitely no pikes.... Just a mix of swords, axes, short spears, etc..... I don't think they make use of bows or crossbows much, and they are mentioned as being poor horsemen, so no cavalry perhaps.
And though I don't like the 'cartoon viking' look with axes and horned helms, I will concede that they seem to have a thing for throwing axes!!!
I'd like to one day have a go at making some, but I don't quite know myself how I could do it effectively so they blend in with my 15th century collection in terms of arms and armour, yet still looking rag-tag enough....
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Dude, yours, franks and bloods are my inspiration. I sort of hate you all, as I am a notorious game butterfly. Many thanks!
Yes I reeeeally like the European mercs unit for bodies/ helms but cannot see them using pikes. And i'm torn between crossbows and bows. trying to dig up references in the books, Theon was a good archer but did he pick that up from being a Stark hostage or is it an Ironborn weapon too?
I'm quite flattered actually :) Hope we and all the others continue to inspire you!
Most likely the archery is from the Stark link,
And though I don't like the 'cartoon viking' look with axes and horned helms, I will concede that they seem to have a thing for throwing axes!!!
Now this would be fun to create! Gripping beast do some some nice loose Francisca throwing axes :)
Depends on your budget, but the European Mercs do have some great 'bodies' and heads but you'll need to source hand weapons etc for them!
Looking forward to the progress ;)
Cheers
Gary
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Depends on your budget, but the European Mercs do have some great 'bodies' and heads but you'll need to source hand weapons etc for them!
The new French Infantry set could be of use. It has swords, spears, and 2-handed axes, and the style of armour I think would suit better... padded gambesons, kettle hats, mail coifs...
Perhaps not by itself, but it has some very useful parts to combine with other kits.
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That's some good advice, involves buying a fair few boxes of dudes for bits. But i hope to sell some Napoleonic brits soon to fund my next plasti-smack habit.
One box each - Templars, Teutonics, Serjeants. If I had to do it again, I would have bought a second Templars instead of the Serjeants for the hoods and capes. My Ironborn are cloaked against the elements.
Also generated a great question: Lion Rampant or Saga rules?
Well, with no offense to Saga fans, I find it too "gamey" - what with the dice and the combos and the hey-hey (nod to Professor Frink)
I believe Lion Rampant/Dragon Rampant offers more flexibility for building diverse forces. AND, I would sooner use Dux Britanniarum with Ironborn as Saxons and either Lannister or Stark as Romano-Brits. Less flexibility with force composition, but in return more colorful game mechanics and an outstanding campaign mechanic that would need a little modding to give it a Seven Kingdoms feel.
I have two main gaming buds, one preaches either side of this argument.....
Guess you get to be the tie-breaker. Try stridently advocating for third option - Dux Brit - to force one of them off their standoff. lol
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Guys, excellent and much appreciated advice. I think we are sold on LR as Saga just seems to be a bit more 'off board' admin with the dice and stuff and LR can scale up slightly higher. Plus the glory systems is fairly cool.
SO. Putting together a shopping list of minis now.
Charlie- thanks for mentioning Victarion's penchant for plate at sea. Gives me some scope for an elite bodyguard of heavier troops to outweigh the thematic lack of cavalry and I will probably take crossbows for missiles as these guys probably do not train in bow, so a crossbow is pretty much 'pick up and fire'.
I would also like to imagine a sort of grappling hook crossbow bolt for boarding actions. Totally unfounded (GoT or real timeline) but hey, this is the fantasy section for a reason.
Oh and I have some agincourt french infantry. They are amazing. But I used them for a frostgrave warband. Still have some left though.
So I will reward you guys with pics soon.
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Nice idea but the weight of rope necessary for a grapnel greatly impedes the mechanism and flight of an ordinary crossbow bolt. It has to be supersized so you can only really use a scorpion or bolt thrower for a grapnel hook. Agrippa is credited with developing one for the Roman Navy called the 'Harpax'.
The Ironborn didn't fear drowning so they invariably wore armour at sea. They are also supreme reavers, so excellent at raiding and the like. In Lion Rampant terms I'm classifying the bulk of the boat crews as 'Fierce Foot', with a foraging/skirmishing party of 'Bidowers' for each, led by a cadre of captains and a warlord as 'Foot Men at Arms'...
