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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Jagannath on May 12, 2016, 10:22:04 PM
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Hullo all,
I'm a rare position to contribute today!
I bought the Horizon Wars rules to tinker with 15mm games using stands of troops, but I was really taken with the 'scale' of the game. I love Epic, but no longer own an army and you need a lot of units, more than my attention span can survive. Horizon Wars suits 5-20 elements, which is pretty much perfect to my mind.
So - I ordered a few packs from Brigade's 6mm mercenaries, then some custom bases from Warbasea once the tanks arrived, so I could have nice, consistently sized bases. I'm weird about bases.
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(...sorry, pressed 'post' by mistake)
Anyway, I had a few hours spare this afternoon so blasted through these. I'm about 80% through which is unheard of for me in a day - just drybrushing and detailing to do.
(https://bladesandblastersdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/img_9481-e1463088671801.jpg)
It's a pretty large force in Horizon Wars, 21P:
Heavy Cav CHQ,
4 Heavy Cav
3 Light Cav
3 Armed Artillery
But that gives me options for smaller games - I don't really like revisiting a paint scheme, I'm not consistent enough as a painter to make them uniform enough, so this will be a complete for.
Want to work on a Mech force next I reckon....
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Nice work! Are all the miniatures from Brigade?
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Nice work! Are all the miniatures from Brigade?
Cheers - yeah, all from the Mercenaries range:
http://www.brigademodels.co.uk/6mmSF/Mercs.html
The size of these is slightly odd, which I liked - the Sohei (my Heavy Cav) is pretty wide, whilst the Shaman is relatively diddy (hence me using it as light cav). Great minis.
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Cheers - yeah, all from the Mercenaries range:
http://www.brigademodels.co.uk/6mmSF/Mercs.html
The size of these is slightly odd, which I liked - the Sohei (my Heavy Cav) is pretty wide, whilst the Shaman is relatively diddy (hence me using it as light cav). Great minis.
Thanks for the info. While waiting for my rulebook I'm now shopping for miniatures, your thread will come handy.
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This is a pretty big force by HW standards - I'm planning on gaming around 15p mostly (5 big mechs, or 5-10 tanks or 10ish infantry plus a couple of support elements... that sort of size).
What sort of force are you planning?
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This is a pretty big force by HW standards - I'm planning on gaming around 15p mostly (5 big mechs, or 5-10 tanks or 10ish infantry plus a couple of support elements... that sort of size).
What sort of force are you planning?
Roughly the same 15p. I have some Mechwarrior clicx-mechs that I can use, but I need some infantry and tanks (although I have some historical ones - mainly Leopard 2s and Challengers - that I can use in a pinch). But I really need to see the book first. Bookdepository sent it last Friday, keeping my fingers crossed for it to arrive during next week. Right now, the only info I have is from the FB page and from the videos on Youtube.
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2 or 3 Big mechs'll give you 6/9P, so you're a good chunk of the way there with those.
I'm going to make a small mech/giant power armour force next using these (but still in 6mm, so about 15 foot tall):
(http://www.criticalmassgames.com/images/mercenaries/MERC16-600.jpg)
I think each one will count as a stand of heavy infantry instead of using the mech rules - not sure yet though.
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Roughly the same 15p. I have some Mechwarrior clicx-mechs that I can use, but I need some infantry and tanks (although I have some historical ones - mainly Leopard 2s and Challengers - that I can use in a pinch). But I really need to see the book first. Bookdepository sent it last Friday, keeping my fingers crossed for it to arrive during next week. Right now, the only info I have is from the FB page and from the videos on Youtube.
Good to hear your joining the fun, HW really feels like the kind of game the LAF veterans would like.
I am planning almost exactly the same order as that right now, Jagannath though I'm planning to also get their new polish infantry and some of the jeeps to make mobile infantry stands.
