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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: joroas on May 12, 2016, 11:30:29 AM
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I have the original of this game, but GW is releasing a new edition of sorts. It looks very AoSish, and having stunned my self by the idea of £15 for an unpainted figure, have already talked myself out of it.
Any other thoughts?
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Listen to that inner voice of wisdom. 😉
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First reviews are starting to land. As a huge fan of the original Quest, I'm intrigued: http://volomir.com/index.php/2016/05/12/warhammer-quest-silver-tower/
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I think if you're an AoS player or a Chaos player who likes the current style model range it's probably a good buy. It appears to be a very shallow interpretation of the orginal game and the Tzeentch-only room cards don't do much for me. The complete absence of a hefty role-play book has pretty much sealed it for me. The GW minis are not nearly generic enough for it to warrant a "pick up for dungeon crawl minis" purchase.
I think it could be very good as its own game, but as a replacement for the original - I'll be giving this one a pass.
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I've heard it's a good game in its own right, but if I get it I'll clearly be adding the components to my burgeoning classic collection, and making my own custom rules for any components that aren't easily ported across. I've got too much invested in WHQ to replace it (and my nostalgia goggles are way too thick) lol
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First reviews are starting to land. As a huge fan of the original Quest, I'm intrigued: http://volomir.com/index.php/2016/05/12/warhammer-quest-silver-tower/
Your link does not work I'm afraid.
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It did work, but the article has been taken down. I wonder if the guy has received a copy far too early, and GW has had words? Probably means there's a Spanish trade account in a bit of trouble right now...
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I really like the barbarian but have no interest in the rest - I hope they will sell the figures singly.
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The barbarian looks splendid as does the big horned demon fellow! I actually quite like the miniatures such as the cultists and the birdmen like miniatures. I have gathered some pictures on my blog if of interest. Not sure if the forum policy allows me to directly post leaked pictures or link to them. Think I read there will be 50-60 miniatures in the box, also read that the miniatures won't be available individually as they share sprues. Not sure of price though any pointers? Edit found price $150
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Your link does not work I'm afraid.
Just http://cachedview.com/ it
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://volomir.com/index.php/2016/05/12/warhammer-quest-silver-tower/ (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://volomir.com/index.php/2016/05/12/warhammer-quest-silver-tower/)
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We are just afraid this could be a trap for your pockets in the future!
There it is in a nutshell.....
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Well I'm pleasantly surprised by the bad guys. The cached pictures do them much more justice than the stuff I'd seen. Probably still not $150 value to me, but I've bought sillier things. I just don't know how much I'd use them as I don't see myself playing the game a whole heck of a lot. If I was a Tzeentch player I'd be all over it - figures for your army and then ebay the single heroes for cash back on your purchase.
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and having stunned my self by the idea of £15 for an unpainted figure, have already talked myself out of it.
Do you remember how much those single miniature character expansions were for Warhammer Quest? Those weren't cheap, add in 20 years of inflation (x1.75 for the UK)! At the time I don't remember any venues that allowed me to buy with a 20% discount whenever I want...
GW isn't cheap, the single plastic miniatures are very expensive. But with the 'value' army packs (getting started, army boxes, etc.), a 20% discount I'm currently buying most of the GW plastic minis for half price... Things like WHQ: Silver Towers is GBP76 (Wayland inc. shipping) for 51 minis, that's GBP1,5 per mini. It has those funny chaos familiars in plastic, the monsters look very cool. Imho some of the heros don't look so great, but I've just put in my three box preorder.
I suspect that the rules are a bit 'light', but imho the most fun part of non-computer RPG/board/mini games is expanding with your own rules. Especially with things like dungeon crawlers. The amount of fun we had with friends making their own Heroquest adventures and monsters was awesome! Folks that have the original, still have the original and can use this as an 'expansion', that's how I use it. The minis from the original WHQ are 20 years old and not that... Great, even at the time they were kind of static...
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The FLGS here, less than 150 yards from the GW store, has it down as a pre-order, with added goodies, for £72. I was, however, hoping for a new WHQ, not an AoS add-on, no sale here.
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Well that's sound more like a reasonable price for me. The shop doesn't ship coincidentally to germany?
Shoplink would be nice.