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I agree with Charlie_. I don't see anything in the books which describes the Greyjoys as Vikings. Sure they behave like Vikings - i.e. they have ships, they are a warlike, maritime culture, and they raid and ravage. But in terms of appearance, there's nothing to say their dress, weapons and armour is culturally very different from the rest of Westeros, which is broadly portrayed as a 'high medieval' milieu - Maybe C13th/C14th in medieval European terms.
But it's true the Iron Islands are portrayed as relatively poor, so for my few Greyjoys (I will do more at some point), I went for a kind of medieval-lite/slightly arachaic look. But definitely not C8th/C9th Vikings...
Then again, it's fantasy, so what the heck. Do what you like :)
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Awwww they are lush mate... way to trump my efforts before I start! Been checking out the Fireforge stuff and that looks like a good direction. Depending on how much I get for these Napoleonic brits I want rid of.
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SO the planning part of the project is in full swing, I am sizing up purchases and I think as much as the arms don't really swing with the European mercs, 40 models for under £20 cannot be sniffed at, whereas Fireforge games are getting 24 bodies for around £18. BUT FF tuetonics/ templars come with soooo many lovely cloaks and such. TORN.
I have googled the sprues and am I correct that there looks to be a few billhooks in the perry mercs to convert some pikes? If so that may sway me to purchase the following:
1 box of perry mercs: 40 models.
1 box of Tuetonics/ temps (whichever has the most cloaks) 24 models.
This will build my retinue of:
6X foot men at arms- 6pts
12x foot sgts- 4pts
12x fierce foot- 4pts
12x fiercs foot- 4pts
12x crossbowmen- 4pts
6x Bidowers- 2pts
That's 60 models, leaving me 4 for commander. character conversions. And a good 24 point starting retinue. NO cavalry (as far as I have read heavy cavalry run the game) and not many missile troops.
Does this 'feel' Greyjoy-ish? Dunno.
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They are also supreme reavers, so excellent at raiding and the like. In Lion Rampant terms I'm classifying the bulk of the boat crews as 'Fierce Foot', with a foraging/skirmishing party of 'Bidowers' for each, led by a cadre of captains and a warlord as 'Foot Men at Arms'...
I see it much as Sukhe. My Greyjoy retinue is straightforward:
2 x Foot men at arms - 12pts (Household elite bodymen)
2 x Fierce Foot - 8pts (Warrior crew)
2 x Bidowers - 4pts (Scouts)
Two "crews" of elite, crew and scouts. Don't know how they'll work in gameplay without horse. But theme is more important than optimization for me.
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Don't know how they'll work in gameplay without horse. But theme is more important than optimization for me.
That's the spirit! 8)
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I'm in the same boat. no pun. Theme and narrative trump winning any day.
Love that list, Also decided for the sake of cloaks I cannot see myself buying Fireforge's knights when I can get the perry 36 knights for cheaper. And already owning said knighst for my Frostgrave stuff I know the quality.
SO:
12 bidower models- the 12 crossbows from the merc set.
12 Foot MAA- 12 knights.
24 fierce foot- the rest of the knights.
If I buy the merc and Knights boxes thats 76 models (!!) for less than £40. Leaving me 30 models spare to knock up some 'options' should my mates get too used to the above list.
However is this....'a bit knighty' for the theme, Model wise? Guess if I green stuff up some fur and cloaks etc the armour will get lost in the detail and make them look a bit less....knighty.
Also: did you get a reference for that sea blue colour captain, or is that your own interpretation. It's a nice colour.
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Also: did you get a reference for that sea blue colour captain, or is that your own interpretation. It's a nice colour.
No reference from the texts I'm afraid. Just felt a kind of sea-colour would be appropriate, to set off the black and gold heraldry of the kraken sigil on shields and banners etc.
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Victarion Greyjoy sported a helmet fashioned/decorated like a kraken, as well as a 'fingered' cloak that looked like tentacles of a squid. I was going to use a suitably modified GW High or Dark Elf helm...
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From the few artwork bits the dark elf black guard helm looks appropriate.
