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Miniatures Adventure => VSF Adventures => Topic started by: FreddBloggs on February 19, 2009, 01:12:34 PM
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Does anyone know of a maker of these, either stand alone or attached to the rest of a figure?
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Warrior miniatures???
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http://www.pig-iron-productions.com/order.htm#m
gas masks here. but no turbans.
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Turbans are very easy and quite quick to make with a bit of green-stuff or similar. I've tried it with very acceptable resultson some of my Spanish Reconquista figures and I am by no means a skilled modeller :(
It wouldn't take too long to convert any gas-mask wearing heads to be-turbanned ones.
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Does anyone know of a maker of these, either stand alone or attached to the rest of a figure?
If someone made them, I'd get some!
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I could Greenstuff if I wanted one or two, but I want 40 or more for my Sepoys on there deployment to Mars.
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Ramshackle_Curtis is thinking of producing some VSF head sets. Give him a prod with this idea and a good description. You never know.
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Ramshackle_Curtis is thinking of producing some VSF head sets. Give him a prod with this idea and a good description. You never know.
That could be a winner, I suppose the only issue will be compatibility.
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Ahh, so compatibility? 28mm? 32mm?
Sets with turbans, sets with slouch hats and sets with (of course)pith helmets. Maybe top hats too? And german pointy Hunn helmets?
So maybe 5 heads on a sprue, 1 with a bionic eye, 2 open face and 2 with gas masks? Or 5 the same on a sprue? Or what? Ideas please.
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I'd say 1 sprue with straight gas masks, and then another sprue with 'character' heads...
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With regards to turbans, what kind are wanted here? Sikh? Indian? Arab? Turkish? Bashi? They're all different :?
With something like gasmasks, I'd say have a sprue of all gasmask heads. For other things, a mixed sprue is fine. With regards to bionic eye/targetting monacle, I've already said this but I'll put it in writing, have it as a fold down piece of equipment on a helmet or similar. Actually having it within the head is a bit too sci-fi for me.
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Well for me I would like Sikh and/or Indian Army style turbans with gas masks. I already had pith Helmet and gas masks sculpted for me a while back in Heroic 28mm I suppose for scale.
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Ahh, so compatibility? 28mm? 32mm?
As long as they're compatible with the plastic Warzone figures I'm happy. I agree that the gasmasks should all be one sprue of the same headgear, turbans, foreign service helmets, pickelhaubes, sun helmets, etc. I know the plastic Warzones come with a gasmasked pickelhaube head but it's not the nicest sculpt. 8)
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I'm liking the separate sprue idea.
Curtis, with your sculpting skills you'll do a good job. Easy on the rivets though. ;)
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...not too sure if this is too late...if you are looking for 28mm turbaned heads...you could try Redoubt...they do a separate head selection for their ACW zouaves (50p for 6 - with and without beards)...this will give you about 50% of what you are looking for...leaving the gas mask to be added and removal of beard and tassle bit from the fez
http://www.redoubtenterprises.com/
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Ahh, so compatibility? 28mm? 32mm?
As long as they're compatible with the plastic Warzone figures I'm happy. I agree that the gasmasks should all be one sprue of the same headgear, turbans, foreign service helmets, pickelhaubes, sun helmets, etc. I know the plastic Warzones come with a gasmasked pickelhaube head but it's not the nicest sculpt. 8)
Any chance you could send me one of these models as scale reference then? Is that even legal? Im not sure.
As for the rivets THunderchicken, well how many is too many? On a turban?!
Also, some reference pictures please! To help with what to do. I assume not this (the most awesome turrban in the world?)
(http://www.mrsikhnet.com/hello/1328287/700/Nihang_Picture_-_huge_turban-2006.02.16-13.21.57.jpg)
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Ahh, so compatibility? 28mm? 32mm?
As long as they're compatible with the plastic Warzone figures I'm happy. I agree that the gasmasks should all be one sprue of the same headgear, turbans, foreign service helmets, pickelhaubes, sun helmets, etc. I know the plastic Warzones come with a gasmasked pickelhaube head but it's not the nicest sculpt. 8)
Any chance you could send me one of these models as scale reference then? Is that even legal? Im not sure.
As for the rivets THunderchicken, well how many is too many? On a turban?!
Yes I can. I'll send one of the not-British and one of the not-Germans, still on their sprues would be best I think. It's perfectly legal to make add on parts for other manufacturers miniatures and models. Just think of brass etched detailing kits for model tanks and aeroplanes.
Edit:In my opinion the not-Germans heads are very, very slightly to small.
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Well, Im not sure about the legality of it. Anyway, its for scale reference. Im not suggesting that anyone actually use my models mixed with any other companies, especially not Games Workshop or Warzone or indeed any other comapny. ONLY USE RAMSHACKLE PRODUCTS ON THIER OWN! No conversion ESPECIALLY no adding or removing rivets OK?
