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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Predatorpt on November 13, 2016, 11:17:12 AM
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Visually it's looking very good! Lots of inspirational imagery there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4VmJcZR0Yg
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Well, that looks rather bloody good :D
Suitable inspiration as well 8)
cheers
James
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Looks great.
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Never read them and Wikipedia swirled my thoughts this morning before coffee. I wonder which version this might most be like. Not that I have read/watched any of the media and could tell...
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Even if the movie isn't great, I can't argue with Scarlett in a bodysuit for half the film. I'll see it. :-I
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Looks very promising! Thanks for sharing! :o 8)
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Hmmmm. Yet to be convinced being quite a die hard fan of Ghost in the Shell.
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Yeah, that looks good. I think I'll actually see it on a big screen when it's released.
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Looks more promising than I first hoped, visuals looking spot on, just need to see how much of the story they keep in
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Agree, looks awesome. Music choices were interesting - not sure if it's a good match yet or not.
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A lot of scenes taken verbatim from the Anime there. Looks good but how much is likely to end up being just a live action carbon copy?
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Original was thoughtful (though with some goofy bits) about politics and the effects of cybernetics. But this is Hollywood we're talking about. Notice near the end where they said something about stealing your memories from you? Kusanagi went from a morally grey willing participant to an amnesiac victim of "the system".
I guarantee it'll be more like the Resident Evil or Ultraviolet movies.
Not impressed.
Also, "This is Major". Did they think that was her name or something?
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Indeed. Looks nice. I will get to see it .... some day. ;-)
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I'm stoked! I think it will be a cool watch with lots of eye candy and inspiration for scenery and miniatures.
Will it be a solid translation from the manga/anime...probably not. Will it be a good movie...maybe. Will it look terrific...HELL YEAH! 8)
*EDIT*
A nice read about the movie trailer here:
https://www.neondystopia.com/cyberpunk-movies-anime/neon-dystopia-reacts-to-the-ghost-in-the-shell-trailer/
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I like the visuals and the actions scenes look really well done. I'm not impressed with Johansson's acting ability and I'll reserve judgment on the storyline until we know more.
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But let's face it...to do a good acting performance of the Major one needs hardly any expression. I love the anime, but the Major has an extremely boring face throughout the episodes. Not that much emotion and a bit flat (note: not her personality or story line! Just her face...)
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Going to see this one for sure! 8)
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Scarlett Johansson doing what see does best. And practically naked. Must see. ;)
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The Major's anime personality is rather bland in the movie, in Stand Alone Complex series she has more of a joking side (such as making Bato knock himself out by hacking his arm), in the original manga (comic) shes a rather comical character.
The thing that bugs me about the way people are bitching about this movie, is that they are just focusing solely on the 90's anime movie, and not taking in to account we have had 4 different interpretations of Ghost in the Shell. Manga, Movie, Stand Alone Complex and the newest Arise. So for me, this movie sits in quite nicely as just another interpretation.
Also the Majors background is constantly being altered as well :/
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If they were going to do something interesting with it, that would be fine. But it looks to be half soulless imitation and half Hollywood formula. I could be wrong about that sure, but I got a 99/100 record on spotting pointless boring movies.
I mean, I'm the target audience for this and as far as I'm concerned they're doing everything wrong.
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Also, "This is Major". Did they think that was her name or something?
That. If they can't stick with an iconic character's actual name, I'm gonna be bummed.
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Er....
At work, police(wo)men identify ourselves by rank or assigment. And she's at work. So, actually, they got that right.
The film seems to be very Motoko-centric, though. That's what worries me.
Also, no tachikomas? :'(
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Also, no tachikomas? :'(
It's only trailer one, hopefully they kept some good bits out ready for the next one :)
cheers
James
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OOoo - who cares how good it'll be - think of all the new merchandise!