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Here are pictures of my sons greyjoys maybe that helps These are mainly Gripping beast figures:
(https://wargamesgazette.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/fullsizerender-37.jpg?w=1400)
(https://wargamesgazette.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/fullsizerender20.jpg?w=696&h=259&crop=1)
hope that helps!
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sorry wanted to say Gripping beast heads and Perry hyw bodies
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Excellent stuff mate. I have a few Agincourt infantry left, I may do a tester this weekend.
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Those look really good Tom. I think the HYW bodies work great as Ironborn!
I have googled the sprues and am I correct that there looks to be a few billhooks in the perry mercs to convert some pikes? If so that may sway me to purchase the following:
You get various polearm heads you can convert the pikes with. Halberds, glaives, voulges (?)... No bills though actually. There are 6 on each command spure, of which you get 2, so that 12 polearm heads per box. Though you won't get the most dynamic poses out of them, you're pretty much limited to the 'weapons shouldered' poses of the pike arms. They look fantastic for ranked up armies, but you might not like them much for skirmish style games?
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But you could use arms from the WotR sets !
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I made mine with Fireforge. I noticed that the outfits they wear at home in the Show match the Foot Sergeants pretty close, and will paint up quick. I tried to use the "later looking" helmets, but quite a few got Perry sallets, especially the Templars knights each unit got as a leader. They are up next on my painting queue. I am struggling over sculpting a kraken or 2 for the shields and then green stuff casting them. I am also debating making a unit with arms from GW Dark Elf Corsairs. It is super cool looking, but may be too "fantastic" to fit in with the rest of the army. There are some kraken helms among those Dark Elf characters as well. I did score several kraken banner pole toppers from a friend.
I planned on 4 units of Fierce Foot, 1 unit of medium horse outriders, Asha/Yara Greyjoy and Men-at-Arms command unit, a unit of bowmen and a unit of scouts. But if I ever get my hands on a couple of Thomas cogs, The army will grow and I will be "forced" to make Silence...
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clever way of squeeezing cavalry in there! also good shout on the corsair krakens. I know the 'rules' for Lions Rampant are just a guidline and easily modified. But from what i read you cannot have more than 12 points of one unit, so at 4 points a shot your fierce foot would be 16 points. Probably won't bother most people but every group has a rules lawyer somewhere.
It's not me in my group.....
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Oh, I like to have some extra units to try things out. The bowmen will sit it out for a while why I try out all those Fierce Foot. My Lannister army is a mixed bag of units with a little of everything. But it allows me to do anything on the table with something...
The challenge of lots of wild charging low Armor units will be a challenge I am looking forward to. And they will look great charging off of Barrage Miniatures long boats!
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Victarion Greyjoy sported a helmet fashioned/decorated like a kraken, as well as a 'fingered' cloak that looked like tentacles of a squid. I was going to use a suitably modified GW High or Dark Elf helm...
Dang you! Now I have to make this!
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My fierce infantry will be we wearing lots of armour. just not on their stats lol. Will probably use Perry foot knights. Just love the (cheapness of the) models!
Hmmm not very ironborn in my opinion though. Will Keep looking.
Ok FINAL (ish) DECISION!!! going for two boxes of Agincourt french inf. They have by far the best variety of weapons, not too much armour (12 knights get me my 2x Foot Men at arms)
Also 84 models for £40 is an excellent deal and will give me lots of options for changing my army about.
....Now if I could only get some gripping beast heads separate from the sprues.
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Those French are actually a great choice. If I had to do it again, I would make the same choice. They have everything, pole arms, Knights, jupons just waiting for heraldry, crossbows, all those quirky helms, and plenty of war hats. I used the body of knight and a great ax (where oh where were those on the WOTR figs?!?) for my Lyle Crakehall in the round 8 challenge. I am saving the rest for those pesky Northerners...or maybe the Plumm brothers.
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I already have a box for Frostgrave and they really do tick a lot of boxes, my last count had them at 4 crossbows, 4 spears/ cut down lances, 3 swords and 3 great axe/ bardiche things. And that's not including the weapons from the knights sprue.
Distinct lack of 'proper' shields though. 2 pavise per sprue and 4 bucklers.
I want round shields for my northmen.
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Sounds like a good idea.