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A head in gasmask with a pickelhaube is in no way impinging on any ones copyright, unless you did an exact copy. Obviously you aren't selling as accessories to Warzone, you're sculpting VSF heads to turn any figures into VSF Prussians.
Brass etched kits for tanks etc are different as the images of those tanks are public domain and technically the tanks belong to the public. There was a threat recently by one of the tank companies to protect their IP and prevent people making kits of their tanks without paying fees, it got overuled due to the whole public serving military thing.
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A head in gasmask with a pickelhaube is in no way impinging on any ones copyright, unless you did an exact copy. Obviously you aren't selling as accessories to Warzone, you're sculpting VSF heads to turn any figures into VSF Prussians.
Brass etched kits for tanks etc are different as the images of those tanks are public domain and technically the tanks belong to the public. There was a threat recently by one of the tank companies to protect their IP and prevent people making kits of their tanks without paying fees, it got overuled due to the whole public serving military thing.
Yes, your post sounds more correct than mine, Warzone is a copyrighted product. I stand corrected. ;)
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Alternatively, i rather than adding gasmasks to 19th century turbaned Indian troops why not switch things round and add turbaned Indian heads to 'VSF' troops?
Westwind do a nice pack of 20 Indian heads (well, actually 19 turbans plus an officer in cap) that would fit well on plastic figures from another manufacturer, e.g. Warzone plastic Bauhaus troops or GW Cadian Imperial Guard (which would also allow you to use their heavy weapons).
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SO the basic sculpt of the turban went into silicone today, will have some casts by monday. Actually, after consultation with Dewbakuk I have come to realise that if I do small heads they will be too small and if I do big heads they will be too big, so Im going to do true 28mm and exagerated 28mm sets...
Now comes the hard part: deciding on a gas mask. What kind of gas mask are we talking here?
A:
(http://www.germes-online.com/direct/dbimage/50006918/MF14_Type_Gas_Mask.jpg)
B:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/1930s_gas_mask.jpg)
C:
(http://a1armysurplus.com/images/WW2%20GAS%20MASK.jpg)
So yes, please help me decide. If you find a better image pleas epost it or PM it to me....
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I've already put my 2p in on this one, so I shall let others chime in without undue influence :)
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In my humble opinion A and C are too modern looking. C isn't far off what I'm issued with at the moment.
I'd go for B.
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In my humble opinion A and C are too modern looking. C isn't far off what I'm issued with at the moment.
I'd go for B.
I agree with Thunderchicken - of the three options shown, B looks best.
Or for a more historical (early WW1) look, how about a simple smoke hood with eye-pieces:
(http://www.warrioronline.demon.co.uk/OTWGames/figures/eib2b.jpg)
or with goggles:
(http://www.parroom.net/Images-PSM/Showroom%20pics/VSF/VSS_001.jpg)
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I personally dont think the plain hoods look very exciting, plus they are pretty easy for you to sculpt at home. Also, this is vsf, the emphasis for me is fiction and science, with only really a cursory nod towards the Victorian!
So, yes, the pith helmets will be getting definately seperate goggles and then piggy style masks. The slouch hats will be getting the full face piggy style mask(and maybe some corks!), and so Im still really stuck for the turbaned heads! Also, what about the beards? Inside or outside the gas mask?
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Here's some more.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/twrchtrwyth/Unffyrfiau/Masciau%20nwy/800px-Various_gas_masks_WWI.jpg)
Ones for nurses.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/twrchtrwyth/Unffyrfiau/Masciau%20nwy/n_a3.jpg)
Belgian ones.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/twrchtrwyth/Unffyrfiau/Masciau%20nwy/belgian-gas-masks-WWI.jpg)
For Werewolves maybe?
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/twrchtrwyth/Unffyrfiau/Masciau%20nwy/germansoldierdog.jpg)
This seems unusual with the pipe looking like a trunk.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/twrchtrwyth/Unffyrfiau/Masciau%20nwy/disco-dancer-girl-wearing-gas-mask-.jpg)
Detail of a Hungarian model.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/twrchtrwyth/Unffyrfiau/Masciau%20nwy/Hungarian1950M.jpg)
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/twrchtrwyth/Unffyrfiau/Masciau%20nwy/Hungarian1950M---1.jpg)
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/twrchtrwyth/Unffyrfiau/Masciau%20nwy/Hungarian1950Mfilter.jpg)
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Also, some reference pictures please! To help with what to do. I assume not this (the most awesome turrban in the world?)
(http://www.mrsikhnet.com/hello/1328287/700/Nihang_Picture_-_huge_turban-2006.02.16-13.21.57.jpg)
Oh my! What a magnificent turban :o :-* 8)
Mr Ramshackle, any chance you could produce a figure like that?
