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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Khurasan Miniatures on May 02, 2016, 04:46:54 PM
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Hi, after years of procrastinating I've finally got a range of 20mm sci fi underway. The human force will be the first to be made, and they will be helmeted and carapace-armoured. Dolly parts for the helmet, torso and rifle have just been completed.
Question for you is, what opposing force would most 20mm SF gamers want to see? Another human faction, sentient aliens (and if so, humanoid or not), or bugs? Thanks.
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YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES! ;D
Sorry. I kinda lost my head there....
I play a lot of 20mm SciFI and I will strongly and persistently plead for BUGS!
As alien lifeforms are manifold using either 15mm or 28mm for humanoid alien figures works perfectly well. However, all available bugs are either too small or too large. Especially the sleek carapaced elongated-headed ones.....
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Especially the sleek carapaced elongated-headed ones.....
Well, that becomes a bit of a problem due to developments over the past few years. I think those of us who make figures can be forgiven for getting inspiration in the past from those creatures you're referring to, but as someone paid good money for the license it would be a bit rude to make new products.
So how about different bugs?
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20mm bug-eyed aliens would be nice as well :D
Or Octopoids? Brain-robot cyborgs?
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Great news on new 20mm scifi.
I think a great opposing force would be an alien line with comparable weapons and armour to the humans. I can think of various sources of 'bug-hunt' type figures to use in 20mm. On the other hand, 20mm armed aliens are very scarce, even more than armed humans.
As for body plan etc, please let then not be 'uplifted' earth creatures (cats/dogs etc). Your Cnidarians (which I do use for 20mm) are a great example of truly alien figs. They could be a good start to an expanded range, with command/alternate weapons/armour etc?
Stuuh
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Pijie, check out Reverisco's Homophage, I use them as the Xeno you described to play 20mm Space Hulk games.
Reveriso
http://www.tin-soldier.com/alienhomophages.html (http://www.tin-soldier.com/alienhomophages.html)
Drop them a line, if you do, ask them about their 20mm figs for a certain Mysterious Dr.
Apologies for the link to the blog, I'm new to the forum and still working out how to post pics
http://occasionalambush.blogspot.com/2016/03/playing-game-all-way-through-space-hulk.html (http://occasionalambush.blogspot.com/2016/03/playing-game-all-way-through-space-hulk.html)
Stuuh
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As for body plan etc, please let then not be 'uplifted' earth creatures (cats/dogs etc). Your Cnidarians (which I do use for 20mm) are a great example of truly alien figs. They could be a good start to an expanded range, with command/alternate weapons/armour etc?
It's funny, people ask for non-human aliens but don't buy them. Haven't sold a set of Cniderians in over a year. :-)
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It's funny, people ask for non-human aliens but don't buy them. Haven't sold a set of Cniderians in over a year. :-)
I guess its a pretty broad description, though. Chances are if you ask 10 people what kind of non human aliens you want to see, your going to get 12 different answers.
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Dropships.
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I guess its a pretty broad description, though. Chances are if you ask 10 people what kind of non human aliens you want to see, your going to get 12 different answers.
I think that's the problem with them -- everyone wants them but everyone has their own idea of what they should look like.
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I think that's the problem with them -- everyone wants them but everyone has their own idea of what they should look like.
And even those who don't particularly voice an opinion might not like what somebody else comes up with. Its a challenge.
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Too late for me. Been waiting for years for 20mm sci-fi, did a few things, convinced myself to stay on course all that time. Gave up a couple of months ago, now rooting for the 15mm sci-fi team. Ridiculous amount of choice there these days.
But my 2 cents - do something with droids/robots. 1 type can work for many scales depending on the looks....so you can cater to a broader audience.
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But my 2 cents - do something with droids/robots. 1 type can work for many scales depending on the looks....so you can cater to a broader audience.
since i own many of the oldie real 25mm, i'd be interested on any robot/droid on 20mm, or perhaps on any alien either on 20mm or bulkier-than-human 25mm ;) ::)
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now rooting for the 15mm sci-fi team.
Yep, I make tons of that myself. :-)
I'm just making a small 20mm range because people have always asked for it, and because some of my 15mm alien stuff works as 20mm as well, so a small range of 20mm humans would be something for them to oppose.
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Are the War Caste Kallinect battle droids you have in the wings close to 20mm?
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I'm purely being selfish and wishing not you'd bring it more 15mm factions! I'd really like a low-tech, tribalsesque alien faction (cc weapons a must) in 15mm - maybe you could do them in 20mm and they'd double for both scales (weren't the blue people in Avatar about that tall?)
