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Title: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Rich H on July 25, 2016, 07:24:10 AM: Pondering a new 28mm project, post WW2 tanks so not really WW2. which would you like to see and why?
(Will be 1/56 as I've given in and switched from 1/48)

Soviet:
Object 268
(https://wotarmory.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/object-268-historical.jpg)

Object 704
(http://worldoftanks.com/dcont/fb/imagesforarticles/chieftains_hatch/kubinka/obj704.jpg)

Brit:
Tortoise
(http://siberia-miniatures.ru/siberia-minisimages/c83e1ac1fe80814a3da94ee0ec21ce50.jpg)

Yank:
T-95
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/T-28-1.jpg)

which would you like to see?

Rich
Title: Re: Next tank project - help me choose - 1945 on
Post by: Kelgtar on July 25, 2016, 07:56:13 AM: All of them :D

No German ones?

But if you really need an answer which one, Object 268.
Title: Re: Next tank project - help me choose - 1945 on
Post by: Rich H on July 25, 2016, 09:55:06 AM: I've got some rules about projects - The rules include: 'Must have seen combat' - this one has been changed to 'must have been built'.

Quite a few of the Paper Tigers were not practical, most have a rear drive but no room for a transmission! I may explore them later...

I'm thinking Tortoise, the Soviets have the ISU-152 already but no one has a 30 pounder... but the 268 looks awesome too...
Title: Re: Next tank project - help me choose - 1945 on
Post by: Kelgtar on July 25, 2016, 10:27:12 AM: My initial thought was the tortoise :) Looking forward to seeing this
Title: Re: Next tank project - help me choose - 1945 on
Post by: Rich H on July 25, 2016, 11:09:44 AM: 30 pounder AT gun... :o
Title: Re: Next tank project - help me choose - 1945 on
Post by: Rich H on July 25, 2016, 11:22:48 AM: Correction - 32 pounder! Ouch - though penetration data is proving elusive...
Title: Re: Next tank project - help me choose - 1945 on
Post by: Harry Faversham on July 25, 2016, 11:23:01 AM: Excellent camo on the Tortoise gun barrel, turns the entire shebang practically invisible...
I bet it could sneak up on you without you knowing!

:o
Title: Re: Next tank project - help me choose - 1945 on
Post by: gamer Mac on July 25, 2016, 11:59:42 AM: Never heard of the tortoise but it looks cool
Where does the driver sit?
Is that the driver on the left?
Title: Re: Next tank project - help me choose - 1945 on
Post by: Ballardian on July 25, 2016, 12:58:00 PM: Of those you listed it'd be the Tortoise, but later additions to the IS range would be interesting - I'm particularly thinking of the multi gunned madness that was the IS7.
Title: Re: Next tank project - help me choose - 1945 on
Post by: Rich H on July 25, 2016, 11:07:33 PM: That thing does have a ridiculous number of mgs...

But I think I'm going with the Tortoise.

then the T-95

then the others :D
Title: Re: Next tank project - help me choose - 1945 on
Post by: Rich H on July 26, 2016, 08:50:27 AM: tortoise printed out, construction will hopefully begin tonight.
Title: Re: Next tank project - help me choose - 1945 on
Post by: Ballardian on July 26, 2016, 01:33:39 PM: Eagerly following how this turns out, always thought that while the tortoises hull was of fairly simple slabby construction, the casemates front section had a weird lumpy shape that might be an interesting challenge, good luck with the project!
Title: Re: Next tank project - help me choose - 1945 on
Post by: Rich H on July 26, 2016, 01:36:04 PM: Thanks.
The casemate is going to be a bit of a pain but not impossible. I build the flat structure from plasticard and leave pockets for miliput to create the corners. They can then be sculpted then sanded to shape.

T-95 has a similar problem.
Title: Re: Next tank project - help me choose - 1945 on
Post by: Rich H on July 27, 2016, 08:10:50 AM: Started on the A39 hull but I'm not happy with it, the rounded bits are very tricky!
I'll rebuild it tomorrow, won't take long. I've got a better plan for it.
Title: Re: Next tank project - help me choose - 1945 on
Post by: Rich H on July 29, 2016, 09:39:04 AM: Bit of progress. Most of the hull structure done
Inspector Reid and Sgt Drake for scale
This thing is huge. 5"x3"x2" without the gun!
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160728_220406_zpsveujz5sy.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160728_220406_zpsveujz5sy.jpg.html)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160728_220415_zpsar07hjey.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160728_220415_zpsar07hjey.jpg.html)

Back deck
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160729_073018_zpsqxiaxagp.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160729_073018_zpsqxiaxagp.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: The_Beast on July 29, 2016, 01:31:27 PM: You know? I think this is the first time I've visited the WWII board. After seeing this thread, I AM kicking myself!

I was aware of monsters, both during and after the war, but those are eye-opening.

I just wish there was a model of the T-95.

There was a discussion on another forum of what you'd use to start the Sci-Fi cybernetic tank known as O.G.R.E.

One look, and it was all, THAT'S IT!

However, I will be back to see how the Tortoise is coming along. Crickies!

