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Miniatures Adventure => Pulp => Topic started by: Necros on November 09, 2016, 04:00:19 PM
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Anyone know of any good sources for early 1900's terrain? Something like laser cut wood stackable "rowhome" buildings would be great. I know there's some model railroad stuff out there that would probably be good but I'm looking for something more "wargamery". I'm trying to build a skirmish cityfight board for like around 1930 or so, but I want the buildings to be more modular so I can arrange them in different ways for each game rather than a fixed board. Oh and I'm looking for 28mm scale stuff :)
And while I'm at it how about other stuff, like cars and other things you'd see around town?
Anyone know of any good terrain sources out there for this era?
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Here's a link to my thread on the Chicago Way, hopefully can find something useful through the links to the actual blog :)
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=89581.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=89581.0)
Ivor
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Lots of options if you're into paper models, like the Mean Streets and Mean Sets lines and WorldWorksGames' models.
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Tried Knights of Dice stuff?
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a605/andymac2105/Mobile%20Uploads/DBF56E66-2235-4E1B-8541-AED429773A24_zpswgvhigko.jpg) (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/andymac2105/media/Mobile%20Uploads/DBF56E66-2235-4E1B-8541-AED429773A24_zpswgvhigko.jpg.html)
http://knightsofdice.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=51_52 (http://knightsofdice.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=51_52)
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Maybe you could use some stuff from TTCombat?
http://ttcombat.com/collections/city-scenics/buildings
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The Sarissa CityBlock stuff is quite nice, a bit plainer than some of the more recent lasercut MDF pieces but good and solid.
Here's the CityBlock stuff I built a few years ago for pulp gaming: http://www.warbard.ca/2013/08/04/sarissa-cityblock-buildings-finished/
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Cool thanks. I love the knights of dice stuff. But, do they have interiors? It kinda looks like the sides are just 1 huge piece rather than floors you can lift off .. but it looks great. I think I'm gonna do a mix of those and some of the 4-ground gothic city buildings too
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Just to give you an option you may not of considered.
You could (if you have access to a printer)go for down loadable buildings which you then apply to foam board ,cardboard,or mdf .
These tend to vairy in quality in the same way mdf kits do so you need to take a look around.
A good place to get an idea if this is an option for you take a look at Stoelzels Structures these cost less than your average blister pack.
Mark.
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Do be a bit careful with 4Grounds Gothic City line - it does say all the buildings are in 28mm, but it was made for the Batman Miniatures Game that is 32m. I bought the subway kits for my board and they looked so much bigger than my other 28mm 4Ground buildings that I didn't use them. Disappointing too, they are really neat kits. As are all of the other Gothic City line buildings, but because of the subway difference I didn't take a chance on any of the other ones.
Maybe someone out there has some of the Gothic City line buildings and the Chicago Way buildings and they could put a comparison photo up? Or maybe it's just me lol
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hmm.. thanks for the warning. I think I will be ok though. My minis are going to be more like 30mm than 28, so hopefully they will be a good fit. I need to order enough to get the free shipping so I was going to get 2 or 3 of the tennement kits, and then mix them in with a couple from Knights of Dice, and there's a nice looking 3x3 street matt from urbanmatz.com that I was gonna get too. I have their dirty roads matt and it's pretty nice, but I think the cobblestone streets will be a little too old timey looking for what I want to do.. or was that still pretty common in the 20's and 30's? I was picturing more modern looking asphat.
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Mixed feelings about this thread, happy to see the great information (I had not seen Knights of Dice before), but now, sadly, I see myself $400.00 poorer real soon... :D
On top of that I also just dropped a bunch o cash at TTCombat!
"Oh well the pension fund was just sitting there..."
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I know exactly what you mean Menelduir :D It takes way more wallet restraint then I can usually manage looking around the LAF!
I was in the exact same boat as you Necros; I wasn't sure what my streets should look like. I initially began with a brick/cobblestone street, but after referencing some movies I quickly decided that black asphalt was the way to go. Again though, just one opinion :) Hopefully you'll get some more advice.