I don't know what I would use him for, but he would be an essential buy!
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I personally dont think the plain hoods look very exciting, plus they are pretty easy for you to sculpt at home. Also, this is vsf, the emphasis for me is fiction and science, with only really a cursory nod towards the Victorian!
So, yes, the pith helmets will be getting definately seperate goggles and then piggy style masks. The slouch hats will be getting the full face piggy style mask(and maybe some corks!), and so Im still really stuck for the turbaned heads! Also, what about the beards? Inside or outside the gas mask?
I think Pith helmets would look better with non-seperate goggles like in the 4th picture in my post above. Thinking about it the hoses might be difficult to sculpt so maybe just make them so you can put on your own with just a canister sprue like in the 8th picture in my post above.
Looking at the 1st picture beards seem not to show.
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I personally dont think the plain hoods look very exciting, plus they are pretty easy for you to sculpt at home.
Not me old chap, my sculpting skills are poo so I look to line the pockets of those such as yourself (which isn't a bad thing ;)).
I'm coming from a purely VSF viewpoint with my opinion on the masks but as you said, if you take the Victorian bit out of VSF then the world's your oyster with the design. Easy on the rivets though.
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twrchtrwyth
Is the first image the "look" you are going for? Its quite a mix of styles, not uniform. Pretty cool. I think the seperate pipe ones are cool but wouldnt be practical to cast with the resin U use. If I did them it would be on full models, so the thin tubes get reinforced by being set into the model.
Gluteus Maximus
Er, not sure MrHuge Turban is on my to-do list...maybe in the future?
Thunderchicken
Looks like a range of different options is going to be the best solution here, so I will do bag head boring cloth masks for you bloody rivet counters... ;D
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Thunderchicken
Looks like a range of different options is going to be the best solution here, so I will do bag head boring cloth masks for you bloody rivet counters... ;D
Music to my eyes! Blue Peter badge in the post.
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Can we get a comment off Fredd Bloggs? Ill PM him ....
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twrchtrwyth
Is the first image the "look" you are going for? Its quite a mix of styles, not uniform. Pretty cool. I think the seperate pipe ones are cool but wouldnt be practical to cast with the resin U use. If I did them it would be on full models, so the thin tubes get reinforced by being set into the model.
Gluteus Maximus
Er, not sure MrHuge Turban is on my to-do list...maybe in the future?
Thunderchicken
Looks like a range of different options is going to be the best solution here, so I will do bag head boring cloth masks for you bloody rivet counters... ;D
The first picture was just for showing if beards were covered or not. I think the look I'm after is in the 4th picture, but with pith helmets, sun helmets, pickelhaube, etc. I'm sure I could convert some if I wanted hose types hence my suggestion of seperate canisters.
A mix of styles/non-uniform look could be good for a militia unit. Having different styles for military and civilian is cool to.
I also like the idea of werewolf gasmasks too, like are on the dogs in the same picture. 8)
Edit: Not a fan of the sperate goggles look on the gasmask itself, could look good on the helmet of the model, placed there while wearing the gasmask.
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See, I'm a big fan of the seperate mask and goggles. Particularly the goggles up on the helmet look.
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See, I'm a big fan of the seperate mask and goggles. Particularly the goggles up on the helmet look.
Just to clarify, do you mean seperate goggles and mask just over the mouth or full gasmask and seperate goggles.
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Mask just over the nose/mouth, with a seperate set of goggles.
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I need to make moulds of these, but there will be variations too. Pleas emake suggestions! I want comments. These are the smaller 28mm size heads, to fit Warzone size stuff.
Cloth Mask on Pith Helmet
(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5762/28mmsmallpithclothmask.jpg)
Piggy mask on Pith Helmet
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6420/28mmsmallpithpigmask01.jpg)
Turban Mask 01
(http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2989/28mmsmallturbmask01.jpg)
Turban Mask 02
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6104/28mmsmallturbmask02.jpg)
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Okay, you did say you wanted comments. So...
For me the last two look way too modern for VSF. They definitely give off a post-WWII vibe for me. Don't get me wrong, I love the sculpts on all four, it's purely a style question about how Victorian they should look. Personal taste really. I have similar feelings about the Piggy one, but to a far lesser extent.
Personally I would go as early as possible if you are going to model them on real gas masks, such as the PH helmet...
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/uk-002.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/ph_hood.jpg)
Or, ignore history altogether and come up with a fantasy design, perhaps something more baroque, that looks like it's something that the Victorians may have come up with.
No offence, they are great sculpts. As I said, it is purely a question of style and personal taste.
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No offence taken, I welcome the comments and suggestions. Im only really doing this project because people have been asking for stuff. If I can get a good idea of what that something is then I can make it!
Pretty funny looking, womble style mask that last one, will have a go at that!