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Hi All,
Bit more of an update:
Finished and had the chance to dullcote my 21P first force, Scuse the phone pictures and my fairly crummy 'desert' board:
(https://bladesandblastersdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/img_9497-e1464344765559.jpg)
Can't see it well but I tried a bit of weathering on these - not perfect but I like the dusty look (not sure it photographs well)
(https://bladesandblastersdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/img_9498-e1464344784549.jpg)
That's my command tank CHQ with the small radar dish.
Next force is a power armour and hover tank force with 2 p1 mechs
(https://bladesandblastersdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/img_9499-e1464344802787.jpg)
Hoping to get them done this long weekend then play a game - try out my new Kallistra mountains too.
C&C always welcome.
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Those really are very nice. Always loved those miniatures from Brigade. Really must pick myself up some at some point.
How did you go about doing the bases? They're really rather nice.
MM.
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Those really are very nice. Always loved those miniatures from Brigade. Really must pick myself up some at some point.
How did you go about doing the bases? They're really rather nice.
MM.
Thanks - they're 2mm 'Flames of War' style from Warbases. I get the models first then work of some base sizes to match. I also drill a magnet hole for storage.
I base with GW agrellan Earth crackle effect in parts then smear generally with Vallejo black earth (I think the best grit size for this) and then paint, wash (with 'blotchy' washes) and drybrush. It works quite well for this basing style.
These are my fav 6mm tanks I think - the sizes are a bit odd though. The 'Normal' MBTs are pretty small (I'm using them here as light tanks) and the heavy tanks are quite big, but maybe not as massive as you might want a heavy tank. I love them though - got another batch to go with some infantry for a seperate force at some point.
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Lovely models and great bases- thanks for the tips
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A bit more WIP of my next force - trying to plow through before an imminent house move.
Need to do the engine blocks, the lights (little OSL on these) and a few more sci-fi style markings, then I'll weather them. Couple more hours I reckon. Highlights aren't as flat as they look in the pics.
(https://bladesandblastersdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/img_9629.jpg)
Couldn't get rid of the mould lines on the vents, so hoping to better hide them when I paint the vents.
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Very nice! I really must get my hands on some Onslaught minis at some point.
With regards to your Brigade Models force: don't forget that you'll need to be able to clearly distinguish between elements of the same type, so some base marking or something on each element will be needed so that you can pick out each one individually for damage management.
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Cheers Robey - yes, I've got some numerals on the back of the bases. The Onslaught stuff is so good, just the right clean detail for painting.
(By the way, it's Rory of recent email fame!)
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The Onslaught stuff is so good, just the right clean detail for painting.
I envy their 3d designers insight. The CAD stuff looks kinda dopey and deformed but on the tabletop is really works. Takes insight to design it exactly the right sort of deformed.
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I envy their 3d designers insight. The CAD stuff looks kinda dopey and deformed but on the tabletop is really works. Takes insight to design it exactly the right sort of deformed.
Absolutely - that seems to be the case for lots of CAD minis even in other scales - I saw some Crooked Dice renders that looked odd, but the final pieces are great. A skill indeed. Plus some sculptors just get 'painting' detail - Copplestone's the same, perfect detail for a brush tip.
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Nice looking stuff, the green on those skimmers looks great and I also really like the basing finish with the cracking and texture combo.... I never have the patience to do it properly.
I find CAD work difficult to get my head around. I love it and hate it at the same time. I've got loads of it though and it can be extremely effective, the spartan games planetfall figures worked well at 10mm, although their 28mm dystopian legions was a horrorshow! I'm looking forward to painting my onslaught minis but I know my eyes are going to struggle with the figure detail.
Maybe I'm just a bit old fashioned and like the idea of sculptors hunched over messy tables and the whiff of rubbing alcohol in the air!
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Lovely stuff! Bravo!
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Cheers both,
Talking of sculpting, I've been following your Arabians with fascination over on Wordpress Grumbledook, looking great so far.