Doug
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Rich H on July 29, 2016, 02:43:30 PM: Welcome to WW2 :D

More of my stuff here:
http://www.warlordgames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=10505

T-95 is next on the list >:D
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Ballardian on July 29, 2016, 04:52:51 PM: Looking good so far.
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: fred on July 29, 2016, 05:29:58 PM: Just checked out your thread on warlord - WOW!

Excellent work on so many different models.

Interesting to see the framework of the Tortoise - looking forward to seeing it progress. Its a big old beast!
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Rich H on July 29, 2016, 05:37:30 PM: Thanks!

I use a few ways of keeping things in line, internal bulkheads usually.
Once the major faces are stuck I then go round and plate over the gaps.

I try and minimise filler but sometimes it's unavoidable!

Working on the undercarriage now - it's rather tedious! Pics to follow...
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: warburton on July 30, 2016, 07:34:03 AM: Good stuff so far 8) 8)
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Rich H on July 30, 2016, 08:37:34 AM: Thanks!
Track test:

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160729_142556_zps4qeb6rd4.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160729_142556_zps4qeb6rd4.jpg.html)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160729_143931_zpst31mgkon.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160729_143931_zpst31mgkon.jpg.html)

Undercarriage:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160729_162642_zps5fsomcap.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160729_162642_zps5fsomcap.jpg.html)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160729_175427_zpsl6lilfgk.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160729_175427_zpsl6lilfgk.jpg.html)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160729_175501_zpsxt3klm9m.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160729_175501_zpsxt3klm9m.jpg.html)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160729_175707_zpsz9vveonr.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160729_175707_zpsz9vveonr.jpg.html)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160730_083057_zps5qj6yihl.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160730_083057_zps5qj6yihl.jpg.html)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160730_083111_zpsgiqv1szx.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160730_083111_zpsgiqv1szx.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Rich H on July 30, 2016, 08:57:53 AM: Warlord 1/56 Sherman for scale:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160730_085306_zps2sbmaudq.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160730_085306_zps2sbmaudq.jpg.html)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160730_085318_zpsirjx4fcg.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160730_085318_zpsirjx4fcg.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Vanvlak on July 30, 2016, 09:47:51 AM: Crikey! That IS impressive - sizewise and buildwise. 8) 8) 8)
Those markings (traverse angle?) on the Sherman seem familiar, I think I've seen a photo somewhere - what are they please?
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Rich H on July 30, 2016, 09:51:16 AM: Its a Royal Marine Armoured Support Group observation tank. Used on DDay to durect the fire from the RMASG Centaurs.

It certainly is massive. Its strange that in isolation it looks small as most of my tanks are 1/48 but put it in context and its size is apparent!
Title: Re: Next tank project - help me choose - 1945 on
Post by: fastolfrus on July 30, 2016, 11:41:48 AM: Quote from: Harry Faversham on July 25, 2016, 11:23:01 AM
Excellent camo on the Tortoise gun barrel, turns the entire shebang practically invisible...
I bet it could sneak up on you without you knowing!

Don't be silly! It's not camouflage, it's go faster stripes for the Goodwood festival of speed. :~}
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Rich H on July 30, 2016, 12:05:07 PM: Would be impressive running up the hill but I don't think it will worry the record!
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Vanvlak on July 30, 2016, 12:32:01 PM: Quote from: Rich H on July 30, 2016, 09:51:16 AM
Its a Royal Marine Armoured Support Group observation tank. Used on DDay to durect the fire from the RMASG Centaurs.

It certainly is massive. Its strange that in isolation it looks small as most of my tanks are 1/48 but put it in context and its size is apparent!
Thanks - I can't remember the context but I'm certain I had seen a picture of those marks.
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: N.C.S.E on July 31, 2016, 01:03:25 PM: Having stood inside a Tortoise, the thing's an absolute beast (bad for a chap's neck though)

Lovely work. :)
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Rich H on August 01, 2016, 08:24:13 AM: Nice! How did you manage to pull that off?!
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Rich H on August 01, 2016, 08:26:33 AM: In the meantime I corrected the tracks

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160731_221609_zpsn1hhptuc.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160731_221609_zpsn1hhptuc.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: fred on August 01, 2016, 08:22:15 PM: Laser cut MDF tracks - I don't know whether to be impressed, or call for the men in white coats ;)

The running gear look the business.
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Rich H on August 01, 2016, 08:28:07 PM: I've got form... My T50 was far worse...

http://www.warlordgames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=17105&start=10
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: fred on August 01, 2016, 10:11:57 PM: Bonkers. In a good way.

I followed some links last night to a thread where a chap was building a 1/35th Ratte - it was huge. He was casting bogies from resin - all 60 of them.
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: fastolfrus on August 01, 2016, 10:45:04 PM: I/35 Ratte? that would be impressive.

I recall a wargames show in the late 1970s where someone turned up with a 1/6th scale tiger.
Remote control, fired shotgun blanks. More of a model engineering project (it was all metal) than a model-making project.
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Rich H on August 01, 2016, 11:17:55 PM: Even I'm not that nuts. But i do occasionally question my sanity

Tracks starting to come together
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160801_231327_zpsd25fjop7.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160801_231327_zpsd25fjop7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Rich H on August 02, 2016, 08:10:45 AM: Couldn't sleep so more progress. Its full size is now apparent...

