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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: manchesterreg on November 07, 2016, 07:57:13 PM

Title: 1940s Control Tower
Post by: manchesterreg on November 07, 2016, 07:57:13 PM
Looking for something in 28mm, to represent an RAF Control Tower in 28mm, for my Sealion gaming.
Title: Re: 1940s Control Tower
Post by: grant on November 07, 2016, 08:10:25 PM
Airfix do one in 76 that would probably be close. Saw it this weekend and it's cool.

http://www.airfix.com/us-en/airfield-control-tower-1-76.html
Title: Re: 1940s Control Tower
Post by: fred on November 07, 2016, 08:33:34 PM
The airfix one is pretty cool, but is a very simple box like construction, it really wouldn't be too hard to scratch build - if you can find the railings. Also as a 1/76 one it will be quite small for modern 28mm figures.
Title: Re: 1940s Control Tower
Post by: matiec on November 08, 2016, 08:03:36 AM
I suspect scratch build is the answer. I might well have a go......clearly needed for hawkinge and Lympne airfields. On a different note have you come across anything that would serve as a radar station ?
Title: Re: 1940s Control Tower
Post by: Captain Darling on November 08, 2016, 08:54:12 AM
Hey Matiec,

Re Britsh radar stations from WW 2 the buildings were 'block house' type structures even Nissan style buildings were used the antennas were huge radio style masts not necessarily directly adjacent to the buildings so you can get away without them...scroll down on this site for surviving structures  :)...

]http://coastkid.blogspot.com.au/2013/07/durness-sutherland-sango-bay-home-chain.html] (http://coastkid.blogspot.com.au/2013/07/durness-sutherland-sango-bay-home-chain.html)

Enjoying your Sea Lion campaign...
Title: Re: 1940s Control Tower
Post by: tin shed gamer on November 08, 2016, 09:33:36 AM
This is a subject I've been looking into myself,as I've been trying to come up with the ideal 30's-40's small airfield for pulp and vbcw games.
There are very few suitable in scale models most of which turn up in O gauge railway kits and still require an awful lot of modification to work for gaming.
 
So scratch building is the way to go. The simplest and quickest thing to do is to rescale the generic Airfix one. I'm personally going down the recycled card route ( no surprise there) for a quick fix.
As for railings fastest and strongest version for gaming is to use plastic 'I' beams and wire/ brass rod then paint the I beams as concentrate.

If you do decide to go down the scratch build route and get stuck.feel free to pick my addled brains.
Mark.
Title: Re: 1940s Control Tower
Post by: carlos marighela on November 08, 2016, 01:27:44 PM
I have the Airfix Control tower and had a bash at converting it for 28mm (not as a control tower as it happens).   It's an OK model, nothing brilliant, basically a plastic box with windows and doors. It is possible to enlarge the doors, which are the things that most obviously indicate scale. It's still a pretty titchy structure, which has its pluses and minuses.  Nice in that it has a small footprint but will look pretty silly if you plan on parking a 1/48 Spitfire anywhere near it. The real ones tended to be fairly substantial structures.

Trouble is you would still need to scratch build the external stairs and if you want to make the structure itself a playable item you would need to build out the balcony and build up the wooden room atop it. All in all, you might as well make one from plastic card/foam board/embossed card etc. Remember that many of the pre-war ones were built in brick and they weren't necessarily rendered.

Of course if it's just a bit of set dressing you are after, then it's probably fine. Just plonk it on the far side of the table and it should look the part.
Title: Re: 1940s Control Tower
Post by: manchesterreg on November 08, 2016, 03:31:29 PM
Some good ideas, im looking more for something ready made, as Gout in my right hand (until i got it, never knew you could get Gout in your hand) means im looking for easy stuff to assemble, even my painting has to be outsourced now, had even thought of using a Railway signal box, such as Sarissa makes as a go by Control Tower.
Title: Re: 1940s Control Tower
Post by: tin shed gamer on November 08, 2016, 04:44:37 PM
Okay two options spring to mind but its budget dependant ,Pre made route is more likely to lead you to model railway buildings .Scaledale have a pre made and pre painted HO control tower .
As you mentioned Sarrisa , I'd recommend that you look at this and combined an Adobe or western flat roof building .(I'd post a link but it's refusing to co operate which is more to do with my total lack of keyboard skills than my sculpting  ;D) this is on eBay in 1/48,1/76 in laser cut card.which is often easier to handle than MDF.( airfield control tower ,as a search on eBay will bring it up)
Title: Re: 1940s Control Tower
Post by: manchesterreg on November 08, 2016, 05:24:52 PM
Many Thanks for that!!
Title: Re: 1940s Control Tower
Post by: matiec on November 08, 2016, 06:01:36 PM
Thanks Captain that is a really useful link...my brain as always is now rushing ahead to design and scenario. I had already planned to get a a couple of the sarissa missen type huts they make. I like the grassed over bunker and it is a must for an entrance into an underground section. I know I shouldnt but I do like the idea of the mast ! I'll keep hunting charity shops till the right thing comes up...it will.
Title: Re: 1940s Control Tower
Post by: tin shed gamer on November 08, 2016, 08:31:32 PM
Completely forgot there is a more extensive range in 1/48 and 1/72 card models covering airfields at scale model scenery. The only draw back is these are for printing off then cutting out.But you do get more bang for your buck .if I remember rightly the 1/48 control tower is  around £6.On the plus side they're pre coloured and have colour interior detailing .Not everyone's cup of tea. But might be a better option given the condition of your hand.(as you should be able to get a mate or the Mrs to knock these up in an evening ;))
Mark.
Title: Re: 1940s Control Tower
Post by: manchesterreg on November 08, 2016, 08:55:06 PM
Just had a look at those on modelrailwayscenery.com very nice, cheap too, upscale to 130% and that should be good enough, could stick over boxes or something, thank you for your help, luckiliy some days my hand doesnt feel like its on fire, so maybe able to do it myself.
Title: Re: 1940s Control Tower
Post by: Rob_bresnen on November 09, 2016, 12:16:28 AM
I would look at using this one to convert into a 28mm version of the airfix one grant showed a link to earlier.