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"Fame" is the word, Rory, now your name is in lights on my blog.
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R.
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Hi All,
Finally got the WIP below finished - took me long enough! As I say on the blog (where there's more individual images) not my best painting and the weathering hasn't particularly well at all, but they're finished!
(https://bladesandblastersdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/img_9771.jpg)
Learned a few more 6mm things from this batch - so onto the next one!
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Hullo folks,
Remember this ancient thread?!
I've actually been painting a fair bit of 6mm on and off, but haven't finished much.
I had a good bit of time to hobby this weekend though, so managed to finially box off this small force of not-Tau from Onslaught miniatures (via the very excellent Vanguard miniatures).
(https://bladesandblastersdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/img_1600-e1524608731750.jpg)
It's a nice little force, just the way I like it, that should be fun and different to play (inflitrators and fast vehicles can pile the pressure on real quick).
I'm especially pleased with the skimmers, they're just such nice and diddy models (those are 25x20mm bases for reference).
(https://bladesandblastersdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/img_1602-e1524608740849.jpg)
I've got some really nice power armour coming soon from Shapeways, so I should be dropping back into this thread soon.
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Wow, great work! Would love to play with epic-sized stuff (but one scale is enough for me)!
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Wow, great work! Would love to play with epic-sized stuff (but one scale is enough for me)!
That's what I always say, then change my mind again! I do different things in the two scales now - 15s for adventures, pulpy characters and RPG type gaming, 6mm for 'military' stuff. I like the abstraction of rules that work for multibased squads too, it's a different thing.
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What table size do you find works for HW? I have the rulebook and it seems like it needs to be at least 3'x3'.
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Yeah 3x3 is probably minimum really. I solo game a bit and ten to pack as much terrain in as I can, so I have played it fairly successfully on my little 3x2, but that might not be to everyone's taste. It's a really good game once it clicks, well worth playing.
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Sounds good. It's the idea of a tank moving from one side of the board to the other in one turn that makes me think hard on the matter. My issue is lack of room to keep anything bigger than a 3' board.
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Well i theory the fastest units could move 15 inches in a turn, but that's where terrain comes in.
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That's what I always say, then change my mind again! I do different things in the two scales now - 15s for adventures, pulpy characters and RPG type gaming, 6mm for 'military' stuff. I like the abstraction of rules that work for multibased squads too, it's a different thing.
Well i theory the fastest units could move 15 inches in a turn, but that's where terrain comes in.
That's my problem, though: terrain
I love making it and having it. Having a few squads 6mm would be manageable, it's the terrain that takes too much time...
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Lovely looking units, and those skimmers are definitely a highlight.
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Evening all,
Boxed off another force here - mostly Brigade Models' Hammer' Slammers range. These were a bit of an experiment in Army Painter coloured primer, which on the whole was pretty successful.
I 'm particularly pleased with the big artillery units - they've got a real sci-fi feel to them. Love'em.
(https://bladesandblastersdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/img_1830-e1534100863496.jpg)
(https://bladesandblastersdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/img_1828-e1534100852328.jpg)
(https://bladesandblastersdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/img_1832-e1534100873381.jpg)
(https://bladesandblastersdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/img_1831-e1534100895308.jpg)
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Great to see some more progress in this topic!
I too have been finding that nice bright colours make 6mm pop on the table.
I really like the basing on these as well, what is your method?
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Very blue indeed! Nicely done. My Brigade models recently arrived and look pretty good. Just need some bases now.
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Thanks both - I'm very pleased with them.
I really like the basing on these as well, what is your method?
Same basing as I use for my 15mm and my 28mm too.
Vallejo 'desert sand' texture paste.
Then I paint the whole surface with Vallejo Model Air Sand (Ivory). I like the model air range for this because it runs nicely, which is handy for painting bases.
Then I use my homemade 'glaze' - it's about 10:1 Vallejo Poyurethane gloss with vallejo german camo beige. It's quite thin and works really nicely to shade the sand (it's a little more contrast then it looks in these images) and also to sort of 'flatten' the texture once it's matted.