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The FLGS here, less than 150 yards from the GW store, has it down as a pre-order, with added goodies, for £72. I was, however, hoping for a new WHQ, not an AoS add-on, no sale here.
What's the store name and do they sell online?!!! ;)
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I picked up a copy from an ebay seller for £76. The sorceror is one of the nicest models I have seen for a long time, cannot wait to paint that guy up. The familiars look great too. In fact, all the bad guys (apart from the sakven and weird coffee table goblins) will be added to my chaos army. The good guys and anything left will be thrown back on to ebay, maybe painted, look like interesting figures to paint.
Sorry I'm not joining in the GW bashfest, though I am thinking of going along to a few random threads to tell folks I won't be buying their stuff.
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Dark Sphere in London had a pre-order special of the box plus the two White Dwarfs for £71.25, but seem to have sold the 80 or so they were allotted already...
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http://www.incomgaming.co.uk/products/warhammer-quest-silver-tower
The price was a pre-order for today in shop.
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What was the relationship, if any, between Advanced Heroquest (which I remember) and Warhammer Quest (which was "after my time")?
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Totally different games. Heroquest (By Milton Bradley) and Advanced Heroquest was GW. WHQ was a more Roleplaying version of the standard dungeoneering game.
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Although I hate AoS, I'm really digging this and will be incorporating it into classic Warhammer Quest. I'll turn the sigmarine into a paladin. Just chop of the helmet and add a bare head. I look at it as a add on but I'm sure it's a fun game on its own. We have all been very critical of everything GW do, and rightly so, but their current range of board games (Execution Force, Betrayal at Calth, Deathwatch Overkill) have been very enjoyable and the quality is the highest in the business
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Sorry I'm not joining in the GW bashfest, though I am thinking of going along to a few random threads to tell folks I won't be buying their stuff.
Yeah, some people are so disinterested in GW and divorced from everything they do that they can't help but tell everyone how much they're not interested and why. ;)
But back on topic, I rather like the look this set. AoS didn't grab me but a one box board game deal is very appealing. GW certainly know what they're doing. I've bought very little from them over the past couple of decades but these kind of releases in recent years have really got me. WQ was after my time so whether it's a re-imagining or a totally different game I don't mind.
By the way, in looking for the cheapest deal I found a number of webstores that had pre-orders but no prices given and only if you phoned them up! Wayland it is I suppose.
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Goodies? Are you talking about that Battle Mage promo card?
They are not GW webshop exclusive?
That 72 Pound deal seems is gone?
I am a bit worried about the size of the miniatures. I thougt those sigmarines were huge automatons but now the other minis seem to be in the same (38mm) scale or am I wrong?
Gosh I hate scalecreep.
Thanx Jere.
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Dark Sphere in London had a pre-order special of the box plus the two White Dwarfs for £71.25, but seem to have sold the 80 or so they were allotted already...
We sold the all online within a few hours of putting the offer up. We spent most of the day today messing around with the miniatures and my god, this is not a game for those new to the hobby! Between us we barely managed to get the models assembled without tears. lol
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Note all the below is personal opinion so please keep that in mind.
Being stuck in the a**e end of nowhere (also known as Australia) I am going to be paying the exchange rate tax, but I will still be picking this up. All the miniatures vary between excellent and acceptable (high points: the Thaumaturge and the familiars, low point: goblin scuttlers) for me so worthwhile on that basis alone.
In terms of it being AoS and that being a barrier due to not being the old Warhammer setting. Can I propose an easy solution? Pretend it is the old Warhammer setting. All of the models are readily equivalent to things in previous version of warhammer (scuttlers again being the real exception here, although the Thaumaturge also requires a bit of justification). The Tzaangor is a great model of something that has been in the Warhammer Fantasy setting since at least the Realms of Chaos books. The characters are all representative of standard tropes so apart from the Stormcast and the Fyre slayer you could use them in any setting. And even those two can be easily swapped out for alternatives (heavily armoured knight on foot - Stormcast, dwarf with two weapons - fyre slayer). Human cultists have been there since... anybody else remember the Purple Hand? Horrors are old news. Gaunt summoner = wizard. Familiars = familiars.
In terms of the game itself. No it is not Warhammer Quest with new models and new components. Yes it is a new game, drawing on a lot of what I see in modern Ameri-trash games. The initial reviews out so far are positive . Yes there is leveling (you gain new skills that you can keep between missions and treasure that you have a chance of retaining). Yes there is a lot of random generation. Yes expansions are already planned and will be available on release day.
