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Title: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on May 20, 2016, 04:25:46 AM
They look awkward assembled on the Facebook page but the parts will expand our kitbashing variations!

http://fireforge-games.com/fireforge-games-miniatures/coming-soon/russian-infantry-coming-soon (http://fireforge-games.com/fireforge-games-miniatures/coming-soon/russian-infantry-coming-soon)
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Engel on May 20, 2016, 05:52:14 AM
I also saw it first on their Facebook page yesterday, these could be lots of fun.  :-*

"Aimed released date second half of june."


(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13198521_1204493849569937_9102497926136458015_o.jpg)

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13268127_1204444729574849_6750374011916765951_o.jpg)

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13254914_1204414832911172_7749654451264981889_o.jpg)

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13267990_1204381609581161_1746873423400603365_o.jpg)

Pictures from
https://www.facebook.com/Fireforge-Games-271339052885426/?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/Fireforge-Games-271339052885426/?fref=ts)
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Ogrob on May 20, 2016, 05:56:13 AM
Wow, they look really bad. Maybe the bodies could be salvaged for kitbashing though.
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: JollyBob on May 20, 2016, 09:16:48 AM
They look like old 1/72 Revell figures from the seventies...  :? May be some clearer pics would help.

That said, I agree about the bits potential - how many of these will be bought just for that lovely not-Lannister shield..?  lol
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Jockjay on May 20, 2016, 09:17:49 AM
Can't say i'm overly impressed. Looking at that last archer on the right. Those 'judo chop' right hands are naff ( in comparison to the latest perry archers and Frostgrave's archer hands), can barely see any fingers, or his coif. The thumbs on the spear arms also put me off. The detail overall makes these look like someone has green stuff cast the originals. I hope these are renders or 'WIP' or something.

Perhaps a decent paint job will change my mind, but currently I think the detail is very shallow and will lose some edge if spray painted/painted too heavily.

(Always end on a high note) However, more plastic bits, from a different area of the age is always welcome for kitbash!!
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Ray Earle on May 20, 2016, 09:25:42 AM
I think this only a test shot so if expect the detail on the finished Sprue to be better defined. I like them though, but I am going to mix and match them with my Frostgrave stuff.  ;)
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Dr. Zombie on May 20, 2016, 09:32:19 AM
I only wish for someone to start making some decent full sleved chainmail arms. And chainmail that goes past the knees.
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Johnp4000 on May 20, 2016, 10:06:09 AM
I think the picture has a poor definition, the sprue shot on TMP looks more detailed.I thought Fireforge had ditched the plastics in flavour of resin for this range?
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: nevermore on May 20, 2016, 10:32:17 AM
I think they don't look to bad, quality of the pictures i think don't really do them justice, but i can see these being pretty colourful once done, i think plastic has come along way in the last couple of years, i painted up some Perry WOR 28mm plastics, everybody seems to never criticize these, yet i think the detail is poor to pick out those small things like belt buckles ect.

I don't know if its a Perry thing and nobody speaks up but i think these above look far better even if it is a poor photo shoot.
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Mr.J on May 20, 2016, 01:53:31 PM
i painted up some Perry WOR 28mm plastics, everybody seems to never criticize these, yet i think the detail is poor to pick out those small things like belt buckles ect.

I have to admit I have the first WOTR kit they produced and gave up as I couldn't get into it and found them difficult to paint. But I haven't bought any plastic since so I have nothing to compare to. Clearly amazing things can be done with them though.

Back to the thread I think these minis certainly have potential, I don't think the photo does them justice. The hands releasing arrow look a bit ropey but other than that more fodder for the plastics pile. I certainly can't wait to see what people on here do with them.

