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Title: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Ninefingers on August 26, 2016, 08:22:41 AM

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Medieval Archers: release date November

24 Figures

Details gleaned from their Facebook page.

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: tyrionhalfman on August 26, 2016, 12:12:37 PM

Looking forward to seeing how these come out. I hope they're a bit better than the conquest archers. Good to have more plastic archers. Still a shame it's only the Perrys who seem to want to include archer options in their main set as not everyone will want 24 bow armed soldiers

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Captain Blood on August 26, 2016, 05:08:06 PM

Good news. Looking forward to seeing these.

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: halesturm on August 27, 2016, 10:09:06 AM

Excellent news. I just wish Fireforge would also do a plastic Arab set to compliment the GB one.

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: HvM on August 27, 2016, 01:03:49 PM

Quote from: Captain Blood on August 26, 2016, 05:08:06 PM

Good news. Looking forward to seeing these.

So, for what house in Westeros you gonna use them this time?  ;D

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Miantanomo on August 27, 2016, 01:30:15 PM

Oooo this is exciting!

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Charlie_ on August 27, 2016, 03:45:06 PM

Will await this with interest.

I'm not very impressed with the Fireforge kits as a whole, but it's mostly due to the arms. The bodies are nice, and the heads are a non-issue as they can be most easily swapped out with those from other kits.

If this kit has some nice bodies I might grab a few sprues worth. If it has useful longbow arms that mix in well with the Perry kits, then that's a bonus!

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: rumacara on August 29, 2016, 02:06:30 PM

Great. More Money to spend. o_o

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: tomrommel1 on August 29, 2016, 02:23:47 PM

Will definitely have to check them out at Crisis in Antwerp this November

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: mweaver on August 31, 2016, 01:33:23 AM

Sounds promising.

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Argonor on August 31, 2016, 01:43:34 AM

I hope they'll fit nicely with the plastic Bretonnian archers, so they can be used in conjunction with those for more variation.

Well, I have plenty to paint as is, but let's see some minis in the plastic.

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: CarlLeyland on September 03, 2016, 09:47:59 PM

I like Fireforge and I am really looking forward to these.....Christmas came early.

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Harry Faversham on September 04, 2016, 11:34:51 AM

??? When will they be in the shops?  ???

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Captain Blood on September 04, 2016, 05:14:54 PM

Quote from: Harry Faversham on September 04, 2016, 11:34:51 AM

??? When will they be in the shops?  ???

Quote from: Ninefingers on August 26, 2016, 08:22:41 AM

Medieval Archers: release date November

24 Figures

Details gleaned from their Facebook page.

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: sukhe_bator on September 06, 2016, 01:49:07 PM

More to paint!  ;D lol :o

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Vermis on September 06, 2016, 04:08:28 PM

Apart from scale, proportion, getting a bunch of MaA in the same box etc., how would these differ from the Perry HYW archers?

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Lord Ekard on September 06, 2016, 06:02:57 PM

Quote from: Vermis on September 06, 2016, 04:08:28 PM

Apart from scale, proportion, getting a bunch of MaA in the same box etc., how would these differ from the Perry HYW archers?

ours will have more balistic skill

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Charlie_ on September 06, 2016, 06:16:38 PM

Quote from: Vermis on September 06, 2016, 04:08:28 PM

Apart from scale, proportion, getting a bunch of MaA in the same box etc., how would these differ from the Perry HYW archers?

I'm guessing they are going to be from an earlier era? 13th or early 14th century, rather than early 15th? Though admittedly the differences in dress and armour will be less noticeable on archer than it would on fully armoured men at arms.
I'm interested to see how they look alongside the Perry ones, anyway.

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Captain Blood on September 06, 2016, 06:47:44 PM

Quote from: Lord Ekard on September 06, 2016, 06:02:57 PM

ours will have more balistic skill

 lol good answer.

As Charlie says, given that the other Fireforge medieval kits are 'Crusades' era - kind of generic early medieval 1100s ish, I'd expect these to represent a period at least a couple of hundred years before the distinctively C15th Perry sets. So quite different I suspect. The style of Fireforge is also quite different, although many of us happily kitbash Perry and Fireforge parts together for various medieval-ish settings  ;)

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Ogrob on September 06, 2016, 07:36:06 PM

Just from the picture this will be really useful. I put all my Lannisters in kettle hats for some reason and this looks like it will provide.

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Vermis on September 07, 2016, 12:07:47 AM

Ta folks!

Quote from: Lord Ekard on September 06, 2016, 06:02:57 PM

ours will have more balistic skill

Okay then. lol

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: TWD on September 08, 2016, 04:23:59 PM

I have been told that archers didn't wear kettle hats as the brim gets in the way of the string.
Both these and the Perry Brets wear them.
So, have I been misinformed?

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: sukhe_bator on September 08, 2016, 04:47:28 PM

You do tend to see a lot in arming caps and hoods, with kettle hats reserved for close combat/skirmishing... maybe a good variant is to use a substitute head with kettle hat belt-slung?

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: dinohunterpoa on September 11, 2016, 10:23:58 PM

Quote from: Lord Ekard on September 06, 2016, 06:02:57 PM

ours will have more balistic skill

Best marketing EVER!!!  ;)

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Cubs on September 11, 2016, 10:48:52 PM

Quote from: TWD on September 08, 2016, 04:23:59 PM

I have been told that archers didn't wear kettle hats as the brim gets in the way of the string.
Both these and the Perry Brets wear them.
So, have I been misinformed?

I think it's one of those 'no-one knows' situations where there are a lot of interesting theories.