Might I suggest you grab one of the Agincourt archer sprues to go with your french set - the Perry website sells it individually. Will give you 6 new bodies to choose from, and obviously longbows with accessories.
Also if you have a look around ebay you will find most other sprues available, to give you more options.
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Sounds like a good idea.
Might I suggest you grab one of the Agincourt archer sprues to go with your french set - the Perry website sells it individually. Will give you 6 new bodies to choose from, and obviously longbows with accessories.
They also sell the WOTR mercenaries command sprue individually - this will give you 6 polearm heads to convert the french spears with, plus 2 bodies and a variety of other pieces.
Also if you have a look around ebay you will find most other sprues available, to give you more options.
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Good shout charlie.
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If you want round shields for your Northmen (my Starks also have them) you can buy a plastic weapons sprue from Conquest Miniatures that has plenty (plus a load of other useful stuff).
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Will have a peek, models, green stuff and bases ordered! boom!
edit: did you mean conquest games? Conquest miniatures is native american stuff?
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Ooops. My bad.
Yes Conquest Games
http://www.conquest-games.co.uk/index.php?cPath=22_23_25 (http://www.conquest-games.co.uk/index.php?cPath=22_23_25)
As well as the round shields and hands with drawn swords (of which the Perry kits are short when it comes to GoT) the kite shields can be cut down to make small heater shields, which I did for my Boltons
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Those are dead good mate!
I actually found shields and some axes and swords on the gripping beast accessories bit:
http://www.grippingbeast.co.uk/Other_Products/Figure_Accessories.html
£2 for 12 shields etc.
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Those are dead good mate!
I actually found shields and some axes and swords on the gripping beast accessories bit:
http://www.grippingbeast.co.uk/Other_Products/Figure_Accessories.html
£2 for 12 shields etc.
I too have some of these, they are perhaps slightly large compared to the finely detailed Perry sculpts and you'll need to purchase if not already done so, a model drill for surprise, surprise to drill out the hands so you can slot the axes in. I done it on one of my models, patience and a steady hand are key ;)
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I have a pin vice so pretty ready for that pain in the pinky toes. Seen your leader with axe, he is pretty mega!
May I ask what size drill bit you used? your fit look snug and has not mangled any fingers,
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I have a pin vice so pretty ready for that pain in the pinky toes. Seen your leader with axe, he is pretty mega!
May I ask what size drill bit you used? your fit look snug and has not mangled any fingers,
Hi Jay
Not sure of the size, but I have a model drill from Army Painter and I first used the smallest bit perhaps it 0'5mm? And then I re drilled the hole very slowly with the next size up.
Looking forward to seeing your models soon :-)
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I know everyone has said "no pikes" but surely boarding pikes are a sure thing for sea-faring warriors? I don't think there would be anything wrong with including some short pikes
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I'm not going for pikes, but I AM going to get some spearmen. Reason being I reckon the spear, whilst not a naval combat weapon, is a simple anti cavalry weapon that can be adopted by even the lowliest Ironborn. And if the intend to invade the mainland, they will assuredly need something to deter all those evil horses. Plus I worked out the sprues:
Agincourt french inf sprue has around:
4 crossbows.
3 swords single hand.
3 two handers.
8 spears.
I have two boxes rocking which is 6 sprues. up and 6 spare from a frostgrave project. SO i am making this:
12 Men at arms on foor (the 12 knights from the box).
12 fierce foot with two handers.
12 fierce foot with buckler and hand axe (axes from gripping beast).
12 crossbowmen (actually 2 units of bidowers.
that's 48 models for 24 point retinue. leaving around 40 models.
Now i do like having options so with the 40 'spare' I am sort of out of nice weapons and single/double handers. SO with no further investment I can make:
12 more crossbowmen. Carrying some crossbows from my bits box.
12 spearmen
12 spearmen
The spear guys I am going to model with the front 6 holding Pavise shields and the rear 6 holding spears with two hands. Should work. Also leaves 4 models left over to convert Victarion and other leaders.
Takes me to a 36 point retinue should I require it.
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So I handled the GS too early when taking it from my blu-stuff mold. I'm new to GS really. But the cloak looks more waterlogged ha ha.
Head and arms from frostgrave Cultists.
Tester number 1.