In terms of price. Compare to Level 7: Omega Protocol. Similar style of game, but Level 7 has much reduced random generation and no leveling (can keep items between missions but these are very limited). It costs AUD70 (through Amazon) for the game which includes 37 soft plastic models of much lower quality than in Silver Tower and for me have no use outside of Level 7. So if buying for the models Silver Tower gives me higher quality miniatures that I can use in my games of AoS (which I play.. shock horror, feel free to disregard my opinion now as I clearly am a halfwit with no idea of what a good game is) and at a cost of AUD4 per model versus AUD2. In terms of game play Level 7 is good but what I have read suggests that Silver Tower will be comparable in gameplay.
Overall, I am very excited for it, roll on next week.
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There are Reviews and SHops who already have them? I thougt release is next saturday damn. Any links?
So I can test the game in the FLGS and preorder it then, if I am lucky?
@mhs: Originally I had the same plan, but I am still struggling with me, because I am just not sure if the aesthetics (iconogography, proportions, anorganic CGI, clusterfuck of Details) are to OTT for Old Warhammer.
I don't like the Gobbos but they doesn't seem unreasonable to me. If I remember correctly in the Northern Wastes were some Chaos Goblin Tribes. Models are mabye a bit to uniform still. Wasted potential.
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There are Reviews and SHops who already have them? I thougt release is next saturday damn. Any links?
So I can test the game in the FLGS and preorder it then, if I am lucky?
@mhs: Originally I had the same plan, but I am still struggling with me, because I am just not sure if the aesthetics (iconogography, proportions, anorganic CGI, clusterfuck of Details) are to OTT for Old Warhammer.
I don't like the Gobbos but they doesn't seem unreasonable to me. If I remember correctly in the Northern Wastes were some Chaos Goblin Tribes. Models are mabye a bit to uniform still. Wasted potential.
Games workshop has started a new habit of sending out review/display copies ahead of the release. We had renagade,deathwatch,calth and this game all the week before the pre order date to allow us to get familiar with the game.
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Ranty...
I'm not sure when it happened, but over the last 4 or 5 years I've become rather grognardish when it comes to RPGs and Miniature Games. I feel like one by one everything I've gotten real pleasure out of playing has been taken from me, twisted, and destroyed beyond anything I recognize. To me this game is almost an insult. Something that has been beloved for decades has been revived, but as an abomination by upstarts who "just don't get it" when it comes to everything players thought was cool about Warhammer Fantasy.
I'm not a hater, and I'm happy for the people who will enjoy this, and yeah, I know I can still play the game I have...it just makes me a little sad and betrayed for some reason (and I know that's silly).
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This happened to us WFRP players with second edition. They wiped out huge chunks of the Empire in the Storm of Chaos and remade entire other nations in a way that defied all logic and playability - all in the name of WFB. Tickles me pink how many WFB players are reacting to the same being done to them.
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Tickles me pink how many WFB players are reacting to the same being done to them.
Well, I played WFB since late 3rd edition (but mostly 4th-6th), WFRP 1st and a bit of 2nd, and WQ...so now I've (personally) had all 3 ruined by editions that followed.
Like I said, you can always play whatever version you like...but somehow it seems impossible to go back once things change.
I have this odd feeling that in a year or so GW is going to realize their mistake and try to revive "classic" Warhammer. But it might be too late.
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There are Reviews and SHops who already have them? I thougt release is next saturday damn. Any links?
So I can test the game in the FLGS and preorder it then, if I am lucky?
@mhs: Originally I had the same plan, but I am still struggling with me, because I am just not sure if the aesthetics (iconogography, proportions, anorganic CGI, clusterfuck of Details) are to OTT for Old Warhammer.
I don't like the Gobbos but they doesn't seem unreasonable to me. If I remember correctly in the Northern Wastes were some Chaos Goblin Tribes. Models are mabye a bit to uniform still. Wasted potential.
Hi Jerekin.
Go to https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/197572/warhammer-quest-silver-tower and there are currently two reviews, one more detailed than the other. Obviously early days but they are both very positive. If you visit Dakka Dakka and they have an AoS review thread and there are, from memory 2 or 3 posts from people who played this weekend. They have said good things about it.