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If there are Tachikomas in the film and they turn out as good as those in the animated films, I hope that they make some nice toys... I would dearly love to have a few units of Tach/Uchicomas for my 28mm armies :)
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What I'm really hoping for is that this will set a 3rd series of SAC in motion - that would be awesome! :o
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I think this look like a fun movie. I'm pretty sure it will be on my watch list.
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Looks good to me so far. GitS is probably in my top five favorite films.
I think Scarlett is a very 'flat' actress emotionally, and in this movie, will be just right for the role.
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And here's the new trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRkb1X9ovI4
The story is going to be a mess. Like someone said in one of the groups in FB:
"So they are combining the original movie, both seasons of stand alone complex (there is an interview where the director talks about the laughing man) and some elements of innocence in there too?
this will be either a convoluted train wreck or a miraculous masterpiece."
But I still love the visuals. And we get a glimpse of a Tachikoma ;)
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Wow.
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Which version had something of an origin story for Kusangi? 2nd gig? Not really the interesting part of her character but hey, Hollywood needs to go through an origin story before characters are allowed to do anything else...
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Which version had something of an origin story for Kusangi? 2nd gig? Not really the interesting part of her character but hey, Hollywood needs to go through an origin story before characters are allowed to do anything else...
Interesting, I was really interested in the story behind Kusanagi's cyberization.
Can't wait to see this :)
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2nd gig has part of her background story - .Kusangi's labyrinth - affection.. Where she and Kuze are childhood friends, both survivors of some accident or other and early full prosthetics.
I don't think it's so much a tachikoma we see as a think tank. I'm thinking they've rehashed part of the first movie where the Major plays off against a think tank with the puppet master. The trailer seems to show a mash up of various bits. I do wish they'd do something original rather than rehashing older stuff (and perhaps buggering up completely), even if they didn't follow on from the high tide mark of the stand alone series.
Do we also see a goof with Batou without his cyber eyes whilst driving the car asking about Kusangi's past? :/
EDIT: just found link to Kusangi's background story from SACS 2nd gig:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5QN3R4cupw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5QN3R4cupw)
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I won a contest and got to see the movie before general release, and on IMAX ;)
(http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj93/predatorpt/Forums/17554351_10155133118277521_3006344274828190360_n_zpstbe9a5t1.jpg)
I really enjoyed it even if the story is a mix various sources. Visually it's the best cyberpunk movie since Blade Runner - lots of inspiration there :-*
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Even if the movie isn't great, I can't argue with Scarlett in a bodysuit for half the film. I'll see it. :-I
+1!!! 8)
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Congrats on the win there. I'm looking forward to seeing it soon.
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Four chaps from work and myself going to see this Saturday. I saw the cartoon and thought the story was OK, I hope they haven't dumbed it down for this version.
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Not really the interesting part of her character but hey, Hollywood needs to go through an origin story before characters are allowed to do anything else...
Maybe but as the majority of dollars to encourage a sequel are going to come from people like me, who don't do manga/anime and have no idea what this is about, then there has to be elements of origin there to get me to buy-in.
A couple of hours of Scarjo in a bodysuit is not to be sniffed at, but is nothing new either and there's no Iron Man for the levity breaks.
I'm clueless (sort of) but up to seeing it. :)
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Maybe but as the majority of dollars to encourage a sequel are going to come from people like me, who don't do manga/anime and have no idea what this is about, then there has to be elements of origin there to get me to buy-in.
My comment was just in regards to what appears, from the trailers, to be the story of the new film - about how her previous life was 'stolen'. In the original film, her previous life is largely irrelevant; she's just a spec-ops officer with a fully cybernetic body and has had one since childhood. What's interesting is what she's becoming. Backstory is not required to enjoy the first film.
My fear is that the new film is basically Robocop. I might be totally wrong mind you, but I'm not going in with high hopes.
Even when the Major's life is focused on more closely in the TV series, I reckon there's something entirely more tragic and interesting about a childhood and adolescence with a cybernetic body, than waking up in one as an adult (if that is indeed the plot, which is also the plot of Robocop...).
