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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: Rob_bresnen on June 09, 2016, 11:57:49 PM
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I have a crazy idea that I might try some warhammer in 15mm. After a rummage through my loft I have found 6th edition WH rules and a pile of WH Army books. I have no desire to buy a whole load of expensive GW figures to satisfy this crazy idea so I thought I might try to build armies up using 15mm figures and just alter the ranges and moment rates accordingly.
I have seen the Daemonworld (RPE) orcs and think these have the best GW look, but was wondering if anyone has ideas for Empire troops/knights on Griffins/ war machines etc in 15mm scale.
Has anyone tried this before? (I am sure someone must have)
This is the kind of look I am after for my Empire troops...
(http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq155/Rob_bresnen/State_Trooper.png) (http://s443.photobucket.com/user/Rob_bresnen/media/State_Trooper.png.html)
(http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq155/Rob_bresnen/karl_kopinski_empire_knights.jpg) (http://s443.photobucket.com/user/Rob_bresnen/media/karl_kopinski_empire_knights.jpg.html)
(http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq155/Rob_bresnen/empire2.jpg) (http://s443.photobucket.com/user/Rob_bresnen/media/empire2.jpg.html)
any advice would be welcome.
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Try historical Landsknechts for the infantry:
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=15mm+landsknecht&safe=off&client=firefox-b&biw=1478&bih=1106&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwijg-yi9ZzNAhWkIqYKHZsDCxEQsAQIKA#imgrc=_ (https://www.google.com.au/search?q=15mm+landsknecht&safe=off&client=firefox-b&biw=1478&bih=1106&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwijg-yi9ZzNAhWkIqYKHZsDCxEQsAQIKA#imgrc=_)
and 15-16th century knights for the cav:
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=15mm+landsknecht&safe=off&client=firefox-b&biw=1478&bih=1106&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwijg-yi9ZzNAhWkIqYKHZsDCxEQsAQIKA#safe=off&tbm=isch&q=15mm+16th+century+knights&imgrc=NGV4kV7wgh6RGM%3A (https://www.google.com.au/search?q=15mm+landsknecht&safe=off&client=firefox-b&biw=1478&bih=1106&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwijg-yi9ZzNAhWkIqYKHZsDCxEQsAQIKA#safe=off&tbm=isch&q=15mm+16th+century+knights&imgrc=NGV4kV7wgh6RGM%3A)
Cheers!
Joe Thomlinson
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Has anyone tried this before? (I am sure someone must have)
Indeed. At one time I had an extensive WHFB 15mm collection. Alas I sold most of it off when I could no longer see the detail to paint.
For Empire I used mostly Essex 15mm range. The earlier minis from the medieval range worked as some of the less developed provinces, moving forward to the Renaissance range for Altdorf etc. Essex fantasy halflings supplied the denizens of The Moot as well. This was the Empire before the addition of large magical war machines or demi gryphon riding knights, I'm not sure what you could use for them.
As a gaming group we also had Dwarves (mostly Chariot, now Magister Militum), Chaos Dwarves (Grenadier dwarves and Alternative Armies hobgoblins), Undead (Chariot and Essex), Dark Elves (10mm Pendraken) and Skaven (Pendraken). As Warhammer developed one of the players added some lovely Khemrians and Lizardmen.
Ironically I am now looking at 15mm again. A combination of using a magnifying visor and a change in the way I paint minis (and in expectations) means I recently finished a 15mm Orc force for Dragon Rampant (Pics on my blog https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=4899669474242045369#editor/target=post;postID=6254744241279546272;onPublishedMenu=allposts;onClosedMenu=allposts;postNum=16;src=postname).
At some point I will rebase my old Empire stuff to use as a League of Rhordia army for KoW, but we still haven't decided on base sizes yet.
Hope this is useful.
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This is something I have considered having no interest in getting a mortgage for GW minis and having little storage for large armies. I also looked at Black Hat's 15s they have some nice Renaissance types as do 15mm.co.uk.
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The Demonworld (RPE) Empire range should do a lot of it.
http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/shop/demonworld-15mm-c-76/demonworld-classic-c-76_151/the-empire-c-76_151_80/
For the warmachines / cannon use Demonworld (RPE) Dwarf range. They also have some Dwarf Arquebusiers who are in Lanschneck style clothing.
Knights on Griffins may be the only difficult one. Demonworld (RPE) Empire range has a knight on a dragon and you can now buy all sorts of Demonworld figures singly - so the rider is no problem. However, Demonworld do not do a Griffin. So to make that exact model you'll need to get on e from Splinted Light of 15mm.co.uk and kit bash it.
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Good advice above about using historicals. You will find that these are much cheaper than fantasy figures. Then you can just add some of the heroes, griffin riders, wizards, etc from the fantasy ranges.
For dwarves I recommend Peter Pig as these actually look dwarf sized compared to 15mm humans, which many 15mm dwarves don't.
Here are some of mine :
(http://i60.tinypic.com/158a2ya.jpg)
More here:
http://polkovnikproductions.freeforums.org/15mm-dwarf-army-t472.html
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Those are cracking dwarves :). You are quite right about differing sizes, I found quite a few that would have done as 20mm dwarves, certainly many are around 15mm tall, so look odd next to historical humans.
When I had dreams of a Bretonnian army in 15mm i bought a tube of fantasy monsters IIRC from The Early Learning Centre. It contained several griffons and pegasi, around the right scale for 15mm. No idea if they are still available, but I'm sure there must be something out there.