Next time the fur is just going to be a shoulder piece.
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That works well :)
cheers
James
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Like him :)
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Hi guys, sort of put this together last night. Using the book's description with the Kraken helm, tentacle cloak and axe. I'm new to GS so I am gonna do more work tonight. I want to add a second layer of thinner tentacles over the top and do some definition of the helm Kraken and chest one. As they look a bit poo. I tried to put some tentacles hanging over his face as a sort of visor, but it looked daft so I scrapped that idea.
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/jockjay/IMG_3181_zpsqlxlwk6x.jpg) (http://s37.photobucket.com/user/jockjay/media/IMG_3181_zpsqlxlwk6x.jpg.html)
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that last picture makes the chest kraken look like some kind of skull...
But it's WIP.
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Built and based 60 models in an evening, in a whirlwind of flying plastic and glue. Was ballbagged after this.
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I know there was some debate about Greyjoys using spears. But I imagine they hunt whales or such like so would not be too shabby with pointy sticks.
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Ah they look great and numerous!!
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I got some gripping beast single hand axes to put on them but these hands are too small, drill was destroying them :(
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Assembled and based - that's half the battle! Great to see a whole retinue.
Vikings carried spears in longships, so can Ironborn I reason.
Bold work on converting Victarion. Looking forward to seeing them painted. I'm with you on the Greyjoy track right now.
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good progress
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I got some gripping beast single hand axes to put on them but these hands are too small, drill was destroying them :(
Yep, the hands are tiny :?
I used the smallest possible drill bit and painstakingly slow, went through the hand, the Gripping Beast axes are too big for the hole, so I used a circular file and begun shaving off the haft...... time consuming but now the weapons fit :)
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Yep, the hands are tiny :?
I used the smallest possible drill bit and painstakingly slow, went through the hand, the Gripping Beast axes are too big for the hole, so I used a circular file and begun shaving off the haft...... time consuming but now the weapons fit :)
Sorry for the intervention:
Why drill at all? Revell polystyrene cement is up to the task of joining even the smallest arms together. Ask the Captain, too!
btw: Nice collection! I am looking forward to seeing Victarion completed!
Cheers
GS
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Sorry for the intervention:
Why drill at all? Revell polystyrene cement is up to the task of joining even the smallest arms together. Ask the Captain, too!
To drill THROUGH the hand so a weapon can be placed ;) Jay purchased loose weapons so you need to clip off the plastic weapons, drill the hand out and slide the metal loose axes through :)
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Ahhh, now even I understand what's to be done. I'd use 0.8 mm drills and be really careful.
Worked perfectly well as long as I did that.
Cheers
GS
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Hi guys,
Bit of an update, had a week away with work but took my paints with me. Here is my test bod and first unit (unit needs basing).
Did the bases as a sand colour to make the guys pop out a bit, also looks like a beach assault or raids in the east. I needed a colour to break up the greys/browns so i went for a dark sea green type thingy.
Free-handing the Kraken was fun. But i had had a few beers when doing the chest ones on the unit. SO they need a bit of work. I like the shield one though.
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/jockjay/IMG_3208_zpsjx5szwff.jpg) (http://s37.photobucket.com/user/jockjay/media/IMG_3208_zpsjx5szwff.jpg.html)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/jockjay/IMG_3209_zpspafjgrxb.jpg) (http://s37.photobucket.com/user/jockjay/media/IMG_3209_zpspafjgrxb.jpg.html)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/jockjay/IMG_3215_zps2wwk5u9g.jpg) (http://s37.photobucket.com/user/jockjay/media/IMG_3215_zps2wwk5u9g.jpg.html)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/jockjay/IMG_3217_zpsbblnmq1c.jpg) (http://s37.photobucket.com/user/jockjay/media/IMG_3217_zpsbblnmq1c.jpg.html)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/jockjay/IMG_3218_zps5qbzuftv.jpg) (http://s37.photobucket.com/user/jockjay/media/IMG_3218_zps5qbzuftv.jpg.html)
In regards to the hand axes, I chinned them off as after building my 'Fierce foot' of 6 two handed axes and 6 buckler/ hand weapon. I realised if I put more axes on, they may look....too 'axey' lol.