Then I use silfor moss pads and 0.5mm flock (I think the colour is bizarrely called 'spring') before I spray with Testor's - it helps them stick.
It's really easy, and I hate drybrushing - so much so that I've forgotten how to do other types of basing!
It's washed out in these pics a bit, but if you take a look at this image you'll see the effect well - everything sandy coloured (including background rocks) was achieved in this way: https://bladesandblastersdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/img_0246-1-e1493989235951.jpg
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Lovely! That blue really pops! :-*
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Nice work - you've gone and made me buy Horizon Wars, now. :D
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Great blue. After the AP spray are you doing a selective wash to shade, and then an edge highlight and a fine point highlight?
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Thanks Dave,
I do:
Spray,
heavy wash (neat) with the blue army painter ink (unlike the paints, I really like like the inks)
drybrush original
drybrush highligh
Take original blue and repaint some nice, flat panels - neatens it up a little compared to a pure drybrush paintjob
Paint some light, spot highlights on corners, along some edges etc (mostly easily seen in 3rd and 4th photos).
Then just details etc.
Works pretty well for me - I'll definitely be using coloured primers (providing I can get a matching brush on) for vehicles in future. I won't do it on infantry again - they look a bit crap.
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Hiya folks,
I’ve been working on this force for a little while, lots of new things (pigment basing – didn’t work, the matte spray washed it away!), micron pens (for the chipping on the Mechafront mech) and Shapeways minis (the very excellent power armour, from the very excellent Hardware Studios).
(https://bladesandblastersdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/img_2109.jpg?w=1024)
Other than the fact I wasted my time with the pigment, I’m pretty pleased with these. The very few tiny patches of pigment that are left on the bases don’t look good now, so I’ll go back in and cover those with more moss pads.
(https://bladesandblastersdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/img_2111.jpg?w=1024)
The power armour have small glowing eyes, which hasn’t really photographed well, but I’m really pleased with it in the flesh – just wish I wasn’t having endless issues with my Dullcote. I’m thinking of moving on to Tamiya TS-80 spray, which I know scale modellers use a lot - anyone have any experience with it?
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Great project! They're amazing - the maroonish chaps in particular!
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Love that. I've been wanting to get my own mech fix lately and have been leaning towards battletech for nostalgia purposes.
Those little suits are great. Kind of like the Elementals.
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Thanks both - I've not taken particularly good pics here but I'm really pleased with the latest group too.
Love that. I've been wanting to get my own mech fix lately and have been leaning towards battletech for nostalgia purposes.
Those little suits are great. Kind of like the Elementals.
I'd really recommend checking out Mecha Front (that's who made the mech). They're like grown-up Battletech walkers, I love them.
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Just found this thread, some great minis and painting, especially the blue on the slammers vehicles.
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Thanks both - I've not taken particularly good pics here but I'm really pleased with the latest group too.
I'd really recommend checking out Mecha Front (that's who made the mech). They're like grown-up Battletech walkers, I love them.
I will!
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Just found this thread, some great minis and painting, especially the blue on the slammers vehicles.
Thanks matey - that really is a nice blue, almost wish I hadn’t used it so I could use it all over again!
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Great Thread!
I love the size of Horizon War.... so inexpensive.
You have really made your little guys pop!
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Great Thread!
I love the size of Horizon War.... so inexpensive.
You have really made your little guys pop!
Me too - I always like a 6mm game that has stands of infantry but looks like a 2000 point 40k game (so three squads or so, a couple of vehicles and something interesting - that sort of scale). Have you checked out Squad Hammer? - I won’t link as I’m on my phone but search for it on wargames vault. It’s a brilliant game; less crunchy, very moddable and works well for a similar ‘size’ of conflict. It’s mostly replaced Horizon Wars for me now.