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My fear is that the new film is basically Robocop. I might be totally wrong mind you, but I'm not going in with high hopes.
Even when the Major's life is focused on more closely in the TV series, I reckon there's something entirely more tragic and interesting about a childhood and adolescence with a cybernetic body, than waking up in one as an adult (if that is indeed the plot, which is also the plot of Robocop...).
Ok, NOW I am very afraid! :o
But... I guess ScarJo with that bodysuit and killing lots of mooks in shockingly hideous ways is enough to save almost any movie... even if she's not a good actress enough to convince as a Japanese girl!
;)
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Just got back from watching Ghost....WOW.... most stunning film that i seen and grabbed me. Music was powerful, So much to look at with each frame. I`m guessing first cyberpunk film from blade runner ? . If you asked which is best.... its 2 different beasts... blade runner is slow and dark, run down feeling with just humans 99% of the time.Ghost is a neon world stuck on dirt and grime with bad guys and everybody with cyber tech added too them. you never know what you may come up against in a battle. Bladerunner 2 needs to have something special in its rain coat to fight this beast off.... Amazing world...........
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Loved the design, love the chap playing Aramarki - despised pretty much everything else unfortunately much to the great annoyance of my wife who thought it was okay
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I'm gonna try and see this Monday at 13:00 crewe Odeon.
now to avoid this topic and any others until then lol
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My comment was just in regards to what appears, from the trailers, to be the story of the new film - about how her previous life was 'stolen'. In the original film, her previous life is largely irrelevant; she's just a spec-ops officer with a fully cybernetic body and has had one since childhood. What's interesting is what she's becoming. Backstory is not required to enjoy the first film.
My fear is that the new film is basically Robocop. I might be totally wrong mind you, but I'm not going in with high hopes.
I just got back from seeing this. Yep, it was Robocop. DISAPPOINTED!! :-[
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I just got back from seeing this. Yep, it was Robocop. DISAPPOINTED!! :-[
Noooooooooooo!
Oh well. I'd still like to see it, just for the visuals.
Why does everything have to have an origins story? Imagine if the Alien franchise had started with Prometheus instead of Alien!
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After a day to think about it, I am even more disappointed today. A great opportunity lost. I could explain why I don't like it in more detail, but I'll wait until more folks have seen it.
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Loved the design, love the chap playing Aramarki - despised pretty much everything else unfortunately much to the great annoyance of my wife who thought it was okay
Beat Takeshi definitely was the best part, and I loved the fact that he was speaking Japanese while everybody else talked back in English.
but I have to agree that everything else wasn't great, my expectations were low going in so I wasn't too disappointed but the Anime, both the movies and the series are leagues ahead of this, and I'd recommend anyone that is interested to go watch those instead, especially Innocence is a stand out Film
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In cinema now waiting. SO SHUT UP! lol
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Just finished watching...incredible... I'm shaking.
And Aramaki...holy shit
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Just finished watching...incredible... I'm shaking.
And Aramaki...holy shit
So... you liked it?
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So... you liked it?
Liked?... No...I LOVED IT
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Saw it last weekend and I loved it. Not sure what people are so annoyed at. Not sure I care either. I've seen far worse in my tIme.
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Saw it last weekend and I loved it. Not sure what people are so annoyed at. Not sure I care either. I've seen far worse in my tIme.
It's just not the film it should have been. They took everything important out of the story and just made it about Kusenagi's poor little lost childhood. And the Hacker, they reduced his character and made him a crippled little pathetic only motivated by revenge. So two-dimensional and disappointing. And it was not explained, with her doctor dead who repaired her body in the end? In the cartoon her body was beyond repair and Bateu obtained the Kusenagi/Hacker entity with a different black market body.
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I liked it a lot, especially visually. The cyberpunk aesthetic was presented very well. I didn't expect the complexity and thoughtfulness of the original to carry over to a Hollywood version, so no big disappointment here.