I've also heard that kettle hats weren't worn, for that reason, which seems plausible to me. But I guess if the brim was small enough and didn't get in the way ...  It's not like helmets were made to a standard proportion or even that archers all drew the arrow to the same spot - some might draw to the mouth, some to the cheek, the eye, the ear, etc ...  Maybe the archer would have a kettle hat for hand to hand, but not wear it whilst using the bow. Who knows.

It's certainly fuel for a discussion that could run and run. Medieval illustrations do occasionally show archers in kettle hats, but then how accurate can we expect them to be? There's all sorts of crazy shit in those things.

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Gracchus Armisurplus on September 12, 2016, 01:10:00 AM

One also needs to account for the "I don't care if it buggers my shot, I'm not standing here with no bloody helmet!" attitude.

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Munindk on September 12, 2016, 07:37:52 AM

The archer on the left has tilted the helmet and his head slightly, the archer on the right only tilts his head but it looks like he isnt drawing the string back quite as far. The guy in the middle looks thoroughly bothered by his helmet though...
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/history/img/themes/society/royalty/446x251/archers_446.jpg)

I've worn a kettle hat while firing a bow and there were no issues, but since it was LARP I didnt need to pull the string back far enough for it to really prove anything.

The main advantage I can see would be sunshade for archers eyes.

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: sukhe_bator on September 12, 2016, 09:28:55 AM

Nice to see the living history element testing out the practicalities.
I'm with Armisurplus... if I had protective gear in a combat situation I'd certainly make sure I'd wear it and work around it. general protection and shielding from rain and sun would all play their part I imagine.
When you think of it Japanese ashigaru wore Jingasa while using bows and the brims on those were probably the same if not a little larger...

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Ninefingers on October 13, 2016, 08:40:17 PM

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14691327_1322972374388750_3867918936762206196_o.jpg)

Available to pre-order now. Nice to see some new heads, and they will be great for kitbashing with other plastics.

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Charlie_ on October 13, 2016, 08:56:10 PM

Interesting! Are those the same bodies as the sergeants-at-arms (I think that's the one) set?
If so, it's just new arms and heads?

Some of the arms are in very weird poses... Seems to be a problem with a lot of plastic sets, getting good bow-firing arms... But some look good.

The heads look nice.

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: fred on October 13, 2016, 09:09:00 PM

Hmm, they do look very like the foot sergeants bodies. Most of the heads look like they are from that set too. The two hooded ones look new.

Fireforge do seem to create a lot of kits from the same core bodies with just different arms. Which I find a little strange, as I thought it was the cost of the tooling and mold making that was the really expensive part for plastic figures. Therefore it would have been worth spending a bit more on the sculpting. Perhaps we are spoiled by the Perry's for whom the sculpting really is the cheap bit (as they do it), so they can put lots of variety on their sprues.

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Captain Blood on October 13, 2016, 09:20:22 PM

Hmmm. Another batch of recycled components with a couple of new heads and some shonky looking bow arms. Afraid I won't be getting these. So disappointing. Some new, different figures, bodies and heads would have been nice...  ::)

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: nic-e on October 13, 2016, 09:28:59 PM

Take out the bows and many of them look to be mid rap battle.

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: dinohunterpoa on October 13, 2016, 10:41:38 PM

Recycled bodies and awkward arm positions, shame on you, Fireforge! Don't you feel your customers deserve a product of the same level of your other great plastic sets?  :'(

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: MattW on October 14, 2016, 04:22:41 AM

A number of the same issues as their other sets- namely the weird poses. I think they're going for 'dynamic', but all they really get is uncoordinated.

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Verderer on October 14, 2016, 02:03:59 PM

I like them for individual skirmishers, not so much as battallion archers. They seem to be aiming point blank... lol

Useful to have variant heads at least, for mixing with other FF plastics. Might buy a box, even if I'd really need a sprue or two.

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Romark on October 14, 2016, 02:08:05 PM

Looks like a missed opportunity  :(

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: sukhe_bator on October 14, 2016, 02:20:28 PM

Probably only useful for mashups - use the MAA bodies with Perry WOTR or HYW or Frostgrave arms and the archer arms on sommat else?

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: delbruck on October 14, 2016, 02:52:03 PM

Quote

A number of the same issues as their other sets- namely the weird poses. I think they're going for 'dynamic', but all they really get is uncoordinated.

Unfortunately I have to agree. The dynamic poses are too Hollywood.

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Hu Rhu on October 14, 2016, 05:04:36 PM

B****y awful.  :(  >:(  I for one won't be buying them.

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Banderium on October 14, 2016, 06:25:23 PM

I like them!  :D

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Captain Blood on October 14, 2016, 09:58:07 PM

Looking at them again, if you took a couple of the heads and the various bow arms from the Frostgrave soldiers set and put them with the FF foot sergeants set, this is effectively what you get - the set shown above. Same sculptor. Same style. More or less the same components.
Fireforge have pulled this trick with previous sets. I thought they had mended their ways.
I really liked their resin Kiev city militia. I really like some of the components in some of their sets.
But this endless repackaging of existing components into new sets, with the addition of just a few bits and pieces is basically a swizz. It's not going to win the company many friends. Pity.

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Charlie_ on October 14, 2016, 10:38:34 PM

It hasn't gone down well, has it?  ;)

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: Elbows on October 14, 2016, 11:28:12 PM

They're on their way to becoming Warlord from a few years back (different boxes = same miniatures with different flag decals in the box...what a load of crap).  lol

Title: Re: Fireforge to release 28mm 'Medieval Archers' Plastics
Post by: tyrionhalfman on October 15, 2016, 07:18:16 AM

Well now that's four infantry boxes for their western medieval range, with only two sets of bodies. Templars and Teutonic same bodies and mostly same heads arms and equipment, and now Sergeants and Archers same bodies and mostly same heads. Really disappointing :(