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Loving the look of these models Jag!
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Loving the look of these models Jag!
Thanks matey - should have another group to add soon.
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Evening folks,
Not painted much over the past fortnight, mostly I've been tinkering with Tinkercad.
Just pressed 'order' on the first design I was really happy with: a funny, lumpy, a-symmetrical hover APC:
(https://bladesandblastersdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/6mm-hover-tanks.jpg)
(https://bladesandblastersdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/6mm-hover-tanks-2.jpg)
If I'm happy with them I'll order some more of the Hardware studios power armour I've painted above, because I think they'll match nicely.
Right - best pick up paintbrush this weekend....
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Very cool. I just bought horizon wars but haven't read all the book yet.
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Cheers! I’m having loads of fun with it.
Horizon Wars is great (you’ll need the FAQ - there was a layout mistake with the book and the cover rules were missed) but I’ve moved over mostly to Squad Hammer now, it really suits the type of games and forces I’m into. Both are a lovely ‘scale’ for 6mm battles - 5 or so squads, a tank or two and a support vehicle, easy peasy!
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Looks good Jag,
I always wanted to try my hand at 3d , might give Tinkercad a try.
As to Squad Hammer, thanks to you I've just found out that they have a core rules set for only $4, very very tempting......🤔
https://www.wargamevault.com/product/263940/Squad-Hammer-Core (https://www.wargamevault.com/product/263940/Squad-Hammer-Core)
My Gw epic hordes need to see some light after years in boxes. 😉
Thanks for posting.
Keep it up
Z
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As to Squad Hammer, thanks to you I've just found out that they have a core rules set for only $4, very very tempting......🤔
”If I had a hammer...”
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'Ullo all,
I've got a wee update for my 6mm thread!
I've been having lots of fun designing and printing things recently for the shop, but I've also been tinkering with 6mm bits and realised that simple 6mm infantry are well within my ability.
First batch are some baldy fellas - I've got an army on the go at the moment with these, some small mechs and some cobra H.I.S.S tanks, so these guys are intended to have an 80s action toy vibe.
(https://bladesandblastersdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2019/06/img_2777-e1559549861925.jpg)
I've been looking at older 6mm ranges like GZGs for posing and idea (because I'm not up to the standard of modern 3D designed ranges like vanguards). A simple way (as above) to vary the pose is to make it clear the head is facing in different directions, which I think worked pretty well when based as a group.
More importantly, for this post, are the next chaps - little 6mmm vac-suits!
(https://bladesandblastersdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2019/06/2af88190-3ee0-4e44-a34d-9d399cc9fc97-e1559549529724.jpg)
(https://bladesandblastersdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2019/06/026f31a1-6ed2-45ca-9dd3-4895e7d7fc7d-e1559549538737.jpg)
When GZG released all their Moongrunt stuff I was really inspired - it's a great opportunity to do some nice, bold colours *and* it's a pretty pure 'wargaming' project (i.e. I wouldn't get bogged down in RPG civilians like I do in all my other projects!), but it always seemed better suited to 6mm to me.
So here we have the start of 6mm Moon Wars - a wee test base. The actual basing is wrong - I need a new recipe because my 'glazing' basing style (like I do for desert) doesn't work.
I like all the colour schemes here - I think all white is pretty classic and the green looks good, but I think the first force will have the red and white. If I can find an easier yellow recipe I'll try all yellow too. I do like the look of the multi-scheme on one base though - may be an idea for a mercenary force in the future.
Next I need to design some vehicles - in my version of this setting heavy weapons are only vehicle mounted (hence the squad only having a squad level weapon) then buildings and scenario pieces.
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Hello my friend,
You 3D'd these & printed them yourself ?
You should make combat versions of your little robot also.
I'm impressed.
Lovely work.
Keep it up
Z
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Thanks! I did indeed - I printed some pretty basic infantry a few weeks ago and realised that they still looked really nice painted up, so I was inspired to give it a go. Vac suits are nice and easy too because there’s nothing organic.