I want at least some fighters with a bit of finesse!
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Really very nice 8)
Love the way you've done the Kraken sigil - simple but effective. Nice work.
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Thanks Cap, I was going to add an extra layer of highlight but my freehand is inconsistent and I would only cock it up, plus it looks ok as a flat colour. Next up is my 12 men at arms on foot. Thinking of adding some more regalia and colour to them, probably not canon but they are Victarion's elite boarding crew, so a bit of artistic license going down.
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Very nice! I agree with the Captain, nice shield work. Good colors overall!
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Great stuff 8) 8) 8)
cheers
James
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Thanks lads. Only 70 more models to go.... well 48 for my 24 point retinue, but I like options.
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very nice painting style indeed :-*
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Yep, very nice, especially the free hand shield.
Welcome to the club of Westerosi!
Cheers
GS
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Really nice painting, love the freehand on the shield in particular. :)
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Dark and gritty, just as the Greyjoy must look.
Good painting ! :-*
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Very nicely done 8)
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Men at arms painted up. I have done Victarion and his elite bodyguard as one group of 6, and 3 pairs of nobles (as noble as can be from the Iron Isles) from houses Wynch, Blacktyde and Drumm.
Victarion:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/jockjay/IMG_3246_zpspdcgsbg6.jpg) (http://s37.photobucket.com/user/jockjay/media/IMG_3246_zpspdcgsbg6.jpg.html)
Bodyguards:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/jockjay/IMG_3245_zpsulpc5qgj.jpg) (http://s37.photobucket.com/user/jockjay/media/IMG_3245_zpsulpc5qgj.jpg.html)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/jockjay/IMG_3244_zpslbueavy8.jpg) (http://s37.photobucket.com/user/jockjay/media/IMG_3244_zpslbueavy8.jpg.html)
Second unit:
House Wynch-
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/jockjay/IMG_3251_zpsaucnnfbm.jpg) (http://s37.photobucket.com/user/jockjay/media/IMG_3251_zpsaucnnfbm.jpg.html)
House Drumm-
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/jockjay/IMG_3250_zpsn2pux54l.jpg) (http://s37.photobucket.com/user/jockjay/media/IMG_3250_zpsn2pux54l.jpg.html)
House Blacktyde-
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/jockjay/IMG_3252_zpsi3dlt4dv.jpg) (http://s37.photobucket.com/user/jockjay/media/IMG_3252_zpsi3dlt4dv.jpg.html)
Group-
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/jockjay/IMG_3247_zps8uwn8his.jpg) (http://s37.photobucket.com/user/jockjay/media/IMG_3247_zps8uwn8his.jpg.html)
All painted models so far (16 points):
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/jockjay/IMG_3253_zpsxq43otcx.jpg) (http://s37.photobucket.com/user/jockjay/media/IMG_3253_zpsxq43otcx.jpg.html)
Getting there, apologies I don't take the best pics. No studio etc.
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Loving these. Very nice painting...
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Loving these. Very nice painting...
Yep, the captain's right, good job!
For the photos: I use IrfanView, a simple but effective tool: crop the image, auto adjust colors for white whites ( ;) ) and finally resize to 640 pixels width.
Give it a try.
Cheers
GS
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Agreed. Great work!
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Oh wow, this is great! To be honest I wasn't quite sure how the Perry foot knights would work for Ironborn. But they do look fantastic, especially Victarion and all those in Greyjoy colours!
The way I see it, the Ironborn suffer from a real identity crisis, at least in the books. Are they vikings? Are they pirates? Or are they just like people from any other Westeros region, but with a heavier emphasis on seafaring? I think the latter makes the most sense, and you've made it look good.
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Very nice! Lots of very inspirational ASOIAF threads at the moment. Your Ironborn are superb.
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Oh wow, this is great! To be honest I wasn't quite sure how the Perry foot knights would work for Ironborn. But they do look fantastic, especially Victarion and all those in Greyjoy colours!
The way I see it, the Ironborn suffer from a real identity crisis, at least in the books. Are they vikings? Are they pirates? Or are they just like people from any other Westeros region, but with a heavier emphasis on seafaring? I think the latter makes the most sense, and you've made it look good.
