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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: aktr on August 31, 2016, 11:31:17 AM
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Hi,
I'm after a new WW2 army (primarily for CoC) but it has to be something obscure
either a Early war army to use against Blitzkrieg Germans or a late war army to use against the Germans (so no pacific or desert)
Obscure means not something that a person with a passing knowledge of history would no about
However it has to be possible to get figures in 28mm for the army in question
Ones I have in mind so far are
Brazil (using LW US kits)
Dutch (using the May 40 miniatures which are coming soon)
Polish army of France (using French miniatures - possible even French ww1 miniatures as some one told me some where clad in horizon blue due to a shortage)
bonus points if it has weird/wonderful/obsolete vehicles available as support
so any suggestions
Cheers
Andy
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Finnish after change of sides in late 1944?
Romanian after change of sides in late 1944?
Hungarian - 1945 coup involving Otto Skorzeny?
Dutch 1940?
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Italians post 1943?
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Romanian after change of sides in late 1944?
Hungarian - 1945 coup involving Otto Skorzeny?
What models would you use for Romanian or Hungarians?
Hungarian Coup is a new one on me, I'll have to look into that
Italians post 1943?
I've found conflicting sources regarding the Italian Liberation corps - some say they just kept there old Italian equipment and organisation, others that they where reequipped by the British (or possibly Americans, I forget which one)
Any ideas which it is?
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For Hungarians a mix of WW1 and WW2 Germans could probably work quite well.
Romanians are more difficult, but possibly headswaps on Russians and/or Germans would work? That's if anyone makes heads with the distinctive Romanian helmet. On the other hand their mountain troops wore berets so maybe Warlord Russians with British Royal Marine or para berets might work?
I've seen Italians in complete German kit (except Italian helmet) fighting for the Fascist Republic. For those fighting for the Kingdom of Italy British battledress seems common but with Italian Beretta SMGs and rifles but Bren LMGs.
Flames of War had some informative 'briefings' on the LW Italian options but I'm not sure they're still on their site.
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Luxembourg. You won't need many figures. There is a Panzer Grenadier supplement on it if you need some scenario ideas.
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The post 1943 Italian army fighting on the Allied side should be roughly divided in four-three subperiods
1) the fighting against the Germans in the immediate aftermath of the armistice - Roma, Cefalonia, the Greek islands (captain Corelli!) etc. During this very short period obviously units kept their own old uniforms
2) 1 raggruppamento motorizzato (1st motorized group), roughly late 1943 - very early 1944, with the old Italian uniforms
3) Corpo Italiano di Liberazione (Italian Liberation Corps), early 1944- late 1944, mostly old Italian uniforms. As this was meant to be representative of all the Armed forces, it included alpini, bersaglieri, paras, San Marco regiment, etc. It also had a number of partisan units attached, in particular the Maiella group which fought with the Army until the end of the war
4) 6 Gruppi di combattimento - 6 combat groups (Cremona, Legnano, Friuli, Folgore, Mantova, Piceno), these were fully equipped by the British and wore standard battledress, sometimes mixing it with some traditional Italian features (like the bersagliere feathers, for instance). They were ready by early 1945 and fought only in the last months of the war
Then there were all sorts of oddballs - such as the "F" recce squadron, formed immediately after the armistice by a unit of paras that refused to go North with the Fascists, then was equipped by the British and turned basically into an Italian SAS unit, which was wearing a British para smock but with an Italian beret and with Beretta guns..
All along, you can also field partisans wearing a mix of civilian clothes, old Italian uniforms, stuff provided by the Allies or captured from the Germans...
Hope this helps!
What models would you use for Romanian or Hungarians?
Hungarian Coup is a new one on me, I'll have to look into that
I've found conflicting sources regarding the Italian Liberation corps - some say they just kept there old Italian equipment and organisation, others that they where reequipped by the British (or possibly Americans, I forget which one)
Any ideas which it is?
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Prinses Irene Brigade and Belgian Independent Brigade?
http://www.fireandfury.com/orbats/latedutchbelgorbat.pdf (http://www.fireandfury.com/orbats/latedutchbelgorbat.pdf)
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Slovaks.
A fellow LAFer makes beautiful 28mm Czech figures and Mad Bob and Warlord make the tanks you might want. Useable against Hungarians in the eight day micro war of 1939 or as German Allies in Russia. Leave off the helmet markings and you can use them (as intended) against a what if German invasion of Czechoslovakia.
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Slovaks.
A fellow LAFer makes beautiful 28mm Czech figures and Mad Bob and Warlord make the tanks you might want. Useable against Hungarians in the eight day micro war of 1939 or as German Allies in Russia. Leave off the helmet markings and you can use them (as intended) against a what if German invasion of Czechoslovakia.
I came across them the other day, they are very nice
https://www.horcata.eu/category/czechoslovak-infantry/
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French "armée de l'atlantique" who fought against the German strongholds along the atlantic coast ?