Pose-wise they look nicer than the original Fireforge which I always see as a bit oddly proportioned/overly dynamic but I suppose that comes down to personal taste.
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Gibby on May 20, 2016, 02:01:03 PM
Some oddness to them but I'll wait to see them nicely painted; I bet they'll look pretty decent. One thing I've noticed is that multi-part bits look a bit weirder on any figure in chainmail as the joins are more obvious.
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: axabrax on May 20, 2016, 06:12:47 PM
I think the heads look really cool. The spear poses are a bit redundant and awkward but the others look good to me.

You guys are a tough crowd! Personally I appreciate comments that talk about the aspects of the figures that are good or bad. Sweeping, dismissive comments like "those are bad" not so useful and not so fair in my opinion.
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Captain Blood on May 20, 2016, 06:27:48 PM
Hmmmm. Not as good as i was hoping for. The resin figures are great. There are certainly some useful parts here. The archery poses are bad. That is not the pose of men firing bows. But I'll reserve judgement until the final product appears. Generally FF has been getting better, so it would certainly be a pity if these are a step back. The greens looked a lot better than this. So fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Digitarii on May 20, 2016, 07:38:30 PM
I have a fairly large batch of these on the way from the FF ForgeStarter. Even assuming for the picture quality, I have to say that I don't like the archers the way they are posed. I'm hoping that once I get my order in the mail, I'll get some better poses from the parts. I received the command group resins and they look good.
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Argonor on May 20, 2016, 08:57:32 PM
I only wish for someone to start making some decent full sleved chainmail arms. And chainmail that goes past the knees.

Hear, hear!
Proper hauberks are really scarce in the plastic ranges!

I think the shown minis could probably be assembled much better, and improved by slight modifications. And almost every short-sleeved mail arms out there can be used for kitbashing.

But those spear-arms... NOBODY holds a spear like that - the upper arm should be almost vertical, not pointing sideways away from the body like that. And if you raise the spear, the upper arm would be extended forward, and still not sit in that angle. It is just a very unnatural pose.
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Commander Carnage on May 20, 2016, 09:00:37 PM
I see a lot of great possibilities in those.
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Hupp n at em on May 20, 2016, 10:01:31 PM
I like them for kitbashing purposes, but I hope what others are saying about picture quality being poor is true.  :?
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Gary Peach on May 20, 2016, 10:25:01 PM
Have to say Im noticing the increase in negative comments based on photos on the internet as opposed to those from people that have actually taken the plunge and bought things.  Pictures can tell lies, either because they are not the best picture or been touched up...  They look sound to me, for pictures in not the best light, in front of a keyboard, with other distractions around them.
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Hupp n at em on May 21, 2016, 12:15:13 AM
Have to say Im noticing the increase in negative comments based on photos on the internet as opposed to those from people that have actually taken the plunge and bought things.  Pictures can tell lies, either because they are not the best picture or been touched up...  They look sound to me, for pictures in not the best light, in front of a keyboard, with other distractions around them.

I agree with you, but I do think the majority are making mention of that fact.
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Captain Blood on May 21, 2016, 09:28:02 AM
Have to say Im noticing the increase in negative comments based on photos on the internet as opposed to those from people that have actually taken the plunge and bought things.  Pictures can tell lies, either because they are not the best picture or been touched up...  They look sound to me, for pictures in not the best light, in front of a keyboard, with other distractions around them.

I'm afraid I feel that if manufacturers choose to put up sub-standard images of their products, then they only have themselves to blame if those images attract negative comments. Is the product poor, or is it just the photo? As a customer or potential customer, I shouldn't have to try to work that out, should I?
It reminds me of the ads you used to see in wargaming magazines (and probably still can), showing a beautifully painted rank of some new Napoleonic range or other - and half the figures have got wonky muskets and bent bayonets.
I mean, if you go to all the trouble of making and selling a product and then paying to advertise it, why on earth would you not take the trouble to show that product in the best possible light?
So I'm sorry to be harsh, but personally I don't think we should have to make allowances because it might be a bad photo, in bad light, and so on. It's incumbent on people making  things and trying to sell them to us, to make sure they present their products properly.