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Hopefully you'll get some more advice.
Good point, should mention two things. I too use black asphalt, soon to be dirtied up a bit with grey and brown.
My pavement is really two large plastic sheets 24" by 42". There is a slight rough texture on one side that I figure will dry brush well. I am hosting a game this weekend, and will post pictures then. (kinda have to prep it all first ::))
My other idea is to look at something called "standard dry sheathing" for roofing and other jobs. I have seen some examples that seem sturdy enough and have some nice texture, it might work. It is 3' by 143' and costs under $23. If it works one roll will set me up for life! That will take a trip to home depot to scope out, maybe this Wednesday.
My third idea (yeah I know I said two) is to mix and match, maybe dirt or cobblestone for back alleys, lesser roads and black asphalt for the main routes. Adventurous people could have exposed cobble stone(textured brick card) showing through even on main roads. I guess it depends in part on what type of urban environment you are trying to emulate.
I am getting ready for a Vice Alley campaign so will be posting stuff as I go along, good luck with your project.
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Cool thanks. I love the knights of dice stuff. But, do they have interiors? It kinda looks like the sides are just 1 huge piece rather than floors you can lift off .. but it looks great. I think I'm gonna do a mix of those and some of the 4-ground gothic city buildings too
I only have experience of the theatre and the Chinese restaurant. The theatre was a single level with a lift off roof, but the restaurant split in two and had both levels playable.
Hope that helps?......slightly!
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I think the first wave of Knights of Dice Sentry City has no removable roofs, so no interior gaming. But they learned and the Chinatown stuff has removable roofs and floors. Those are really great kits!
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Cool.. I was definitely planning to get the movie theater one at least. I usually play with 1 floor buildings so now I'm wondering if a 3 or 4 story building would be a pain to play with? Might be easier to use them more as big obstacles? Or something like spend your whole turn to climb up to the roof or a balcony?
So, the asphalt thing.. i was thinking of building my board as modular 12" square tiles.. I have a pet peeve where I hate seeing road (and river) pieces that are higher than the ground around them, I want to have slightly higher sidewalks with driveways and all. How do I do that? My first thought was foam board, but I worry it won't last as long. I don't have any big tools so buying thin sheets of wood to cut to the sizes I want probably won't work either.
Secret weapon makes some nice plastic road tiles, but they're pricey and I have the version with the craters.. and the roads take up almost the whole tile.. good for Warhammer 40k board but not a small 3x3 table. I'm kinda picturing it as one big city block with roads going around the edge, and some alleys and stuff between buildings.
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I would suggest foam board for the sidewalks and put your buildings on bases to match the hight. Foam board is quite resilient. Cork is an alternative and isn't too hard to cut. Alternatively there are some pre-formed side walks available.
This thread might give you some ideas:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=90561.45
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On top of that I also just dropped a bunch o cash at TTCombat!
"Oh well the pension fund was just sitting there..."
Well, those prices just make you load up the shopping cart, right...? ;)
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Oh, by the way - I am going to get some of this for my cityscapes (as soon as I have a little air in the budget - probably after Christmas), does away with the sidewalk issue:
http://www.multiversegamingterrain.com/street-tiles-c-28_29_31.html
Should be fine for whatever size between 25mm and 32 mm models. Note that they have an option for broad 'avenues'!
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That spectre board looks great, maybe I'll try that with the foam board. I actually thought about ripping the paper off one end of the board before so it's just foam on top but I was afraid it would come off uneven and look bad. What I'd really like to do is make a modular board with 12" squares that I can arrange in different ways. Or even 6" squares for more options, but I think that would be a nightmare to set up on game night. I assume that foam will get eaten up by spray paint?
Right now I'm waiting for black friday to see if the secret weapon tiles go on sale. I liked the ruined road tiles I got, the clean ones would be good and also would fit the cratered ruined tiles so I could do bigger sci fi boards too. But it's still pricey so I'm still leaning more toward the homemade option.