Especially since, on the one hand, they'e supposed to be pretty poor. But on the other hand, they live on the Iron Islands, so they've got lots and lots of iron around for arms and armor. So I'd think that they wouldn't be the leather jerkin wearing Hollywood vikings they're often depicted as, and would be well equipped for war, at least.
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Especially since, on the one hand, they'e supposed to be pretty poor. But on the other hand, they live on the Iron Islands, so they've got lots and lots of iron around for arms and armor. So I'd think that they wouldn't be the leather jerkin wearing Hollywood vikings they're often depicted as, and would be well equipped for war, at least.
Yes, in fact it's stated somewhere (in the official World Of Ice And Fire book I think) that they are actually known to be among the best smiths and armourers.
They maybe have a bit of an identity crisis in regards to ships as well. Obviously there is a lot of talk about longships, which suggests Vikings, but they are by far the only ships they use. There is a lot of talk of galleys, galleas, cogs.... I'm no expert on ships though. Surely the traditional 'norse longship' wouldn't have a cabin, yet Victarion is frequently described as going to his cabin on his own Iron Victory. And if his of all ships is not a longship, what does that say?
Interestingly, the last episode of the TV show had a very brief shot of them going to their ships. It definitely gave them more of a 'pirate' look and feel (albeit medieval pirate) rather than 'viking'.
I'm keen to see them portrayed as something other than cartoon vikings, but admittedly GRRM doesn't make it easy at times!
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Yes, in fact it's stated somewhere (in the official World Of Ice And Fire book I think) that they are actually known to be among the best smiths and armourers.
They maybe have a bit of an identity crisis in regards to ships as well. Obviously there is a lot of talk about longships, which suggests Vikings, but they are by far the only ships they use. There is a lot of talk of galleys, galleas, cogs.... I'm no expert on ships though. Surely the traditional 'norse longship' wouldn't have a cabin, yet Victarion is frequently described as going to his cabin on his own Iron Victory. And if his of all ships is not a longship, what does that say?
Interestingly, the last episode of the TV show had a very brief shot of them going to their ships. It definitely gave them more of a 'pirate' look and feel (albeit medieval pirate) rather than 'viking'.
I'm keen to see them portrayed as something other than cartoon vikings, but admittedly GRRM doesn't make it easy at times!
I think some of that confusion stems from the fact that Ironborn coastal raids are conducted from their longships, which all Ironborn Houses have and are far more numerous, but they also mention "The Iron Fleet" which is their war fleet of 100 galleys. I would guess that Victarion took some of the Iron fleet to cross the Narrow Sea as it's a far longer/more dangerous journey. Honestly I think GRRM does not sweat those kind of technical details the way a wargamer would. lol In his defense, the innumerable prophesies and small hints that turn out to be foreshadowing are probably enough for him to keep track of as it is. :D
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I think some of that confusion stems from the fact that Ironborn coastal raids are conducted from their longships, which all Ironborn Houses have and are far more numerous, but they also mention "The Iron Fleet" which is their war fleet of 100 galleys.
True.
Actually if we look at the history of ships through medieval Scandinavia it should give some sort of an 'answer'. I mean, Vikings and their longships wouldn't have just disappeared to be replaced by 'medieval' style ships overnight. I recently read the Osprey Men-At-Arms series book "The Scandinavian Baltic Crusades 1100-1500" which touched on the subject and had a few pics, I'm gonna go have another look...
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True.
Actually if we look at the history of ships through medieval Scandinavia it should give some sort of an 'answer'. I mean, Vikings and their longships wouldn't have just disappeared to be replaced by 'medieval' style ships overnight. I recently read the Osprey Men-At-Arms series book "The Scandinavian Baltic Crusades 1100-1500" which touched on the subject and had a few pics, I'm gonna go have another look...
Paging Dalauppror ;)
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Thanks for the comments lads, I really appreciate it.
My views on Greyjoy combat doctrine (which are not based on anything other than my wild ramblings), and what I am basing my force on:
It is well know that they are reavers and raiders, but at some point they MUST stand and fight. I imagine that they take to the longships young and learn how wage lightning war against small towns and villages. Warriors that show natural talent and gain renown may one day pay the iron price for some decent armor, which elevates their status within the community. My Force is based around Victarion's long journey to reave across the sea. In my mind he has drummed up support and many aspiring warriors joined to gain coin and renown fighting as part of his fleet. This includes noble fighters from other Iron born houses (my second MAA unit), these fighters have either paid the iron price for their arms/armor or had the skilled smiths of the Iron Isles create a custom set for them.