The only thing I have so far read that has given me pause is that the first quest appears to be quite easy. However, there is plenty of indication that the first quest is kind of training wheels on so should be easy to blast through and that later missions are far from a cakewalk. As an anecdote, about a week ago at my gaming group we played the first mission of the latest Level 7 game. We took some minor damage and stomped through the mission. From experience however I know this is not reflective of the overall difficulty of the game so would not take this to mean the game itself is an easy beat.
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Ranty...
I'm not sure when it happened, but over the last 4 or 5 years I've become rather grognardish when it comes to RPGs and Miniature Games. I feel like one by one everything I've gotten real pleasure out of playing has been taken from me, twisted, and destroyed beyond anything I recognize. To me this game is almost an insult. Something that has been beloved for decades has been revived, but as an abomination by upstarts who "just don't get it" when it comes to everything players thought was cool about Warhammer Fantasy.
I'm not a hater, and I'm happy for the people who will enjoy this, and yeah, I know I can still play the game I have...it just makes me a little sad and betrayed for some reason (and I know that's silly).
I understand and I feel the same way in many instances.
I think the reason is pretty simple: gaming does not necessarily get better with technology or the passage of time. While technology can bring us cooler toys and occasionally more of them for the money (digital sculpting is occasionally quite good, plastics allow big cheap armies, apps are neat for game aids etc.) pushing toy soldiers across a table and rolling dice doesn't "age" or become out-dated.
Unfortunately the push of technology does allow everything to be made cheaper and sold cheaper. It's actually difficult to find a quality board game if you wander into a Wal-Mart and want to pick up a copy of Sorry, Parcheesi, Monopoly etc. The cost may be excellent but I find myself looking for a copy of the game I might be able to actually keep in the family for the next 20-30 years. We have a scrabble board with wood pieces from 1956 in our household...haven't needed to replace it yet!
New rules do not necessarily equate to better rules. As with almost all reboots (movie franchises, cars, etc.) the manufacturer often tries to go overboard or push the boundaries when I'd personally settle for a nice visual update and a classic re-telling of said product.
My gaming group was hoping a new Warhammer Quest would come out, but one which was akin to its predecessor, hopefully with nicer minis, and higher quality printed cards etc. While I'm sure the new game is fine, we didn't want a new game, nor Tzeentchian floor tiles. I'm sure the new game is fine in its own right, but that's not the game I was hoping for. It sucks a little, but it's at least some closure that there will not be a successor to the original game...so at least I can stop wondering! lol
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@nic-e and mhsellwood: Ahh, good to know, thanks guys! :)
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I think that while nostalgia is totally understandable, it's also understandable that not everyone feels the same way about things. I still occasionally grumble inwardly when I see internet complaining about Black Templars not being quite as opposed to psykers becuase I remember them being a codex compliant chapter. Someone else might think THAT's silly, because they remember when Ultramarines were a second founding chapter, or what have you.
That isn't to say that we shouldn't castigate producers when they produce dreck that's simply a way to cash in on people's memories (though, really, that's all marketing, no?), but there are times when something is made that's both good and also a way to cash in on old memories rather than rely on making new good impressions. Silver Tower at least seems to do both things.
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Those floor tiles.......... I know the heroes are up against Tzeencth, but still... still psychedelic crap kills immersion for me. Cancelled my pre-order just because of the tiles.
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Well, I played WFB since late 3rd edition (but mostly 4th-6th), WFRP 1st and a bit of 2nd, and WQ...so now I've (personally) had all 3 ruined by editions that followed.
Like I said, you can always play whatever version you like...but somehow it seems impossible to go back once things change.
I have this odd feeling that in a year or so GW is going to realize their mistake and try to revive "classic" Warhammer. But it might be too late.
http://forum.oldhammer.org.uk/ (http://forum.oldhammer.org.uk/)
There is even a US oldhammer day for you. Who knows there may even be a local player. Nothing stops you continuing on with the games you love but yourself.
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Nothing stops you continuing on with the games you love but yourself.
True for many games...but not something like WFB where you need other people as passionate as you. If you can't find these people you are kind of out of luck.