Mostly ex maquis units, uniformed with a mix of US, GB , and French stuff, with ex-beute panzers, and the maquis using homemade armoured cars ... ( and some French 1st Free French Division and Leclerc 2nd Armoured Division in support )
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By the by, Brazilians aren't such an easy proposition if you are a button/ rivet counter. A mix of US troops in temperate and winter uniforms and suitable paint jobs would work, save for the fact that the FEB was armed with bolt action Springfield rifles, not M1 Garands. If you aren't fussed about rifles then it's doable. Just remember when paintin them that unlike the racially segregated US Army, Brazilian units were racially mixed.
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Cheers Chaps
I quite like the sound of the Italian Liberation Corps, I have a soft spot for the Italians
Sadly I don't think Slovakia would work as they have to be used against Germans (same for the Hungarians) and my opponent is not a fan of historical what ifs
armée de l'atlantique sound interesting, any idea where I can find more information on them?
I'm not a button counter so I'll happily say a Garand is actually a Springfield
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Danes.
They're so obscure that no one makes models that even resembles them, at least not to my knowledge.
You could however convert them from warlords EW poles with a little patience.
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Norwegians, with or without French mountain troops. I have seen figures on LAF, but don't remember who makes them.
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Danes.
They're so obscure that no one makes models that even resembles them, at least not to my knowledge.
You could however convert them from warlords EW poles with a little patience.
How much patience? last time I tried converting something I wasn't sure then end result even looked Human
Norwegians, with or without French mountain troops. I have seen figures on LAF, but don't remember who makes them.
I know Gorgon make Norwegians but there international postage cost is quite steep
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I would second the Gorgon Norwegians. They also have French Foreign Legion and British in winter gear.
Battle Honors also has some French Chasseurs Alpins that are very nice.
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Slovaks.. culd be usefull against EW Poles, too.
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Gorgon Studios
Norwegians, with or without French mountain troops. I have seen figures on LAF, but don't remember who makes them.
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Cheers Chaps
I quite like the sound of the Italian Liberation Corps, I have a soft spot for the Italians
Sadly I don't think Slovakia would work as they have to be used against Germans (same for the Hungarians) and my opponent is not a fan of historical what ifs
armée de l'atlantique sound interesting, any idea where I can find more information on them?
I'm not a button counter so I'll happily say a Garand is actually a Springfield
The Slovaks actually did fight the Germans during the Slovak National Uprising toward the end of the war. Obviously their major contribution was fighting on the eastern front for the first two years but the uprising did happen (and a Slovak pilot earned the last confirmed kill with a biplane against a Hungarian JU52)
I did a ton of research and sourced the models from Emil Horky and they're great. I put up my thoughts here: http://freshcoastgaming.blogspot.com/2015/04/bolt-action-slovak-rapid-division.html?m=1
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rifraf miniatures make WW2 Greeks in 28mm.
http://www.rifrafminiatures.co.uk/index.htm
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B.E.F. ( Brazilian expeditionary force that is) I believe a mix of us and British kit. Deployed in Italy. :)
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Soviet airbourne army. Scouts with tankers heads.
Japanese airbourne invasion of the Dutch East Indies. Japanese paras vs Dutch.
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B.E.F. ( Brazilian expeditionary force that is) I believe a mix of us and British kit. Deployed in Italy. :)
No, a mix of US and Brazilian kit.
Soviet paras would be great, they saw a quite a bit of amount of action.
Decent 28mm early war US infantry in chinos and tin hats for the Philippines and Wake Island would be welcome as well.
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Thanks Carlos. You live and learn hey? Thanks for the info. Doesn't Bob Murch make Americans in the fashion you describe?
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He does but I'm not really a fan of his cartoon character sculpts.
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Ah well there is no accounting for taste. But they do exists should others not share your taste. Vive la difference.
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On a similar note anyone know where to get Romanians from besides Outpost Wargames ?
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On a similar note anyone know where to get Romanians from besides Gothic Line miniatures ?
Outpost Wargame Services has WWII Romanians, and not too expensive it seems.
http://www.outpostwargameservices.co.uk/ (http://www.outpostwargameservices.co.uk/)
Thinking of getting some myself to pit against the Russian force I'm building.
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Outpost Wargame Services has WWII Romanians, and not too expensive it seems.
http://www.outpostwargameservices.co.uk/ (http://www.outpostwargameservices.co.uk/)
Thinking of getting some myself to pit against the Russian force I'm building.
I actually meant them lol
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:D
Gothic Line has them too, a bit more expensive but they do have seperate heads.
I was thinking of getting just the heads and put them on plastic Warlord Germans or Russians.
http://www.gothiclineminiatures.com/apps/webstore/products/category/1441828?page=1 (http://www.gothiclineminiatures.com/apps/webstore/products/category/1441828?page=1)