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Miniatures Adventure => The Conflicts that came in from the Cold => Topic started by: tomcat51 on May 16, 2016, 10:16:43 AM
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Warlord have released their Special Operations Team under the Project Z banner.
http://store.warlordgames.com/collections/project-z/products/project-z-special-operations-team (http://store.warlordgames.com/collections/project-z/products/project-z-special-operations-team)
I was quite lookin forward to these to use for my Modern British Army, amongst other things, but after seeing the price I'm a bit dissapointed. £15 for 8 minis? That's £1.87 per mini, I may as well get the Empress Minis for that for much greater accuracy and quality. When I got the Zombie survivors from Wargames Factory previously it was £20 for 20 minis, same with the Frostgrave Soldiers. You get even more for £20 with the Perry Plastics and from Gripping Beast. Its worse value for money than Warlords other plastic box sets for Bolt Action etc. The kit looks great in itself, and would be useful for a number of games that I play, and being plastic they are easier to convert (for my skill level anyway)but at that price I don't feel its worth it. If Warlord sell just the sprues so I don't have to pay for all the additional Project Z game stuff they are selling with it I would be a happy man, but so far I'm not impressed with what they have done with the Wargames Factory Minis so far.
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Useful for bits like all the ex WF stuff but the figures strike me as a bit meh and fifteen quid for 8 plastic minis is fucking absurd.
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If you'd been following the 'Figure Prices (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=90035.0)' thread on the Discussion Board, then you'd realise that 'Modern/Near-Future/Sci-Fi' figures for non-historic skirmish games have to be more expensive... it's like a law or something.
;)
Don't forget to factor in the £5 postage too... don't worry if you do though as Warlord won't. ::)
Thinking positive though, as they don't look like anything in particular, you can use them for nothing much. :)
Joking apart, if you're lucky enough to be sitting on some old WF figures, then the heads and stuff in this pack do give you a bit more variety and there seems to be more weapons and heads than you'd need.
However the point remains that it is £1.87 (£2.50 each with postage on a single pack) per figure. :-I
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So, they are the same price as Empress nice metal miniatures! Doesn't that defeat the object of plastic?
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Doesn't that defeat the object of plastic?
Depends what you consider the object to be. I imagine opinions vary depending on which side of the checkout you're on. ;)
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So, factoring in postage they are more expensive than Empress. That's not to say that Empress are too expensive, they are about the current going rate for metal minis, but that Warlord are charging more for much less quality. The Wargames Factory sculpts have never been great, but they were great value. WL seem to be missing the point here. I was hoping to bring my Brits up to full Platoon strength without the repetition of minis that would be required if I went fully with Empress. I also had plans for a well equipped mercenary force. It seems I will be going elsewhere.
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Overpriced & the sculpts look...err...crap.
But thats just my opinion.
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So, they are the same price as Empress nice metal miniatures! Doesn't that defeat the object of plastic?
Full defeated. Roundhouse kick to the head finish him defeated.
Oh Warlord, how much like GW do you wish to be?
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In part defence of the price...it also includes cards for use in the Project Z game so isn't ONLY a couple of sprues of figures. Now, if you're not interested in the game then that IS incidental, if you DO play the game then it may be a worthwhile expansion.
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In part defence of the price...it also includes cards for use in the Project Z game so isn't ONLY a couple of sprues of figures. Now, if you're not interested in the game then that IS incidental, if you DO play the game then it may be a worthwhile expansion.
Comes with more than the cards, also has a rule booklet:
Spec.Ops Game play rules booklet
20 Spec Ops specific Project Z play cards
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0309/8965/products/project-z-specops_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1463066869)
http://us-store.warlordgames.com/products/project-z-special-operations-team
So $3 a figure plus you get 20 cards and rules for the figures. And that is full retail, I've seen them for $15.40 a box online. That is less than $2 per figure plus the printed stuff.
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In part defence of the price...it also includes cards for use in the Project Z game so isn't ONLY a couple of sprues of figures. Now, if you're not interested in the game then that IS incidental, if you DO play the game then it may be a worthwhile expansion.