I played WFB almost exclusively for a decade with 4 other people just as dedicated as me. We called each other to talk about our new armies and scenario ideas, we went on long roundtrips to new stores to buy miniatures (before eBay). We came to each game session to reveal a newly painted unit or conversion or a surprise ally that would be the core of a new army.
It was even more awesome than I realized at the time.
Now, I find it impossible to find anyone to play anything but the 2 or 3 games that are "hot" in the US. On occasion, If I paint up entire opposing armies, I can convince someone to try a game of something "odd"...but it's just a one shot.
In my experience there are passionate hobbyists (like me) who love the entire hobby. They love painting, collecting, converting, building terrain, creating scenarios and campaigns, and always trying to push things in new directions getting excited about everything and anything you or other likeminded people bring to the table...and then there are the majority of people who are simply gamers, where this is simply another hobby that fills a little spare time until they move onto something else.
Finding gamers is easy, so long as I make all the effort and spend all the money. But this is always unsatisfying. Finding other hobbyists, especially ones with as tastes as eclectic as mine, and in a place as remote as where I live, has proven to be a very daunting task (and depressing).
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Nothing stops you continuing on with the games you love but yourself.
Well, it would help if I had a copy of the game.
The old 1990's GW games were often starter sets (AHQ, ASC) with stats for additional models. AHQ only came with one adventure, and 20 skaven models of the same sculpt. How do today's boxed games hold up for variety and replayability? While initial reviews of WQST are favorable, I'd like to know how many adventures / scenarios / campaigns the game has. As said earlier, when you buy a game from GW, you buy with the expectations that you will continue to buy more.
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I haven't played Silver Tower yet so I can't answer the question on re-playability but it isn't necessarily true that with GW games you will be expected to buy more, especially these one off games. Certainly I've had the new Space Hulk for about seven years now and not only haven't I bought anything new I don't think there is anything new to buy. I haven't heard anything about more releases for the Genestealer cult game either.
I would welcome a supplement for Betrayal At Calth but haven't heard anything about something like that.
There are some add ons planned for Silver Tower but this doesn't seem to be the norm for these GW boxed games that are being released lately.
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The My Hero app is live.
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So did any of you end up buying this? If so, what was the game like please?
Most of the recent GW boxed board game reviews seem to concentrate on "easy" stuff like shiny models and looking at all the box contents... But there's rarely much on the games themselves (which I know for Calth and Overkill are barely worthy of being called such, but still).
Obviously, I do know it's not like the old WHQ and has no RPG elements; this is just a GW AoS-themed crawler using the WHQ name for continuity and brand recognition/reinforcement. I am still curious about how it plays however, and whether folks who have played it think it's any good.
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Good to see you're approaching it with an open mind, though ;)
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I'll probably buy into the Massive Darkness to get my dungeon crawl quick fix. I sold off Dungeon Saga after being hugely underwhelmed with the stuff I received. If I had any need for the figures in WHQST I'd jump on it. For now, a solid pass.
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So did any of you end up buying this? If so, what was the game like please?
Most of the recent GW boxed board game reviews seem to concentrate on "easy" stuff like shiny models and looking at all the box contents... But there's rarely much on the games themselves (which I know for Calth and Overkill are barely worthy of being called such, but still).
Obviously, I do know it's not like the old WHQ and has no RPG elements; this is just a GW AoS-themed crawler using the WHQ name for continuity and brand recognition/reinforcement. I am still curious about how it plays however, and whether folks who have played it think it's any good.
I haven't bought it, but i have sold hundreds of boxes over the last week.
Everyone who has played it that ive spoken to has been really positive and a good few have said that whilst it differs from warhammer quest, it feels like warhammer quest updated to modern dungeon crawl standards.
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I thought I saw a post with this info but now can't recall where - what size are the miniatures?
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Heroic 28mm, standard Games Workshop fair. Some of the larger creatures are probably 60-80mm in height.
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Age of Sigmar is upscaled vs Warhammer Fantasy, so these are 30-32mm+ scaled, no longer even pretending to be 28mm now for GW.
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Yep, should have clarified, by "Heroic 28mm", GW is really meaning around 32mm-esque.
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Thanks for the info - I thought I saw a picture that made the barbarian look fairly large, 32mm is fine for me though.