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That Secret Weapon stuff looks great, but, yes, on the pricey side. I'll stick with the Versatiles, they add up to half the price per square foot for the bundle.
Looking forward to see what you end up doing, though!
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TT Combat is very well done, affordable and the miniatures can be played inside! Almost PERFECT, IMHO! ;)
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I tested the roofing material I mentioned before, follow the link to more picks and comments.
The stuff does have some texture, is strong and lies flat. Hopefully you can get a sense of it form my pictures, those present seemed to appreciate the effect!
Also included are some shots of my downtown terrain, mostly Sarissa, some TT Combat, and one foam building. (Zitherdes)
http://menelduir.blogspot.ca/2016/11/pulp-alley-vice-alley-test-run.html#more (http://menelduir.blogspot.ca/2016/11/pulp-alley-vice-alley-test-run.html#more)
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I really like your city terrain,
well done.
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I'll second the multiverse versitiles. Although I don't own any, I do own several kits from multiverse gaming and they are probably the best kits I own.
A quick run down of my experience with the different mdf terrain makers whose products I own...
Multiverse gaming
Very nice kits indeed, all except the magnatowers have accessible interior floors, though these are undetailed. Kits make extensive use of white board (thick card) to add some depth to the texture and hide any unsightly joints & pegs.
Probably my favourite manufacturer so far, only real issue i have with them is the lack of holes in floors for stairwells.
Sarrissa precision
The city block range is nice if a little too uniform and doesn't use card as multiverse does. Though their gas lamp alley line does. Also their more recent kits in the retro America & retail lines have both card detailing and interior detail Inc rooms.
All in all a very nice range that keeps getting better with each release.
Again though, has the same problem as multiverse in the no holes for stairs issue.
Tt combat
Definitely the cheapest option, so if you're building a table on a budget, then look no further. Most of the range (barring some of their larger kits) have accessible interiors and most have cutaways for staircases (which they also sell) though it's only there more recent kits that make use of card for texture depth.
Also worthy of note here is they have started producing resin litter and furniture, that I can't recommend enough, regardless of which brand's you use for buildings.
Sally 4th
The terra Blocks range is great for making modular interiors from and they offer a great range of interior & street furniture to kit your buildings/streets out with. I'm currently putting together a urban blocks mall (minus the base board intended for zombicide) to use on my zpoc board and am really impressed with the kit...
Just wish they'd release a corner section so I could vary up the layout.
One thing that has really impressed me with the range is the colour print outs they come with (such as snack racks for inside their vending machines) and glazed windows, must for any big store fronts.
Not had a chance to work with any knights of dice or 4ground kits yet but i know KoDs sentry city and 4grounds gothic city are just outer (all be it very sexy) shell.
Hope this helps, i can rant about mdf terrain all day ;D
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Zombie Ste, great insights, thank you very much for sharing! ;)
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(http://wargamesbuildings.co.uk/WebRoot/Namesco/Shops/950003459/5761/0CDD/1A4B/A560/4998/C0A8/190E/30D7/Zombie_Shopping_Mall_9_m.jpg)
This is our shopping Mall corner. We have lots more planned for shopping mall / urban boards next year.
(http://wargamesbuildings.co.uk/WebRoot/Namesco/Shops/950003459/MediaGallery/Categories/TerraBlocks/TerraBlock_Shopping_Mall/28mm_shopping_mall_10.jpg)
The idea with the base boards is if you do not want the zombicide style crossings you turn the board over and glue the pavement on the other side, then you just have plain road.
Full details : http://wargamesbuildings.co.uk/epages/950003459.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/950003459/Categories/TerraBlocks/TerraBlock_Urban_Blocks (http://wargamesbuildings.co.uk/epages/950003459.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/950003459/Categories/TerraBlocks/TerraBlock_Urban_Blocks)