http://www.sarissa-precision.com/Factory_-_OfficeWarehouse/p1603368_13760166.aspx


They also make this

http://www.sarissa-precision.com/Radar_Station/p1603368_11845258.aspx
Title: Re: 1940s Control Tower
Post by: Poiter50 on November 09, 2016, 12:21:22 AM
I like that Office/Warehouse piece, very convertible. British Radar in 1940 was very different to the circular type that Sarissa makes. It consisted of tall straight "poles" with long wire/cable stretched between the poles/towers.

I would look at using this one to convert into a 28mm version of the airfix one grant showed a link to earlier.

http://www.sarissa-precision.com/Factory_-_OfficeWarehouse/p1603368_13760166.aspx


They also make this

http://www.sarissa-precision.com/Radar_Station/p1603368_11845258.aspx

Title: Re: 1940s Control Tower
Post by: carlos marighela on November 09, 2016, 06:51:30 AM
You probably want a substantial table if you are planning on a Chain Home radar site complete with towers. The actual items were bloody massive. You best bet, if you want a scaled down version and don't fancy faffing about with plastic rod, is to buy a model electrical transmission tower,or rather towers as Chain Home was set up with multiple towers.  There are a few on the market.

http://fenrisgames.com/shop#!/FGFL02-Electricity-pylon-transmission-tower/p/43841310/category=8583849

http://severnmodels.com/N14-Electricity-Pylon


Of course they weren't typically located anywhere near an RAF airfield.

http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/sites/v/ventnor/

Title: Re: 1940s Control Tower
Post by: matiec on November 09, 2016, 07:33:16 AM
Thanks really useful. My thoughts for a scenario were to have just the edge of the station as an objective for the Germans to blow up. So I could get away with only one of two towers.
Title: Re: 1940s Control Tower
Post by: manchesterreg on November 09, 2016, 04:20:13 PM
Thanks Rob, great idea, having looked at their website for ages, i must have seen it, and never thought of it !
Title: Re: 1940s Control Tower
Post by: S_P on November 09, 2016, 05:51:59 PM
http://www.matakishi.com/wwiigermanbase.htm

A few ideas there.
Title: Re: 1940s Control Tower
Post by: serran on November 09, 2016, 10:16:37 PM
There's a pic at the link below of the Plasticville tower - very slightly modified.

Roderick

http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=94020.msg1160591#msg1160591
Title: Re: 1940s Control Tower
Post by: carlos marighela on November 10, 2016, 01:41:02 AM
Before you throw yourself into purchasing bits of kit which may or may not look anything like an RAF control tower, you might want to take a look at this site. It's probably about as encyclopaedic  as you will get.

http://www.controltowers.co.uk/Tower%20Designs.htm

Plenty of inspiration. You'll notice that there were fairly standard designs but with occasional local variation. Some are quite simple designs, which would be easy either to make yourself or to buy a proxy, off the shelf. None of them look very much like their modern counterparts. Of course that may not matter.
Title: Re: 1940s Control Tower
Post by: carlos marighela on November 10, 2016, 01:42:01 AM
Before you throw yourself into purchasing bits of kit which may or may not look anything like an RAF control tower, you might want to take a look at this site. It's probably about as encyclopaedic  as you will get.

http://www.controltowers.co.uk/Tower%20Designs.htm

Plenty of inspiration. You'll notice that they were fairly  standard Air Ministry designs but with occasional local variation. Some are quite simple designs, which would be easy either to make yourself or to buy a proxy, off the shelf. None of them look very much like their modern counterparts. Of course that may not matter.