My comment in my original post was that I hope they will sell the sprues without all the guff. They would be useful models if you didn't have to pay the premium for game components you don't need.
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The supply of cards and whatnot as added value doesn't mean much... if you bought two boxes, you just get two sets of whatever when you only need one, so even if you played the game you lose out. A fair few companies actually sell such things separately... or actually provide them free(-ish) with the figures, not instead of.
It would be like buying a box of historical plastics from them and finding you only had half the figures there used to be, but you got a codex army book to replace them. One platoon later you've spent £52 to get what used to cost half that and you've two identical books.
As for likening them to GW; the people that created Warlord are all mostly GW OGs; so not so much 'like GW' as GW Mk. II.
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Let's stay correct. A third is left.
No idea what OG means. Not original gangsta I guess... lol
Seriously, help me out pls.
Sad story. I hate this collectible bullsh*t and I hope they are available when they make those sprue sales
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I had an exchange of e-mail with warlord back in march about them. They agreed that for people that are not playing Project Z they are a bit overpriced. They told me that it is the added (and for me useless) stuff in the box that increases the price. The good news is that they told me there is a real chance that they will be sold off as individual sprues in the future, especially if there is a sufficient "request". Now I bought one box at Salute and they are not bad. They have a lot of useful bits, plus they have the added bonus to be customizable. They can portray a lot of hybrid forces (some former Warpac now NATO) or even special forces. With minimum effort they can be used as different forces. I am undecided between using them as PLA SOF with M4 (yes they have...) or JGSDF... (one of the rifle can be used an an Howa 89... GATE I am coming...)
Complaining does not solve anything. As much I do not like it they have been released to fit in the
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No idea what OG means. Not original gangsta I guess... lol
Yep, 'original gangster' was intended due to the racketeering involved... but 'old guys' would work too. :D
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I had an exchange of e-mail with warlord back in march about them. They agreed that for people that are not playing Project Z they are a bit overpriced. They told me that it is the added (and for me useless) stuff in the box that increases the price. The good news is that they told me there is a real chance that they will be sold off as individual sprues in the future, especially if there is a sufficient "request". Now I bought one box at Salute and they are not bad. They have a lot of useful bits, plus they have the added bonus to be customizable. They can portray a lot of hybrid forces (some former Warpac now NATO) or even special forces. With minimum effort they can be used as different forces. I am undecided between using them as PLA SOF with M4 (yes they have...) or JGSDF... (one of the rifle can be used an an Howa 89... GATE I am coming...)
Complaining does not solve anything. As much I do not like it they have been released to fit in the
You're right, complaining doesn't solve anything. I'll email Warlord, see if I can get them to sell the sprues individually. Would they work as Japanese soldiers then? I was thinking of using Empress heads and using them as Brits. I have a few spare heads still.
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Yep, 'original gangster' was intended due to the racketeering involved... but 'old guys' would work too. :D
And I read it as 'old guard' lol
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I am a big Fan of Warlords Black Powder, but these sculps are very poor,,,,,,,,,,,,
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(Sigh)... I really don't understand the way Warlord do things, they produce and sell some really good stuff, but I can't help thinking that alot of their products could be brilliant, or at least really good, but it seems that with alot of their stuff, they've just thought,'that will do', now show me the money!
They make strange pricing decisions too.
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I didn't intend this thread to turn into a Warlord bashing session, I quite like the company and what they do. I have two Bolt Action armies that both came in at under £70 and I think BA is a great game. I just don't like the fact they are only selling what could be a useful bit of kit in a manner that has no value for most people. I need multiple soldiers, I don't need even one set of cards let alone multiple sets.
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No worries, I've never needed an excuse myself, so don't beat yourself up about it. ;)
In general terms I've always been quite happy with the service provided and what I've bought. Now and then however they do seem to make, what seems to me to be, a complete bollocks of things (as we say in Spain). This is one of them.