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I don't know specifically about the Silver Tower stuff but the AoS stuff is the same size as the WHFB stuff. So the blood reavers from the boxed set aren't any bigger than Chaos marauders. They are more buff, but I guess you get that working for Khorne and swinging an axe all day. Some of those other marauders probably worked for Slaanesh here and there. So maybe bigger forearms and all that but not the chest size of the Khorne blokes.
The Stormcast guys are bigger but they are supposed to be bigger guys, not out of scale with the old stuff, but almost Ogre sized armoured angels.
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Still waiting on my copy but in a recent white dwarf there was a little bit from the model designers. They specifically said that the War Priest and the Barbarian are scaled to be large people, so they are big but it is a design decision. Can't speak to the rest but most of the things I have read suggest same scale as other releases.
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I don't know specifically about the Silver Tower stuff but the AoS stuff is the same size as the WHFB stuff. So the blood reavers from the boxed set aren't any bigger than Chaos marauders. They are more buff, but I guess you get that working for Khorne and swinging an axe all day. Some of those other marauders probably worked for Slaanesh here and there. So maybe bigger forearms and all that but not the chest size of the Khorne blokes.
Ah but the point that's missed here is that the marauders are already 32mm to begin with, they are substantially bigger than old Empire state troops.
AoS is scaling the game up with new releases that are not re-releases and it's most obvious with the Orruks (still a stupid name).
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But the marauders were released over a decade ago. I don't remember their release date but they are in the 2004-5 catalog. If GW is scaling the game up, it happened a long time ago and has nothing to do with AoS.
The new Orruks aren't scaled up. They are supposed to be bigger Orcs. The Orcs that already were are bigger than the original orcs GW made but they came out with 6th edition in 2000 or so.
The marauders are 32mm to the bottom of their top knots, but the empire troops are 31mm to the top of their heads.
AoS isn't scaling up the game, it is just making more over-the-top larger models for the game to be more fantasy than it was.
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I thought I saw a post with this info but now can't recall where - what size are the miniatures?
Just a few rough measurements seeing as we're all guessing.
The barbarian is a biggee at about 38mm
The priest fella (with gryphound) is about 32mm
Cultist chaps about 32mm
Beastmen a little over 32mm in some cases (hard to measure as I've not assembled them)
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Christ, are we measuring to the eyes again? lol
There's no doubt about it, the figures are big but there's no real context to say they're not just big people. Even the Acolytes aren't 'regular' humans (I'd doubt we'll ever see those in AoS). What I can say is that the Acolytes Adept stands nearly a head above the old twin hammer Warrior Priest and Mordheim Freelancer, both of which are in a similar standing pose.
Edit: just reread last weeks white dwarf article the sculptor does mention the Acolytes are 'regular' humans in size, so yeah... They're big regular guys!
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Here's a (poor quality, sorry) comparison photo. I'm afraid the FG cultist and the guardsman have lady heads as that's all I've got assembled.
(http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss125/Khorosho-Productions/STcomp_zpsbcy82kt0.jpg)
The Empire soldier is of course a stunted peasant of a man, while the Acolytes are tall, magical body builders, so I'd be happy for them to fight each other. I actually prefer the idea of using the much smaller Warrior Priest rather than the massive new War Priest as it just seems more heroic for the adventurers to be facing such massive opponents and not be massive themselves!
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I agree, much more heroic if the heroes are smaller/standard. It's a bit telling they all appear to be on 32mm bases as well.
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Christ, are we measuring to the eyes again? lol
If by "again" you mean what GW and just about everyone else has been doing for the last 20 years...
...then Yes.
I'm no expert, but GW has been sizing up both 40k and AoS. Whereas alot of stuff used to be 28mm sole-to-eye, much is now 30-32mm sometimes much bigger. Interestingly this makes some projects easier to do. Jan just use the AoS Storm-something-or-others to make some impressive looking "truescale" marines.
(http://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2016_05/GrVergleich11.jpg.f44b3c03795b4ad6ff57c047e273d1c3.jpg)
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If by "again" you mean what GW and just about everyone else has been doing for the last 2 years...
...then Yes.
I'm no expert, but GW has been sizing up both 40k and AoS. Whereas alot of stuff used to be 28mm sole-to-eye, much is now 30-32mm sometimes much bigger. Interestingly this makes some projects easier to do. Jan just use the AoS Storm-something-or-others to make some impressive looking "truescale" marines.