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I have such a faction already -- they're called Lhurggs.
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I would love to see a range of anthromorphic mammals , Wolf , Polar bear , Centaur , leapoard man including a lower abdomen snake , human body , with decent tactical looking gear.
and techno ninjas , lots of techno ninjas!
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a lower abdomen snake , human body , with decent tactical looking gear.
CMG just did a kick-starter of those. :D
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Without any knowledge if those would sell well, I personally am looking forward to play something like XCom/UFO or Urban Fantasy in 20mm.
20mm has IMO two major strengths:
1. the wide range of "modern" and WW2 urban buildings and vehicles you can buy cheaply at any model store. This makes some settings very easy, and I think i could well imagine something like MArines vs. Grey aliens and the like but also Zombies, Terminatorlike Robots etc.
2. the possibility to show some really dynamic/individual models, which with 15mm is sometimes difficult. Thus it would be perfect for anything set in an urban setting where models with character are fighting each other. Speak: "Superheores", Psychics, Vampires, Werewolves, Weird War Nazis like in the Hellboy comics, "Judges", Punks, robotic Cops etc.
So to come back to your question: Since I already have a lot of your models, I personally am not interested to buy the same stuff twice and having to build the same scenerey again. So for me, to be a customer, 20mm Khurasan would need to be something new, maybe some gritty 80s SciFi, maybe some Urban Horror...that would make me place an order.
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That's an interesting observation -- make it different from the 15mm stuff.
Although to be honest one of the reasons I'm doing this is to highlight the suitability of my alien ranges for 20mm gaming. Many of my alien types are larger than humans (for instance the Garn tyrannosauroids) and would make perfect 20mm man sized troopers.
Others, such as the Stikk insectmen, could be smaller than humans -- nothing preventing aliens from being so.
I'll probably do a comparison shot on the 20mm page showing all the aliens I make that could be suitable, compared to a 20mm human trooper....
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Actually I already use your 15mm Felids alongside 28mm Tau as aliens in my 20 mm games....
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Actually I already use your 15mm Felids alongside 28mm Tau as aliens in my 20 mm games....
I was going to ask about that on the NL FB group after I spotted them in your pictures.
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I'm probably the only one, but aliens like those in Edge of Tomorrow would be cool as well as the a faction like the Sakaaran from Guardians of the Galaxy.
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That's an interesting observation -- make it different from the 15mm stuff.
Although to be honest one of the reasons I'm doing this is to highlight the suitability of my alien ranges for 20mm gaming. Many of my alien types are larger than humans (for instance the Garn tyrannosauroids) and would make perfect 20mm man sized troopers.
Others, such as the Stikk insectmen, could be smaller than humans -- nothing preventing aliens from being so.
I'll probably do a comparison shot on the 20mm page showing all the aliens I make that could be suitable, compared to a 20mm human trooper....
Well, that's a fair enough point of view. However, it doesnt strictly contradict my proposal: If the Aliens fit more than one scale (and I know, they do, those excellent little bastards of yours...;) ), they also fit more than one setting, and that's brilliant (for me the collector and for you the businessman).
Yet, I personally as a collector would not be interested at all in buying the same human types for a new scale...here is a big opportunity for difference!
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So to come back to your question: Since I already have a lot of your models, I personally am not interested to buy the same stuff twice and having to build the same scenerey again. So for me, to be a customer, 20mm Khurasan would need to be something new, maybe some gritty 80s SciFi, maybe some Urban Horror...that would make me place an order.
^ this would get my vote.
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My expectation is that people who will buy these will be largely 20mm gamers. My thought was not to redo my existing ranges in 20mm scale. I'm doing that in 6mm but that's because 6mm can be used at one or even two levels up from 15mm so I think it's a valid project. 20mm is close enough that it doesn't make sense to replicate the 15mm ranges.
The 20mm human dolly parts made so far are for a completely new faction. I think the background will be that humans in the nearish future colonise Alpha Centauri and when they get there, there's already a sentient race who are tribal and not quite as far along in tech as humanity. The humans, having no choice (one way trip) settle down and at first peacefully co-exist. Then they discover another spacefaring race has already claimed the planet for itself ....
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Some human adventurers would be most welcome as well as some troops similar to Star Wars. :D
About aliens you could do (as mentioned) take some pictures of the available ones in 15mm that might suit for a start and then see the feedback of your costumers.
After that you can sort out what can be done to complete the range.
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Well if this range is in the same quality as your 15mm ranges, Im really looking forward to it!