If I ruled the World, I would have probably marketed them as a game add-on with a couple of sprues of 'free' figures. Then we wouldn't be having this conversation (somebody who plays 'Z' would more than likely). That being said I would be really surprised if somewhat down the line, that they don't offer them for sale as single sprues.
I certainly can't really argue with the release as being intended for 'their project' and thus incorporating bumf for 'their game' in with the price. I can moan a bit about it though.
:)
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I'm going to sound like such a warlord fanboy but what the heck..
I have 4 bolt action armies all by warlord and totaling up around 13.000 points in total. I haven't got a clue how much it cost me but it was cheap compared to other game systems with these number of models. (the fourth army was given to me by Warlord but that doesn't make me biased haha)
I can see that Warlord isn't flawless. sure they have some strange discicions but overal they are a great company.
They have great support for their products and shipments. anything wrong ? just give them a call and it get's sorted!
they try new stuff and release an amazing amount of new models every month.
pricing is very reasonable
they sell single sprues
They have black Friday sales
etc etc etc.
So what about this Special forces set. I think their price is spot on. Yeah you get some extra stuff like cards and all that but that's no use to us.... but hey this set wasn't made for us.. it was made for people who want to play this zombie game.
When I see this single sprue kit I see a lot of possibities. 8 men that can be kitted out in a wide range of weapons and war gear. there are 17 guns with arms attached but also 15 "loose"weapens that you can use for a lot of things. you get 14 different heads.
I love the metal models but plastic models are so much easier to convert.
Warlord games will most probably be selling this sprue seperately at a slightly reduced price just like with any other plastic kit they sell.
If you can wait till blak Friday you might be able to get a few on the cheap but no garantees are given on that.
/Commercial over.Warlord, you can send my free Special forces set to the usual adress.. ;)
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Actually they were made for people like us. Sorry I couldn't resist. :D
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It is actually okay to like things... I know it's not fashionable, but it is okay. ;)
'Value' is also a personal thing... if you like them, want them and don't mind paying the price then that is fine... it's not as if there are not numerous far more expensive plastic figures out there.
They're not for me and thinking reflectively, that should have been where my argument should have started and finished. :)
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The pity is that they didn't come out before Wargames Factory went tits up. WF prices were typically 2/3 the price of Warlord. I would have bought some for the spares box.
Hopefully these will be a little bit more multi pose than the older WF products. The main problem with WF figures is that only certain arms go with certain torsos, which rather undermines their utility.
There is a point about complaining. It's one of the ways marketing and commerce function. 'Shit, people aren't buying our product and are moaning on various forums, maybe we should......' Then again I don't know how responsive Voldemort Games are to feedback.
By the same token if people like 'em and are prepared to pay the price, more power to them.
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They look cool. But I am going to stick with my empress and Spectre figs for now.
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price wise keep in mind that empress does not have to price to take distributers into account, while to shift so many units warlord do, distributers take around 70% cut then sell to retail giving retail around 35% cut.
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I just received my box the other day and I'm stunned with the quality of the kit. Clean, crisp and great detail, hardly any moldlines and so many possibilities to use this kit.
What I really like is that I can use all the spare plastic guns and stuff to replace the ones on my Spectre Miniatures. Spectre make great models but it almost seems as they weren't meant to play with. The guns are so thin they bent by just looking at them. That problem will now be solved.
win-win!
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price wise keep in mind that empress does not have to price to take distributers into account, while to shift so many units warlord do, distributers take around 70% cut then sell to retail giving retail around 35% cut.
We do not wish to get involved in this or other company bashing posts however we do feel that we have to respond to this inaccurate post which mentions Empress.
The information stated above is incorrect. Empress does have distributors around the world and within the UK. Infact Warlord is one of them. Of course we have to take into account such issues when considering retail prices. We also have to take into account other issues such as tax etc.
Secondly I would be stunned if Warlord or any other business gives 70% discount. This discount would be akin to giving product away when the maths are done. Retail - minus 70% Discount - minus tax - minus small annoying costs too numerous to mention = equals probable bankruptcy.
Cheers,
Paul