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I've seen the anime and would not expect to get the same experience as watching the new film.
I will probably go and see it, just for the tech and the ambience. The story isn't hugely important to me.
For those who have seen the film, are there Tachikomas in it?
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I've seen the anime and would not expect to get the same experience as watching the new film.
I will probably go and see it, just for the tech and the ambience. The story isn't hugely important to me.
For those who have seen the film, are there Tachikomas in it?
No, just the spider tank.
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Saw it yesterday and loved it. First 2/3 were the strongest part and DAAAAAAMN I loved the visuals. Spot on! Can't wait for the sequals :-*
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No, just the spider tank.
That's a shame :( ... I'd have love to have seen Tachikomas in the film... but I guess the spider tank is a start.
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Saw it yesterday and loved it. First 2/3 were the strongest part and DAAAAAAMN I loved the visuals. Spot on! Can't wait for the sequals :-*
A sequel doesn't seem to be likely since the movie is underperforming at the box office :?
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I enjoyed it. If it isn't like your favorite version of the comic or cartoon, that's okay. I think the movie was better than the latest cartoon reboot, but not as good as SAC. This is like the fifth version of the characters and setting. I would be happy to see a sequel.
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It was okay.
Johansson was fine, her and her stunt doubles (is it like Anthony Hopkins and his best mate?) performed admirably.
Only one piece of casting jolted, Togusa was a bit old.
I suspect the leading cause of death is road traffic accidents caused by holo adverts, especially those fish at head height.
I think I would like to see it again, like The Force Awakens I watched it hoping it was not going to disappoint, I would like to just watch it.
Funniest bit, spot the kettle whistling without any visible kettle whistle or compatible spout.
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As an action it's good, but for a ghost in the shell fan, it's a wee bit dumbed down and disappointing. Why they had to change Major Kusanagi's background story I don't know. They also seem to have taken bits of many of the different films/series and mixed them together. Story wise it fits best with the Ghost in the Shell Arise series of films, with a younger less competent Major. I also felt I missed some of the philosophical discussion of what it means to be human, when you're a cyborg, understanding of social mechanics, and the like, that I've come to expect from the Stand Alone Complex series.
Scarlet Johanson I felt to be a bit lack lustre, out shone by Pilou Asbæk as Batou, and certainly outshone by Julianne Binoche and Takeshi Kitano (who is awesome as Aramaki - "never send hares to catch on old fox" - best line in the film). The effects are certainly up to scratch and are worth watching.
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I expected negative reactions from others since announced. Still enjoyed the movie in spite of it.
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I thought the film was really great in a lot of ways. It made for a fun night out.
Why does everything have to have an origins story?
So very true. The existing franchise manages to develop interesting stories without smashing everything - so it's no wonder this reboot now underperforms. Just about everyone I know who was once excited about the idea steered away from it... A shame for such a well executed and visually pleasing film.
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I thought the film was really great in a lot of ways. It made for a fun night out.
So very true. The existing franchise manages to develop interesting stories without smashing everything - so it's no wonder this reboot now underperforms. Just about everyone I know who was once excited about the idea steered away from it... A shame for such a well executed and visually pleasing film.
Heard a rumor that the origin story was essentially pushed into it due to the people who flipped out about casting choices...
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I can see how long time fans may be a bit disappointed that it was an origin story, but come on those visuals were outstanding. If you are into cyberpunk at all go see it regardless of your feelings on the story.
My favourite scene being the Yakuza gangers in the club, so much cool inspiration for any Cyberpunk project. The production design was spot on. It is the kind of movie which I think will be worth rewatching multiple times, the art team, set designers etc. really put a lot of effort it. It actually reminded me of the underrated Total Recall remake (a movie which I love as a stand alone movie) - that also has amazing world building and attention to detail.
Which reminds me, must get on with my Deus-Ex project haha
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I know I'll probably be miffing off a lot of hardcore fans later on in this post, but that can't be helped...