Having looked at the sprue shots, the components do look better than these figure builds. And I'm sure if a little more time and care had been taken with both the assembly of the models and the quality of the photography and presentation, they would have appeared in a more positive light. But it's the responsibility of the manufacturer to pay attention to how they present their products. As a customer, I can only give an honest comment on what a manufacturer chooses to put in front of me. I shouldn't have to make allowances.
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Hupp n at em on May 21, 2016, 02:47:14 PM
Having looked at the sprue shots, the components do look better than these figure builds. And I'm sure if a little more time and care had been taken with both the assembly of the models and the quality of the photography and presentation, they would have appeared in a more positive light.

I recommend everyone to look at those as well, they look very similar to the existing Fireforge plastics in those shots.
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: dbsubashi on May 21, 2016, 04:21:06 PM
That said, I agree about the bits potential - how many of these will be bought just for that lovely not-Lannister shield..?  lol

I was thinking the same thing!
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: 3 fingers on May 21, 2016, 05:53:23 PM
I can't seem to link pic directly ,so here's their fb page with painted miniatures
https://www.facebook.com/Fireforge-Games-271339052885426/?fref=nf
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Captain Blood on May 21, 2016, 06:53:50 PM
The painted example looks much nicer already  :)
Feel sure I'll get a box to see for myself.
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: dbsubashi on May 22, 2016, 08:21:00 PM
I know I will pick some up. They will very nice Northerners, not the Starks/Boltons, but those even farther north. I wish they had been out when I did my Greyjoys!
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: LordOdo on May 22, 2016, 10:20:15 PM
I know I will pick some up. They will very nice Northerners, not the Starks/Boltons, but those even farther north. I wish they had been out when I did my Greyjoys!

Funny you say that, I've already planned to use them as Targaryans  :D
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: dbsubashi on May 23, 2016, 11:51:31 PM
Yes, there is a wonderful "not Western European" thing about them crying out for some GoT/fantasy kitbashing.
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: tomrommel1 on May 24, 2016, 09:43:43 AM
will definitely get some ! Heads might be useful for Dorne if used on some more arabic looking bodies like the ones from Gripping beast e.g.
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Engel on May 25, 2016, 03:15:25 PM
Damnit... These are growing on me. I need to start putting in a higher gear on my current project to at least try finish that one of… (yeah we all know that wont happen, finished projects are not in our vocabulary…)

Anyone know any more details about those mounted Druzhinas they mentioned earlier?
Im starting to think about what to include in my shopping bag…

Im thinking about starting a Lions Rampant sized force with Spears and Archers with added cavalry support.


EDIT: Never mind I will answer my own question...
Quote
"...Druzhina will be release for second week of june..."
Im not sure that date is still correct but it sound that it will be soon anyhow..






Here are the original thread for those wondering: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=83538.0
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on May 25, 2016, 05:09:55 PM
I wish they had been out when I did my Greyjoys!

+1  But we start where we start.
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: dbsubashi on May 25, 2016, 08:44:01 PM
Well, if they come out on time, they might make my second wave. I am working on some House Drumm right now, and looking to do some kitbashing with GW Dark Elf Corsairs for some Iron Fleet warriors.
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Elbows on May 25, 2016, 08:49:24 PM
I'll pick up at least one box for my bitz box (fantasy stuff).
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Vermis on May 25, 2016, 09:13:09 PM
will definitely get some ! Heads might be useful for Dorne if used on some more arabic looking bodies like the ones from Gripping beast e.g.

Good idea. What about Middle-Earth? Men of Dale? Or further?
Title: Re: Fireforge Plastic Medieval Russians
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on May 26, 2016, 10:16:59 PM
will definitely get some ! Heads might be useful for Dorne if used on some more arabic looking bodies like the ones from Gripping beast e.g.

I'm thinking similar thoughts.