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Title: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Argonor on November 28, 2016, 03:05:14 PM

Just stumbled on this, soon to be released:

(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14907168_543844129148343_4798051832232858977_n.jpg?oh=1fecad83ddfd4c11bfddeacc93a709f6&oe=58C2DA3B)

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Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: OSHIROmodels on November 28, 2016, 03:11:00 PM
Saw this a while back and it's one of the very few mdf kits that I like.

cheers

James
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Argonor on November 28, 2016, 03:23:25 PM
Most sci-fi mdf kits have a certain simplistic 'brutalism' to them, not very fitting for the Star Wars universe, or other settings making excessive use of fiddly designs in their aesthetics, but the guy (guys?) at Miniature Scenery seem(s) to have found the key to softer designs (also note the 'Space Elves' flyers/vehicles (curvy green pointy things) recently posted on their FB page).
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Andym on November 28, 2016, 03:42:37 PM
The only thing I'm not sure on is the cockpit! :?

I've had my eye on a lot of their stuff recently. They have a really nice sci fi table set-up I like a lot. I'm even using it for inspiration for my own sci-fi table. The trucks cool too....

(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a605/andymac2105/Mobile%20Uploads/D53E042F-29B6-4478-90FE-9A0C2F59D725_zpsnxqek96g.jpg) (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/andymac2105/media/Mobile%20Uploads/D53E042F-29B6-4478-90FE-9A0C2F59D725_zpsnxqek96g.jpg.html)

(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a605/andymac2105/Mobile%20Uploads/D9B7C3ED-5B83-4D29-B7C2-787EFE2FE8A9_zpsgxysszk8.jpg) (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/andymac2105/media/Mobile%20Uploads/D9B7C3ED-5B83-4D29-B7C2-787EFE2FE8A9_zpsgxysszk8.jpg.html)
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Argonor on November 28, 2016, 06:03:01 PM
The only thing I'm not sure on is the cockpit! :?

I don't think we have seen the finished version, yet. It should come with full interiors. How they are going to do the 'windshield'/tip I don't know.
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: eilif on November 28, 2016, 06:05:25 PM
it's one of the very few mdf kits that I like.

I feel exactly the same way.  There's so few MDF kits that don't immediately look like an MDF puzzle which is an aesthetic I really do not like.  This one is particularly nice.
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: area23 on November 28, 2016, 06:09:54 PM
Han Solo!
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: uti long smile on November 28, 2016, 07:07:51 PM
That looks pretty good.
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: gamer Mac on November 28, 2016, 07:28:34 PM
Any links to more pics?
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Argonor on November 28, 2016, 08:22:56 PM
Any links to more pics?

Google search:

https://www.google.dk/search?q=miniature+scenery+peregrine&rlz=1C1AVNA_enDK578DK579&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=638&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjs89bRo8zQAhXBECwKHXEHB4wQsAQIHA
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: gamer Mac on November 28, 2016, 08:54:43 PM
Looks great :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
 thanks
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Mason on November 28, 2016, 09:24:13 PM
I like that.
A lot!
 :-* :-*

Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: manic _miner on November 28, 2016, 10:14:18 PM
 I am on with one of there building kits now.They do some really nice stuff.
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: huesped on November 28, 2016, 10:17:45 PM
yepp, i kept watching its different design stages..... let's see if it's affordable the full version with interior parts.....
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Ajsalium on November 28, 2016, 10:25:09 PM
What a piece of junk.
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Westfalia Chris on November 28, 2016, 10:45:32 PM
What a piece of junk.

But she makes .5 past lightspeed!  lol

Being laser-cut and all.
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: gamer Mac on November 29, 2016, 12:02:58 AM
This looks great
(http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq70/Mousemuffins1/CNC%20miniature%20scenery/freighter/GHMMYD_zpspd9qpzra.jpg)
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Major_Gilbear on November 29, 2016, 09:05:28 AM
I have to say that I really like it!

I also really like the skyscraper buildings too though. Shame it's fairly expensive to buy in the UK (at least, every time I've looked it has been).  :?
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: blacksoilbill on November 29, 2016, 10:01:20 AM
Miniature Scenery do some very clever stuff. I've got their 'helicopter gunship' which is a very clever model for mdf. Very much looking forward to this: apparently it's going to be out before Christmas. Just need to decide which version to get!
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Argonor on November 29, 2016, 07:26:33 PM
What a piece of junk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrx24jofi0w
lol

Shame it's fairly expensive to buy in the UK (at least, every time I've looked it has been).  :?