In hindsight, I actually did see the original Ghost in the Shell anime back in the nineties, but to my embarrassment, I hardly remember seeing it back then. It was only when I watched it on Youtube after seeing the live action one in the theater, that some vague recollections came to me.
But this meant that I was (nearly) unbiased when I went to see it with my friends. I was visually blown away by it and it sits firmly up there for me as one of the best cyberpunk (visual) references, together with Blade Runner, Strange Days, Existenz, Videodrome, Dredd and the Total Recalls (and maybe Gamer?).
Not knowing the original stories (not having read the manga's or remembering the anime's) obviously helped a lot in appreciating the movie as a whole. And I don't just mean the visuals; the story line was compelling too (not better or worse than many other movies), and I thoroughly enjoyed the entire experience.
When the credits rolled, I heard the many laments of hardcore fans around me and basically shrugged them off; I was clueless to its relation to much of the existing canon. So; like I mentioned, I watched the original afterwards, just so I could join in on the discussion.
And man; was I underwhelmed...
Seriously. It was enjoyable, don't get me wrong, but the whole philosophical undertones that many have waxed on about were just rather meh to me. Maybe it's because I've read, played and seen so much on this very theme, I don't know, but I do know that it has been done before, after and most of all; better. To be honest, (and this is not the anime/manga's fault, but rather the fanboy's), I find that it's been blown up to near mythical proportions, which to me comes across as pretentious, rather than thought provoking. (Hey; I did warn you at the start of my post... ;D )
I discussed this with a friend who really is a hardcore fan of the franchise, and the consensus was that back in the nineties, not having absorbed so much other material, the original anime must have been a true revelation to teenage minds. And over time, this has made the movie grow to a status beyond its actual scope, mostly due to the fans putting it on a pedestal.
But of course this also made the life action movie come about.
And it's not that I cannot relate; I was a true Transformers fan back in the day; cartoons, comics and toys, you name it. So when I heard a live action movie was being made with this IP, I was thrilled beyond sanity. But when the actual Michael Bay product was released, my disappointment almost reached the nerd-rage threshold. It was so untrue to my cherished memories and personal vision of how it should look, I could not be anything but massively disappointed.
So I take it, it was much the same for all the GitS fans out there.
But all in all, it is a thoroughly enjoyable movie in its own right, and even though I have mixed feelings about the whole IP milking sequel thing, I certainly would not mind seeing another live action romp in the GitS universe...
Disclaimer: I do have to agree with the fanboys on one thing though; the theme played during the 'birth' in the anime, should have been played in the same scene, as opposed to the end credits. It clearly belongs there...
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I thought the movie was disappointing.
Visuals, effects and casts were fine, but the story was a shallow, dumbed down piece of penny-novel melodrama that had next to nothing to do with the original story. It was simply something to bolt a few splendid scenes onto that weren't very creative to begin with because they were practically copied from the book. They even ripped one from Akira...
Given the excellent story of the original manga, using some kidnapped and abused kids scenario instead is incomprehensible. It is certainly not that the story can't be put into movie. They didn't even try to.
A missed opportunity if ever I saw one.
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I have watched the anime but not in many years.
I saw the movie in IMAX which makes even terrible films a fairly fun expereince, But i honestly came away really impressed with the whole thing. The bits of the anime i remember where all in there, and i never felt like i was obviously missing any big references or nods to camera which is a plus for me.
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I have watched the anime but not in many years.
I saw the movie in IMAX which makes even terrible films a fairly fun expereince, But i honestly came away really impressed with the whole thing. The bits of the anime i remember where all in there, and i never felt like i was obviously missing any big references or nods to camera which is a plus for me.
Then if I were you, I would read the comic. You will not find anything familiar there, except the cast and a few scenes. But there's a whole new story awaiting you :)
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@Daeothar: excellent writeup and 100% how I feel about the movie. 8)