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Troops and knights you're pretty well covered by Ral Partha.Regarding war machines, as has been mentioned there are a good deal around. I'm pretty such I've seen a historical Hussite war wagons (museum miniatures?). There's a guy who's made a decent steam tank from a VSF tank here:
http://themedetianwars.blogspot.dk/2014/11/steam-tank-tastic.html (http://themedetianwars.blogspot.dk/2014/11/steam-tank-tastic.html)
I'm sure I've seen a griffon somewhere, thought it was 15mm.co.uk, but I can't see it on there now, but there must be one somewhere.
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Cheers everyone. That steam tank link is the business. I know that this 15mm idea was a good one, and thanks to everyone's ideas here I a determined to give it a go. I think I might start by doing up an empire and an ork army for Dragon Rampent, then expand it up to warhammer scale. I have dug out my old army books and am starting to write some lists.
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Splintered Light has excellent WFB-styled Orcs, Goblins, Skaven, Dark Elves and Wood Elves. Might be more, been a while since I surfed their catalog. Their more recent releases have tended toward a more classic D&D inspired look, but the earlier ranges were much more Warhammer-friendly (or Armies of Arcana, which is what I've mostly seen them used for).
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There are lots of odd historicals that could mix into a fantasy force, especially in 15mm.
Apart from Hussite war-wagons (Museum Miniatures, Minifigs, Essex) you might be able to kitbash something - would a 10mm WWI or SCW armoured car convert to a 15mm steam tank?
There are kits of the Da Vinci tank etc but most are in quite large scales, but you might find something in a "museum novelty key ring" or "novelty pencil sharpener" range. Look in your nearest museum or art gallery gift shop.
Also worth checking cheap board games - car boot sales in the summer are the best source for random bits of cheap tat. Charity shops are another option.
Also craft/card making shops sometimes have occasional useful finds. Especially whilst steam-punk is still in vogue. I actually found a plastic bead (designed for ear-ring making) that was perfect for a 25mm pirate ship figurehead of a mermaid.
Some ancient figure ranges might provide useful pieces too, things like Byzantine flamethrowers or a wide selection of ballistas/mangonels etc. The Perrier siege engine might look suitable (a sort of trebuchet style thing with lots of chaps pulling bell ropes instead of a counterweight)
Chariot Miniatures used to have interesting figures amongst their ancients including a camel disguised as an elephant (it's wearing a sort of basket-work fancy dress outfit, with the camel's head looking out from between the ears).
Small Schleich dinosaurs make useful mounts for fighting platforms or armoured riders.
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Splintered light also have a Egyptian undead range that is worth checking out for tomb kings. Battle valour is also worth checking out for figures, though none of them have a basis for GWs stuff, if your like me and are effectively looking to expand on the Warhammer world they're worth a look.
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15mm.co.uk (or one of their linked companies) have a lovely resin Da Vinci tank in 15mm, along with Leo himself. They've got a decent range of fantasy figures too.
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You should definately have a look at the Magister Militum Blood Dawn fantasy miniatures. They are more like 17 or 18mm scale but the orcs in particular are very GW. The dwarves are also very good and they have berserkers (troll/giant slayers).
http://www.magistermilitum.com/manufacturer/blood-dawn.html#p=1
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Try Old Glory 15s for Empire and Kislev , they do some great artillery.
Check out this blog for some.http://chrisfigurines.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/15mm-italian-wars-viii-cannon.html
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I have started a 15mm Empire army using various medieval and Renaissance figures.
http://gunnerswargamming.blogspot.com.au/search/label/15mm%20Empire (http://gunnerswargamming.blogspot.com.au/search/label/15mm%20Empire)
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I have most 15mm fantasy makes.....
For my Empire army I use Venaxia, not available at the minute and Old Glory Italian Wars ranges....the foot figures give a great Empire style look and the ranges are very good.
I use Essex miniatures for Bretonian/Rohida (or whatever Kings of war call them)
For Hobbits/Halflings I picked up some old Mikes Models landsknechts.....these will make great 'Imperial' Halflings. the sculpts are quite small and stocky so ideal for the Shire/Moot folk.
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I raised a 15mm renaissance starter army earlier this year (for FoG:R). From the beginning I planned to use it as the core of a fantasy human faction for playing Mayhem. After all, looking at the most widespread fantasy universe in wargaming, its Empire army is little more than a generic renaissance army pimped with a few fantasy elements (magicians, steam tanks and the odd creature). So, this should be fine within my own fantasy world... :)
The biggest portion is by far from Black Hat Miniatures, followed by Museum Miniatures and a few from 15mm.co.uk (mainly artillery). But be careful, some of the Black Hat Renaissance sculpts are very bulky and these can hardly be placed next to other manufacturers' miniatures, sometimes even next to other Minis from Black Hat.
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Demonworld are my first choice since they capture the look of Warhammer well. I also use a lot of Splintered Light and Copplestone. Mix in Essex and Old Glory historical miniatures for Empire troops.
http://dantes-game.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-battle-continues.html
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Museum Miniatures do some very nice 15mm medieval troops including Landsknecht that would make some great Empire figures ,,, also some great bits from their War of the Roses and HYW range including handgunners and Xbowmen .
I think mixing up figures from the three periods would give a great looking 15mm Empire army , cheers Tom