I would hope, that your sculptors make use of the few extra "mms" to get some more character into the models. 20mm IMO is ideal for skirmishing, and Id love to see some decent versions of a near future Arnold, not-Ripley, not-Tank girl etc. I allows everything 28mm does, but still saves a lot of space and profits from the available stuff from hardplastic models.
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I'll probably do a comparison shot on the 20mm page showing all the aliens I make that could be suitable, compared to a 20mm human trooper....
That would really help!!.
I always look for some aliens in order to using them with my real-25mm sci-fi miniatures. And i really love your work, but, except for some alien races that would be presumably smaller that "human-sized" miniatures- in my case. i tend to presume that they are too small ( not necessarily the height, but the wide! that's why amb potentially interested on bulky alien races, specially if thay're sculpted for 20mm.
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Also, post apocalypse stuff that fits with hotwheels and matchbox cars!
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Hot wheels is 1/87th scale IIRC. 20mm is 1/72 scale.
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Hey,
1/87 is H0 aka that popular model railway scale. Some people use the buildings for Flames of War. The chunkiness of the 15mm sculpts and the added height of the bases make them quite compatible.
Most Hot Wheels are kept in the Matchbox 1:64 scale. (Trucks, large military and such from the same price band are 1:87 though, small jeeps tend to be 1:58, medium size military ist often 1/70 (Humvees and that Australian SAS thingie))
What goes for the combination of the the H0 1:87 Buildings with the 15s, goes as well for the 1:64 Stuff and 20mm. Most minis, even the 1/72s are that chunky, that they are more on the 1:64 side width wise. And with the additional height of the bases it looks rather "correct". Take a look over at the PostApoc board and you know what I mean.^^
(That's probably the reason why many people think Warlord's 1:56s look awkward.
I'd really love to see someone to introduce 1:52 as the True 28mm companion and less 1/56.)
That was much off-topic, but that's leads to why I'd like to see some Minis in 20mm in low tech scifi look suitable for PostApoc motorized gangs so I can combine them with my diecasts, just like YPU. Most sculpts are outdated.
Best for me would be if they are combineable with Vepa and Under Fire Miniatures. i.e. a more modern sculpting approach (proportion wise). Makes them more convincing with the diecasts and such imo.
Another Idea I like are some minis with a more near future vibe. Something like White Dragon Miniatures but with real world forces, just mid to late current century tech.
But you probably want to do more distant "real" SciFi anyway, I guess. My bad. I did'nt read properly before writing.
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First of all: finally! :)
20 mm/1:72 sci-fi has the same advantage as 20 mm/1:72 pulp:
http://umpapas.blogspot.com/2015/12/172-20-mm-pulp-weird-world-war-2.html
I think Your most selling product Jon are Felids. Kilrathi. Kzins. At least You Felids was what draw me into 15 mm sf. And I think those Felids could sell really well in 20 mm, if developed as slightly larger then typical 1:72 humans (say 24 mm?). I have whole army of Khurasan felids in 15 mm, even so I would buy a 20 mm platoon of Felids.
We do not need in 20 mm Not-Precisely-Aliens or Absolutely-Not-Predators mm as we already have them:
http://umpapas.blogspot.com/2014/11/20-mm-172-non-predator.html
http://umpapas.blogspot.com/2014/01/15-mm-20-mm-aliens-obcy.html
I should post evening more photos of those painted.
Here is my list of all possible figures for 20 mm sci-fi. Some are already produced by Khurasan as 15 mm , buts uits 20 mm as well (like Ti-Monids or Soriog):
http://www.strategie.net.pl/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=12999
P.S.: I really would love if You Jon would create 20 mm pulp figures, but that is beyond dreams. ;)
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Also, post apocalypse stuff that fits with hotwheels and matchbox cars!
I second this. Hotwheels, Matchbox et al. dont habe a fixed scale, there are some cars which even work with 15mm, but Id say a large part of the cars looks pretty good next to 20mm models, hence the high ebay prices for the still best 20mm minis ever made: GW's Dark Future.
So here could be indeed also a way to sell models!
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That was much off-topic, but that's leads to why I'd like to see some Minis in 20mm in low tech scifi look suitable for PostApoc motorized gangs so I can combine them with my diecasts, just like YPU. Most sculpts are outdated.
Best for me would be if they are combineable with Vepa and Under Fire Miniatures. i.e. a more modern sculpting approach (proportion wise). Makes them more convincing with the diecasts and such imo.
Another Idea I like are some minis with a more near future vibe. Something like White Dragon Miniatures but with real world forces, just mid to late current century tech.
But you probably want to do more distant "real" SciFi anyway, I guess. My bad. I did'nt read properly before writing.