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160802_073224_zpsu389wasi.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160802_073224_zpsu389wasi.jpg.html)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160802_073233_zpsz9l9sogt.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160802_073233_zpsz9l9sogt.jpg.html)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160802_073255_zpsqilopbdv.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160802_073255_zpsqilopbdv.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Ballardian on August 02, 2016, 03:40:43 PM: Looks fantastic, I hate to wish insomnia on anyone but it seems to be working for you!
For true large scale insanity, there was a tv show in the UK about model making called 'Supermodels' & in one episode there was a segment about a talented gentleman, (can't recall his name I'm afraid) who specialised in scatch built 1/6 scale WWII models - including the 80cm Schwerer Gustav railway gun. However the true insanity was only revealed once we entered his 'shed' wherein was a 1/2 size Tiger 1E entirely built of wood, while outside were full size, wooden replicas of both an SdKfz 250 & a panzer II Ausf L - such dedication surely wins him all the marbles!
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Rich H on August 02, 2016, 03:52:12 PM: I think SWMBO would bury me under the rhubarb if I tried that...
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Rich H on August 02, 2016, 10:52:36 PM: Roof plate and hatches plus turret

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160802_222139_zpsub6ilyzl.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160802_222139_zpsub6ilyzl.jpg.html)

Hatches open
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160802_223249_zpsp3v742g4.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160802_223249_zpsp3v742g4.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: fred on August 03, 2016, 07:35:45 AM: The hatches really start to make it come to life.

Its interesting to see the use of different materials, the laser cut mdf for the mantlets, but plastic card for the hatches.
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Rich H on August 03, 2016, 07:41:29 AM: Yes the mdf cuts beautifully on the laser so complex shapes are easier. The plastic can be cut but the edges are usually poor
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Helen on August 03, 2016, 09:08:13 AM: Nicely done and thank you for sharing your project.
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Rich H on August 03, 2016, 09:37:43 AM: Thanks. Ddtailing is going to take a few hours!
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Rich H on August 04, 2016, 12:42:52 PM: (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160803_223951_zpsncgklaze.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160803_223951_zpsncgklaze.jpg.html)

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160803_223933_zps0hkfa9rh.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160803_223933_zps0hkfa9rh.jpg.html)

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160803_221414_zpsyefcmp65.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160803_221414_zpsyefcmp65.jpg.html)

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160803_223923_zpsgcp1qfpj.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160803_223923_zpsgcp1qfpj.jpg.html)

Minor mistake on the front of the hull the sharp edges need blending out. Also need to add more filler to the roof to blend in the minor turret sides and the commander's cupola.
Then it's on to rivets and hinges *Shudder* it's going to take ages!
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: OSHIROmodels on August 04, 2016, 12:45:35 PM: Some great modelling there 8) 8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Rich H on August 04, 2016, 12:56:14 PM: Thanks!

I'm waiting for my Mr Surfacer to turn up so once the filleting is done I can give the cast armour the required texture of cast armour, it will also blend in the curves better.
Never tried it before so it should be 'interesting'
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: OSHIROmodels on August 04, 2016, 01:17:10 PM: The 'Mr Hobby' products are rather good 8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Andym on August 04, 2016, 06:16:33 PM: Wow! Know that's some 'proper' modelling! Keep up the great work! :-*
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Agis on August 05, 2016, 07:31:03 AM: Great project! I really like what I see so far!!!
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: jtrnka on August 05, 2016, 03:39:00 PM: This will be a dream to cast. :)
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Rich H on August 05, 2016, 03:42:23 PM: Currently riveting....
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: jtrnka on August 05, 2016, 04:59:06 PM: I feel for you.
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Rich H on August 05, 2016, 05:50:48 PM: Sides done. Back deck to do. Bit more work done on the filler too.
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Rich H on August 08, 2016, 12:08:26 AM: Calling this done

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160807_230633_zpsa5gqen2k.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160807_230633_zpsa5gqen2k.jpg.html)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160807_230615_zpspiths2ww.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160807_230615_zpspiths2ww.jpg.html)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160807_230644_zpsasrsztyo.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160807_230644_zpsasrsztyo.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Ballardian on August 08, 2016, 12:18:38 AM: Lovely job! If JTFM are going to cast it it looks like I'll have to make some more shelf space.
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Andym on August 08, 2016, 07:29:47 AM: Oomph! That's just amazing! :o :o :o
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: OSHIROmodels on August 08, 2016, 08:37:04 AM: Top job 8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: jtrnka on August 08, 2016, 01:08:01 PM: Excellent !! Will be a monster cast !!
Title: Re: Next tank project - A39 Tortoise!
Post by: Rich H on August 08, 2016, 11:24:51 PM: Done

If you would like one then let Jeff know on the JTFM facebook page :D

Hes called George after Darwins Giant Tortoise.

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160808_231910_zpslqzriuoa.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160808_231910_zpslqzriuoa.jpg.html)