Is there a UK source for it?
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Suber on November 29, 2016, 09:21:12 PM
What a beauty. I need it so much! :-*
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Daeothar on December 02, 2016, 02:16:59 PM
 :o

IT MUST BE MINE!

So shut up and take my money already...  :D

That is one cracking kit. I've got three of their droppods which I got at a bargain years ago. Those were nice, but I must say, they've come a very long way in their designs.

Of course one will have to work around some of the more obvious MDF traps, such as changing the gubbins in the access wells for some finer detailed stuff (model kit parts). And the airlock in the back will have to be changed into a round one of course. I still have an MPC Millennium Falcon kit lying around which could share some its parts with this little fellow. I think that would be a good match-up...

Can't wait to see it released. here's to hoping it will be affordable enough... ::)
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Predatorpt on December 16, 2016, 02:45:13 PM
It's available right now:

http://miniaturescenery.com/ProductPage.asp?CODE=PEREGRINE

€155 plus shipping  >:(
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Argonor on December 16, 2016, 03:02:56 PM
That is simply too steep for mdf and cardboard. And what is that nonsense about 1000 pieces? Make a model available, earn good money for years to come. Sound business model. Limited run of a model that you have already spent the hours designing? Not so sound in my book.
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Malebolgia on December 16, 2016, 03:13:29 PM
I think they mean the kit comes with almost 1000 pieces for assembly ;)
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: OSHIROmodels on December 16, 2016, 03:15:54 PM
I honestly don't think that's a bad price but I'm sure they won't get many sales.

A shame as it looks to be a very well thought out kit.

cheers

James
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Elbows on December 16, 2016, 03:20:08 PM
It's a great looking piece and I think the price is in line with what I would expect.  MDF kits are pretty easy to price out.  The more pieces and details = more cut distance.  The more cut distance, the more time on the laser machine, so, higher price.  Manufacturers want $X/hour from their machines.  So most productions are calculated that way.

I doubt they'll be selling many though. The nice thing about MDF kits though is they can be print-to-order effectively.  No real overhead outside of the time spent designing.  They're not casting several hundred and hoping they sell them.  It's one the main attractions to MDF for many manufacturers.
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: gamer Mac on December 16, 2016, 03:32:12 PM
If I ever have a spare £200 it will be first on my list
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: The_Beast on December 16, 2016, 03:55:00 PM
If I ever have a spare £200 it will be first on my list

Did you run the numbers on the site? It's only £113,38. (You'll have to forgive my colonial ways; we normally put a point, not a comma, in the price. Hope I did it right.)

It's an amount to cause pause, but only about half your quote, WITH shippage.

Doug

Edit: And when you do, take care. I ran the numbers to the US in dollars, then switched to UK and pounds, and didn't notice the cart had doubled the order. I was one confused hombre for a second!
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Duke Donald on December 16, 2016, 05:08:20 PM
That's astonishing !!! And borderline tempting.

That said, I'm not sure I would enjoy putting it together. Given my limited, but fairly miserable, prior experience with MDF kits.
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: gamer Mac on December 16, 2016, 05:22:47 PM
Never ran the numbers on my phone will check later on I was imagining shipping would cost a fair bit, how heavy is all that wood?
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: dieselmonkey on December 16, 2016, 06:07:47 PM
I like it. As a self confessed spaceship-oholic, I'm going to have to pick one up for my RT background planet.
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Andym on December 17, 2016, 08:16:49 AM
It works out at about £130. Still seems quite expensive. But. Suppose you can't argue with the detail he's put in!
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: dwartist on December 17, 2016, 02:51:37 PM
Very tempted...
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Suber on December 17, 2016, 04:19:45 PM
Out of reach for my budget :'(, but I wouldn't say it's overpriced at all. It's such a beauty!
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: eilif on December 17, 2016, 04:51:17 PM
Probably worth it to some folks, but $170 USD is way too steep for my blood and as nicely disguised as they've tried to be there are still many telltale chunky edges and squared parts.  

Will a version be available with a less detailed interior?  The kind of interior detailing that looks pretty good on this model adds alot of expsense becase it takes ALOT of parts to acomplish and takes alot more time to cut.  
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Elbows on December 17, 2016, 05:13:14 PM
^I had actually thought "that'd be a neat idea to have one with and without interiors..." as a pricing option.
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Argonor on December 17, 2016, 06:17:15 PM
^I had actually thought "that'd be a neat idea to have one with and without interiors..." as a pricing option.