Well that's pretty much compatible with what I meant when I said UFO or gitty 80s SF...
So maybe there's a real market in 20mm for "near future" / cyberpunk / madmax?
For me that would make sense given the cheap possibility for vehicles and terrain!
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Re: Post-Apo: there is quite many figures:
http://store.aberrantgames.com/wlgaac.html
http://www.stanjohansenminiatures.com/Road.htm
http://www.stanjohansenminiatures.com/Terrorists-Spys.htm
http://www.cpmodelsminiatures.co.uk/TQD%20CASTINGS%20EPOCH%20OF%20THE%20DEAD%20MINIATURES.htm
Plus Elhiem.
Oh and I forgot illegal Not-Storm-Truupperrss from AstroConflicts:
http://www.minitoysoldier.com/class.asp?page=4&k=2&c=8
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To be honest, most of those are why I am happy to see Khurasan enter the 20mm field.
I'll add a vote for some future post-apoc stuff, something with a Pig Iron Productions vibe would be super cool, but that's highly influenced by what our group is playing right now... Most everything Khurasan commits to producing looks tasty and tempting.
The idea of encouraging more inventive use of the existing 15mm sci-fi line is smart. Heck, now that my 20mm gaming buddies have moved out of town, I'm looking for inventive ways to repurpose my 20mm WWII terrain and collection!
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Thanks, yes I think many 15mm offerings are perfect for 20mm but there's a mindset that says, "that's 15mm so not suitable." Of course that does not apply to humans -- they obviously do not cross over, which is why I'll make some.
Post-apoc seems to be a popular ask, but I'm thinking more straight sci fi, although there's nothing that says that NF/SF type troopers are completely off limits for that. In fact, recently a French rules set came out that uses my 28mm Federal Army models as a post-apoc faction.
The aliens I'll be making will be a tall slender tribal race (think Green Men of Mars, but with better tech and fewer arms), and then I may make a high tech opponent for the humans, possibly centauriods that are about a tall as a human in 20mm -- making them perfect for large centauroids in 15mm! :-)
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Jon, please carefully consider investing Your time and money.
There is at least 2 other producers which are at the last stage of producing 20 mm SF:
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=418023
I suppose modern Greys (UFOs) 20 mm should sell well.
Still I hope for 20 mm Felids. ;) Go 20 mm Kilrathi, go! :D
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Jon, please carefully consider investing Your time and money.
If I did that, I'd invest my money in short term commercial paper. If you're a miniatures fan, that's the last thing you want to recommend to a manufacturer. :-D
There is at least 2 other producers which are at the last stage of producing 20 mm SF:
Didn't look at the link, but that's a good thing, not a bad thing.
Still I hope for 20 mm Felids. ;)
Won't be making those, as I said I'm not going to redo the existing ranges in 20mm. The new stuff will be unique from the 15mm ranges.
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I think you are right to go that route. Unique is good. And, as been said many times - aliens can be deadly no matter what their size.
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As for the link, I think another Traveller like line is good but any really good 20mm line of SF humans will attract the 20mm guys or even 15mm guys who want "Really large" but not "giant" humanoids to fight.
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I don't think 15mm gamers would use these humans TBH. They might use the centauroids though as a certain herd species of sentient space travelers!
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Anything that could be use against "today's human" in an alien invasion of Earth would be nice!
The're already a LOT of figures and hardware available for modern warfare... except, maybe, a few civilian (non-fighting) figures 8)
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<q>Haven't sold a set of Cniderians in over a year. </q>
Could I get a link? I can't find them.
Doug
Edit: Isn't that cute? I'm using TMP formatting... ::)
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<q>Haven't sold a set of Cniderians in over a year. </q>
Could I get a link? I can't find them.
Doug
I'd like to see that link too.
I can't imagine something done to your usual standards not selling in that long to at least someone...
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Is that these?
(http://khurasanminiatures.tripod.com/t1203.jpg)
They're on this page (Ctrl+F 'Overlord')
http://khurasanminiatures.tripod.com/15mmscifi.html
I want to know when you're releasing these?! :D
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-q4kw54xwHv4/UKqmSXgCLiI/AAAAAAAAJHg/VKn0Qxtmx9Q/s1600/Khurasan+Miniatures+Species+84+b.jpg)
They'd probably work OK for 20mm too!
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Any progress on this 20mm sci-fi project? ::)
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Yes, the desert aliens, the Shunqs, are done and will be released first. The Terran colonist military force will be made next -- the dolly parts have been cast. The alien imperialist centaurs will be done last.