As for colours and regalia, I have kept it very basic, I no longer see the Iron born as Vikings etc. but a standard house in WOTR era war gear, with a slight emphasis on axes over swords. I'm sure I heard that Victarion has a cloak made to look like tentacles in Greyjoy colours (didn't one of you guys mention it here?), so I painted his bodyguard up to look similar as I am sure they have worked their way to such a lofty position and want to show it off.
I am currently painting a 12 man spear unit. I know this may be frowned upon but as I said earlier, eventually there will be a time the Iron born will have to fight a pitched battle, pitched battles mean potential cavalry. So, spears it is. The spearmen would be the lowliest of the warriors, or the slightly injured or infirm who cannot keep up with the shock troops. But every man must a place in battle when you are a mobile raiding force.
Just my 2p (or justification for painting whatever I like....)
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Great project 8)
It inspires me to make Greyjoys as my next big faction 8)
Ps: And I'd have done with spears too ;)
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I like what you're thinking.
Another thing worth considering is that the Ironborn haven't always been about reaving all the time. In fact, ever since Aegon's conquest (ruled by the Greyjoys all that time) they have been relatively quiet. Aegon forbid them from reaving on the shores of Westeros, but permitted them to do it abroad. In the 'present day' of the books they have been reaving quite a lot under Balon's leadership, which led to two unsuccessful rebellions where he tried to bring back the 'old way'. The fact that he was wanting to bring it back suggests that they hadn't done much reaving in the preceding centuries. The World Of Ice And Fire Book tells how his father Quellon was more interested in integrating with the mainland, and wasn't a fan of the old way.
Prior to the conquest and the rule of the Greyjoys, the islands were ruled by House Hoare, who successfully conquered all of the Riverlands (Harren Hoare, ie Harren the Black, built Harrenhal). That era would certainly have seen them engaged in lots of land battles and 'traditional' warfare (they had a big war against the Storm Kings as well on the mainland as well).
I think the point is that the idea of the Ironborn as 'reavers' goes waaaaay back into the hazy past. It's a thing of the past. Since then, under various different kings and ruling houses, they have conquered territory on the mainland, been beaten down numerous times, and seen various rulers both want to make friends and integrate with the mainland and want to return to the mythical 'old way' of reaving (which usually ends badly for them).
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An excellent clarification, many thanks. Well I have 24 models to go before my 24 point retinue is done, with another 24 models for 'options' but I am on holiday for a couple of weeks so things will be slowing down here I'm afraid.
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I like what you're thinking.
Another thing worth considering is that the Ironborn haven't always been about reaving all the time. In fact, ever since Aegon's conquest (ruled by the Greyjoys all that time) they have been relatively quiet. Aegon forbid them from reaving on the shores of Westeros, but permitted them to do it abroad. In the 'present day' of the books they have been reaving quite a lot under Balon's leadership, which led to two unsuccessful rebellions where he tried to bring back the 'old way'. The fact that he was wanting to bring it back suggests that they hadn't done much reaving in the preceding centuries. The World Of Ice And Fire Book tells how his father Quellon was more interested in integrating with the mainland, and wasn't a fan of the old way.
Prior to the conquest and the rule of the Greyjoys, the islands were ruled by House Hoare, who successfully conquered all of the Riverlands (Harren Hoare, ie Harren the Black, built Harrenhal). That era would certainly have seen them engaged in lots of land battles and 'traditional' warfare (they had a big war against the Storm Kings on the mainland as well).
I think the point is that the idea of the Ironborn as 'reavers' goes waaaaay back into the hazy past. It's a thing of the past. Since then, under various different kings and ruling houses, they have conquered territory on the mainland, been beaten down numerous times, and seen various rulers both want to make friends and integrate with the mainland and want to return to the mythical 'old way' of reaving (which usually ends badly for them).
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I particularly like the countercharging on the Greyjoy chap with the war hammer.