(http://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/monthly_2016_05/GrVergleich11.jpg.f44b3c03795b4ad6ff57c047e273d1c3.jpg)
They look like they're making fun of battle brother captain halfpint.
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Good to see you're approaching it with an open mind, though ;)
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I acknowledge that despite its namecheck to an older game, I know it's not really anything like the old game (I know it can't be just by looking at the game components and the way the dice are arranged on the character cards in "pools").
I also don't really like AoS myself, but this is a self-contained game that could actually take place pretty much anywhere along the Warhammer timeline. As a self-contained game therefore, its being AoS doesn't automatically make it a no-no for me.
Regardless, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask if the game is actually any good or not (especially considering that GW are seeming to support this with an app and more characters - unlike Calth or Overkill).
@ nic-e:
Well I pleased to see that it's been well received at least. If you get any chance to explain the game mechanics and perhaps provide a personal impression of the game, I'd appreciate it.
@ everyone else:
Yeah, I know the new AoS stuff is basically a full head bigger than most of the older WHFB 7/8th stuff. As long as each side is reasonably well-scaled to itself, I don't mind a bit of difference between them. I think GW's AoS stuff can be reasonably called "32mm Heroic scale" now though...
@ Andrew Rae:
Interesting picture, thank you! I already thought the plastic Cadians were huge though, so seeing them dwarfed by the AoS stuff is not reassuring me that they'll find much use in my existing fantasy forces.
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If by "again" you mean what GW and just about everyone else has been doing for the last 2 years...
...then Yes.
I was just really hoping maybe we'd moved on to something slightly less daft! But let's not get into that. It makes my head hurt. ;)
@ Major-Gilbear, I think the only one that would look truly out of place alongside older GW figures is the War Priest. No idea why they decided to make him a 7 foot monster, but he's also the weakest figure in my opinion so no loss there.
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I was just really hoping maybe we'd moved on to something slightly less daft! But let's not get into that. It makes my head hurt. ;)
@ Major-Gilbear, I think the only one that would look truly out of place alongside older GW figures is the War Priest. No idea why they decided to make him a 7 foot monster, but he's also the weakest figure in my opinion so no loss there.
Oops, I miswrote. I meant to say 20 years (not 2). Not to get too deep into it, but I find to-the eye measurements really easy and quite useful. Especially in wargames with minis(like everything GW makes) that often have rather shwl we say "extensive" head dress.
It's been a standard for a few decades because it works.
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So did any of you end up buying this? If so, what was the game like please?
Finally played a game after slogging through assembling all the figures!
It's worth bearing in mind we're going through something of a heat wave here in the west of Scotland - pale flesh turning read. Most of the day had been spent baking in the sun and a couple of bottles of wine and several vodkas and gins were consumed that evening. But despite our addled minds the game was easy to get into. An index would have been handy as the rules are kind of spread out but I'm pretty sure we had everything sussed after a round or two. If I'd read the rules again sober before playing there wouldn't have been any issues.
It was a two-player game (the dwarf and barbar) and at first my other half sighed like a moody teenager about the rules ("Roll more bloody dice?", "Why can't I attack you?") but again, after a round or two she was getting into it and mocking my inability to kill anything. In the first room I took 4 wounds (one more and I'd be out of the game until there was a monsters phase with no monsters) while she racked up Renown points and so it continued. The flavour text in the Adventure book (stumblingly read by me) had sound effects added (by her). Treasure was cooed over. Familiars were nabbed. Unexpected events were feared (bloody Horrors).
Unfortunately we didn't get to finish the Quest as we noticed we'd left a window slightly open and now the roof and walls were swarming with hundreds of midgies. I guess it does show how absorbed we were in the game that we missed the crawling blackness on the walls! So I embarked on another, much less enjoyable Quest to hoover up all the little buggers. >:(
But it has been announced that the Quest must be resumed, so surely that counts as a successful introduction to the game. :)
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Interesting review, I used to live next to a farm and made the mistake of leaving the window open on a warm evening. Never thought of a hoover, I spent ages armed only with a tea towel.
Having put together a few of the chaos figures, I can confirm that they do take some time - but they are bloody lovely too. My chaos army will be getting a Tzeentch contingent at last. Not bothered about the game myself, never really liked dungeon crawls, they always seem so tedious and there's no real tactical thinking required - enter the room, slay the monsters, pick up the treasure, enter the next room, slay more monsters, get more treasure, etc ad nauseum. I sold my gaming components straight away on ebay, but they did look nicely put together. Probably better with sound effects.