I think they have already stated that they are going to do a version without interiors, after the full version was completed.
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Rhelyk on December 18, 2016, 02:06:12 AM
Yeah, these are designed by a guy going by the name Mousemuffins. Miniature Scenery hired him on to engineer all the newer laser cut kits when they switched from CNC routered MDF to laser cut and he's pretty much the first in the industry to try things like making vehicles out of MDF, he's kind of a crazy inventor that they let go to town with whatever he wants because he just comes up with unique and inventive ways of making things you would never think could be made of MDF. So all of the laser scenery kits and vehicles have been his design, and this specific freighter has been his dream project that he has jokingly referred to as the "You're-Drunk-MouseMuffins,-Go-Home version", so if you see "YDMMGH" acrnym around, that's why :D A lot of these projects are things he designs for himself and his boss is cool enough to throw it up on their store and see how it sells.

He also has 2 more designs coming out, one with interior but without a lot of the additional paneling details and one without the paneling and without an interior. No price given for the other 2 designs yet, but they are coming

(http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq70/Mousemuffins1/CNC%20miniature%20scenery/freighter/terrain_zpsugo29jxx.jpg) (http://s434.photobucket.com/user/Mousemuffins1/media/CNC%20miniature%20scenery/freighter/terrain_zpsugo29jxx.jpg.html)

(http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq70/Mousemuffins1/CNC%20miniature%20scenery/freighter/Gamer_zpsgjtg4asu.jpg) (http://s434.photobucket.com/user/Mousemuffins1/media/CNC%20miniature%20scenery/freighter/Gamer_zpsgjtg4asu.jpg.html)
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: eilif on December 18, 2016, 02:12:41 AM
Projects like this make me think about why multimedia should be the future of cutter produced models.  A kit combining MDF for structure, card for paneling and a plastic tube for details would probably be cheaper over all, lighter to ship and more realistic looking.
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Froggy the Great on December 18, 2016, 02:44:18 AM
What scale is this?  I'm assuming 28mm, but we all know what happens when you assume.
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Elbows on December 18, 2016, 02:47:05 AM
Projects like this make me think about why multimedia should be the future of cutter produced models.  A kit combining MDF for structure, card for paneling and a plastic tube for details would probably be cheaper over all, lighter to ship and more realistic looking.

I'm waiting for someone to combine MDF with...say...resin, or whatever.  Imagine something like a Thunderhawk from Forge World for 40K.  No reason the large panels shouldn't be MDF etc. 
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: eilif on December 18, 2016, 03:10:51 PM
I'm waiting for someone to combine MDF with...say...resin, or whatever.  Imagine something like a Thunderhawk from Forge World for 40K.  No reason the large panels shouldn't be MDF etc. 

That would probably be ideal.  It does seem though that companies doing MDF and card do seem to be shying away from getting involved with resin casting.  I don't have any personal experience, but compared to cutters, resin casting seems to be quite labor intensive.
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Elbows on December 18, 2016, 03:13:28 PM
I can understand why...large resin models look like a tremendous pain in the ass.  Maybe 3D components mixed with MDF etc.  Who knows.  I think there are some hybrid options which could work out pretty well.
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Dentatus on December 18, 2016, 03:16:14 PM
Two Words: "1,000 pieces."  o_o  (OK it's actually a number and one word but still...)

Gorgeous, genius kit but I'll take one sans interior, please.

Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: blacksoilbill on December 22, 2016, 12:00:16 PM
I may have caved! Silly money, but my (feeble) excuse is that I don't have to pay the kind of postage most of you do.
(http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo233/blacksoilbill/PC220098JPG.jpg)
I plan to post build updates on the blog - I think this will be a long-term project. http://preacherbyday.blogspot.com.au/search/label/Peregrine%20project
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Daeothar on December 22, 2016, 12:11:38 PM
Lucky git! I'm jealous, because I would really like to build one too.

I'll be keeping an eye on your progress and be living vicariously through you for the duration... :D
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Dentatus on December 22, 2016, 01:06:37 PM
Whoa.  o_o

I shall keep you in my prayers, blacksoilbill.
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Dr. Zombie on December 22, 2016, 01:09:23 PM
It is a nice looking kit. But I would fear for my sanity if I had to put that together and than paint it.