Printed on the photon at 0.03 - nice and tough too.
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Wonderful little astronauts!
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Thanks my mate!
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Looking great. I actually really like the base size you're using; avoids the clumping often seen on round or square bases, without being the long super-thin epic bases that leave no room for scenics.
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Thanks! I was using 40x30, which look great but recently I’ve started using 40x15 (I think epic were 40x12) - which gives a little room for ‘movement’ on the base, but still keeps it compact.
I do pick smaller or ‘true scale’ 6mm infantry when I can (like Vanguard’s stuff) which helps the base seem more spacious. Same for my designs.
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Very cool, love the vac suits! Perfect for a 6mm Moonraker space battle or even the red suited aliens from UFO, perfect retro vibe.
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Very cool, love the vac suits! Perfect for a 6mm Moonraker space battle or even the red suited aliens from UFO, perfect retro vibe.
Thanks chief. I’ve iterated on them a bit and now have more poses, some heavy weapons teams and they all have a cooler helmet (with ‘more’ visor - which looks better). Got a whole pile of them primed, based and ready for base coating!
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Those astronauts look superb!
Would love to see some prone troops firing their weapons, kneeling and firing, and/or walking and running figures.
Some mortar teams firing would be great too.
Any chance of you making these available for sale?
40mm x 20mm might be nice too, for little diorama effects.
I like the look of your bases as is.
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Thanks dude.
*Maybe* - I’ve iterated on them a bit - better helmets - and I’ve added some kneeling poses, some missile launcher teams and some gun teams. I have made the poses a little more dynamic, but I want them to stay robust, so they’re not that dynamic. Once I get them all painted up I’ll see what makes sense as a ‘pack’ then work out a price. Ideally I’d be able to fit two packs to a print bed for it to make sense (or maybe I should look into getting them cast...).
I didn’t think of prone troopers - I’ll have a play with that later.
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Here’s the v2 command stand in their base coat - you can see one of the kneeling poses second from right. I think the new helmet visors are better looking.
(https://bladesandblastersdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2019/06/d96ee78f-167b-4da5-88c6-7d53c37771ee-e1559755803872.jpg)
After the test prints I decided to print the whole army - 5 infantry squads, 2 x missile teams, 3 heavy gun teams and this command squad.
Going with the white and red scheme (I’ve mistakenly painted the helmets red here, now corrected).
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Niceeeee..... how would they look like in 15/18mm, Jagg.
Z
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Haha not pretty!
I reckon I could take a crack at some slightly pulpy 15mm vaccsuits though - I haven't got the hang of organic sculpting (yet!) but vaccsuits are a good way of avoiding that.
Not yet though - must focus on this project!
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You do seem to be making leaps and bounds though, you should see my tries at human shapes in 6mm. o_o
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You do seem to be making leaps and bounds though, you should see my tries at human shapes in 6mm. o_o
Thanks!
Some of the first things I started working on when I was learning 3D stuff was 15mm sculpting dollies - they weren’t a success, but it was useful for getting the hang of placing body parts on the right place! I would like to progress to zbrush or similar at some point.
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Those look great.
I wouldn't have a problem with two squads per print, or even a whole platoon.
I like the new sculpts (helmets), but actually prefer the early variant over the new ones. Perhaps you could sell both, since we'll need someone to fight in space.
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Thanks!
I’ve had quite a lot of interest in these so just trying to work out how I could make available. If I was going to sell prints directly I’d probably sell whatever I could fit on half a print bed (so I can print two sets at once), which is about 40 chaps I think. Need to set up a file later to test.
I’ll definitely have an opposing force with different helmets - my plan is:
Opposition force
Some civilian/science teams - good for objective markers etc.
Some vehicles
Some heavy/power armoured infantry (a bit Ma.K -ish)
Then buildings.
There’s a lot to do!