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We'd played a few games of Hnefatafl before hand as I'd found a copy in a charity shop, but we discovered neither of us had much in way of tactical nous so a dungeon crawl was about our level. lol That said, there are plenty of decisions to be made in Silver Tower as to how to spend your action and destiny dice and such like, certainly more decisions than the original game ever had.
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Thank you for the review Andrew. :)
I have to admit that I finally found a synopsis of the game's workings on 4chan of all places, so I was able to somewhat sate my curiosity recently.
It's worth bearing in mind we're going through something of a heat wave here in the west of Scotland - pale flesh turning read. Most of the day had been spent baking in the sun and a couple of bottles of wine and several vodkas and gins were consumed that evening. But despite our addled minds the game was easy to get into. An index would have been handy as the rules are kind of spread out but I'm pretty sure we had everything sussed after a round or two. If I'd read the rules again sober before playing there wouldn't have been any issues.
I see Tzeentch's influence at work here... I think you'll mostly be okay though, at least until you start sprouting additional limbs or gain unusual features like colourful feathers, beaks, or eyestalks! ;)
That said, there are plenty of decisions to be made in Silver Tower as to how to spend your action and destiny dice and such like, certainly more decisions than the original game ever had.
Yes, I realised that reading 4chan. The mechanics remind me a little of Matakishi's games in that you have a pool of dice that you can spend for certain actions. Also, as I understand it, you roll the pool at the start of the combat and then "spend" the results to activate certain actions and special abilities depending on what you rolled?
Either way, it seemed simple but pretty entertaining and reasonably nuanced. I have nostalgia for the old WHQ stat-crunching style of play, but I admit that it wasn't especially quick or smooth to for new players to get to grips with and probably didn't add much to the game. Silver Tower seems to have concentrated on the fun bits of skill activation rather than grinding towards hitting a goblin with a sword slightly more easily.
Anyway, I'd be interested in further updates and observations as you play more! :)
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Also, as I understand it, you roll the pool at the start of the combat and then "spend" the results to activate certain actions and special abilities depending on what you rolled?
Yup, a player rolls four action dice at the start of their turn and they spend these dice to perform actions. Actions such as move, and one type of weapon attack, can use any dice from 1-6. Other actions, such as buffs, special actions or more powerful attacks, require you to spend a dice that has a higher value. For example, the Fyreslayer can spend a dice of 5 or more to use his axe (you still need to roll to hit) which can do more damage than his regular attack. Or the Stormcast can spend a 3 or more dice to improve his save for the round.
Each character also gains extra Renown in different ways, in addition to 1 point for every enemy you kill. The War Priest gains extra by healing 2 wounds in a turn using one of his special (3+ dice) actions, while the Fyreslayer gets extra by getting wounded! Once you make it around the Renown dial tracker thing, you get a Skill card. So you're encouraged to play each character differently beyond how they perform their actions.
There seems to be plenty to keep the basic game-play interesting.
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I'm goggling at the revelation of a good game coming out of GW. And worrying about what that prospect might mean for my hobby budget.
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I have to admit, that actually sounds a lot like the type of thing I've wanted for a long time!
I mean, yeah dungeon crawlers are "linear" and straightforward in what most of them are, but there's still plenty of nuance to be had from cools skills, positioning, and memorable game moments too. I'm pleasantly pleased (cautiously delighted?) that Silver Tower seems to have understood and provided this. :)
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Sorry to bump a thread all - can anyone with the game tell me how well I could play with 15mm minis on the board? How does the board 'scale'? Thinking of buying the game -minis off eBay and using my Daemonworld minis (they're on 20mm bases)
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the squares are quite large but that shouldn't be too much of an issue.
If you're basing your 15mm on 20mm bases they're going to look small on the board pieces, but hey, it is a magical floating god tower, who's to say it isn't going to make you feel tiny?
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Well that's very true - worth a punt I reckon.
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If anything it'll make the game a bit easier to play, as you won't be struggling to extract large, spiky figures from a huddle of other large, spiky figures. The squares are fairly big (32mm?) but some of the figures are even bigger!