I have precious few sanity points left as it is. I cannot go wasting them on something like this - or could I...?
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: OSHIROmodels on December 22, 2016, 01:48:30 PM
I suppose the main question is, what are the plans like?

cheers

James
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: blacksoilbill on December 22, 2016, 02:16:38 PM
Thanks guys! I find this sort of thing oddly therapeutic. Something about wood and pva that I don't get with plastic kits. James, instructions are here: https://www.miniaturescenery.com/Public/Instructions/PEREGRINE.pdf
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: zemjw on December 22, 2016, 02:27:57 PM
I have some of their fork lift trucks that I still haven't figured out how to put together.

Just looking at that makes me want to hide under a desk, rocking slowly back and forth and wimpering quietly to myself  lol

Best of luck o_o
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: OSHIROmodels on December 22, 2016, 03:04:12 PM
Thanks guys! I find this sort of thing oddly therapeutic. Something about wood and pva that I don't get with plastic kits. James, instructions are here: https://www.miniaturescenery.com/Public/Instructions/PEREGRINE.pdf

Thank you for posting the link. They do seem very comprehensive and thought out, on a par with more mainstream kit instructions  8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: YPU on December 22, 2016, 03:19:43 PM
I have to agree, that instruction manual is worthy of a kit that price.

I find this sort of thing oddly therapeutic. Something about wood and pva that I don't get with plastic kits.

At least it's not small blue foam bricks.  ;D


I'm very much in two minds about this kit. it appears to be full of good idea's and smart tricks, incorporating different thicknesses of material in clever ways. On the other hand I can still very clearly see that it's a laser cut set, which, to me at least, does take away from it.
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: OSHIROmodels on December 22, 2016, 03:20:19 PM
At least it's not small blue foam bricks.  ;D

I'm watching you  >:D
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: blacksoilbill on December 22, 2016, 03:25:27 PM
I have some of their fork lift trucks that I still haven't figured out how to put together.

Ha ha! I bought two different forklift kits at the same time! They will have to wait though.
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Juan on December 22, 2016, 07:20:01 PM
Very interested in your effort with this kit, specially the painting.
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: blacksoilbill on December 22, 2016, 08:39:50 PM
Painting it is the one thing that does intimidate me!
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: OSHIROmodels on December 22, 2016, 08:40:58 PM
Could you pre-spray the sprues before assembly? And then it should only be a matter of touching up and weathering afterwards.

cheers

James
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: YPU on December 22, 2016, 08:42:32 PM
Looking trough the instructions there are many many surfaces which show the cut edges of the MDF.
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Grimmnar on December 25, 2016, 04:40:53 AM
Just curious when it comes to shipping fees.
To save on shipping fees could the model be completely cut out and shipped/sold in pieces w/o the extras?
Could send a photo of what the pieces would look like not all the way cut out. The customer uses this to assemble the parts to match the photo. Then proceed to put it together.
Wouldn't this save on weight for shipping?

Grimm
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: eilif on December 26, 2016, 05:03:30 AM
Just curious when it comes to shipping fees.
To save on shipping fees could the model be completely cut out and shipped/sold in pieces w/o the extras?
Could send a photo of what the pieces would look like not all the way cut out. The customer uses this to assemble the parts to match the photo. Then proceed to put it together.
Wouldn't this save on weight for shipping?

Grimm
Probably would save on weight, but without having everything stuck on nice neat sheets it might make the package actually end up bigger and most shipping companies charge dimensionally as well as on weight.  Popping out 1000 pieces would also add alot of labor to the production end of things.
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Grimmnar on December 29, 2016, 04:54:33 AM
Probably would save on weight, but without having everything stuck on nice neat sheets it might make the package actually end up bigger and most shipping companies charge dimensionally as well as on weight.
The size difference, if any, would be miminal at worst. I am sure her experts out there would make short work of such a issue.

Popping out 1000 pieces would also add alot of labor to the production end of things.
Again miminal. The cutter was to cut out all the pieces pull out the frame and slide the bits into a box. Again the experts would have a better explanation of the process.
And adding to the labor. More sales helps to offset production costs.

What I am thinking in my head to make the changes all depends on what the factory floor and set up looks like.

Grimm
Title: Re: MDF Light Freighter
Post by: Daeothar on December 29, 2016, 08:33:22 AM
But then imagine having to look for that one little bit out of a pile of 1000+ pieces... lol

Just the idea gives me flashbacks of little me, sitting on the floor surrounded by mounds of Lego, searching endlessly for that one special brick I knew I had, but just couldn't locate... ::)

If anything, that taught me angelic patience with things (but not people though)...