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Indian Army heads with gasmasks that you could actually use for the Great War would be great. But I'm thinking... What did they do? You wouldn't be able to get that over a turban in a hurry. I've never seen a picture of Indian infantry in gasmasks.
Anybody know what they did? One would imagine the turban would be pulled off PDQ. So should they be bare-headed apart from the mask?
Edit: I think I know the answer. They were pulled out of the Western European theatre before gas masks were issued (though they were horribly exposed to the stuff, sans masks), so it never came up. Doh! Still, bears thinking about if you are doing VSF versions.
Looking into it further, seems some cavalry stayed on the Western Front throughout the war.
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I need to make moulds of these, but there will be variations too. Pleas emake suggestions! I want comments. These are the smaller 28mm size heads, to fit Warzone size stuff.
Piggy mask on Pith Helmet
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6420/28mmsmallpithpigmask01.jpg)
Turban Mask 02
(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6104/28mmsmallturbmask02.jpg)
These 2 are my favorite. The piggy mask especially, looks like the one in the pic I posted. I'd prefer a turbaned piggy mask too. About the Pith helmet itself, it looks slightly too short.
I realise as well I may not be using the correct terms.
This is what I mean by a pith helmet.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/twrchtrwyth/Unffyrfiau/Helmedau/british-pith-white.jpg)
And this is what I mean by a sun helmet.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/twrchtrwyth/Unffyrfiau/Helmedau/french-pith.jpg)
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<Colonial Adventures Chap hat on>
Sun helmets and pith helmets are really the same thing. Those are just examples of different styles.
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<Colonial Adventures Guy hat on>
Sun helmets and pith helmets are really the same thing. Those are just examples of different styles.
I thought as much, just posted the pics so people would know what I was on about. ;)
Edit: Just realised how that reads. What I mean is I've given the styles names which aren't really correct. lol
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Nice sculpts Curtis. I especially like th 'piggy' mask in pith/sun helmet. How about some turbaned heads and a British 'home service' helmet with the same mask?
One minor criticism - the helmets look likethey are perched on top of the masked heads. Maybe they need to be a tiny bit larger.
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I agree, the helmets do seem a bit small. Bit too pointed on the brims too.
I also have to say that I like the Pith helmet with cloth mask far more than I thought I would. They're looking great all round!
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Looking good Curtis, they're coming along nicely. I'll go with the comments above over the size and shape of the helmet. Both the face cloth and the piggy mask works for me.
It's great to see the work in progress.
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Looking good Curtis, they're coming along nicely. I'll go with the comments above over the size and shape of the helmet.
He's obsessed with helmet size lol lol lol
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This is what I mean by a pith helmet.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/twrchtrwyth/Unffyrfiau/Helmedau/british-pith-white.jpg)
And this is what I mean by a sun helmet.
(http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/twrchtrwyth/Unffyrfiau/Helmedau/french-pith.jpg)
The former is a British Army Helmet of the type used during the Anglo-Zulu War, possibly too early for real 'VSF' (?)
The latter is a French Helmet.
A good site for this subject is;
http://thefedorachronicles.com/vintagethreads/pith/index.html
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It is indeed. I suspect he meant this one which is rather similar.
(http://www.villagehatshop.com/media/thumbsup.php?image=new-wolseley.jpg&width=375)
A Wolesley Helmet.
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I don't really think you can say the Zulu War style helmet is too early for VSF, as this style was used with only minor changes right through to the end of Victoria's reign. The Wolseley, by contrast, is really too late for VSF. You are into the realms of Edwardian Science Fiction with that one.
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I don't really think you can say the Zulu War style helmet is too early for VSF, as this style was used with only minor changes right through to the end of Victoria's reign. The Wolseley, by contrast, is really too late for VSF. You are into the realms of Edwardian Science Fiction with that one.
'spose. It's more of the banding on the helmet that is different, rather than the design. Although few people would notice...
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I see what you guys mean about the helmet sizes, I will ammend. They are not quite right!
a British 'home service' helmet with the same mask?
Please provide an Image.
As for the cloth masks, I will do a version with goggles too.
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Home Service Helmet:
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Blue-cloth-helmet.jpg)
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I'm not a fan of the Wolesley helmet for VSF at all, just including it for reference based on the previous posts.
A Home Service helmet is really just a pith helm with a spike on top, usually with a regimental badge on the front of it too. Here's a couple of pics
(http://www.royalsussex.org.uk/RSLHG_Uniform_of_the_Victorian_Period_files/image003.jpg)
(http://www.sutlers.co.uk/acatalog/Blue-cloth-helmet.jpg)
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It is indeed. I suspect he meant this one which is rather similar.
(http://www.villagehatshop.com/media/thumbsup.php?image=new-wolseley.jpg&width=375)
A Wolesley Helmet.
If you mean me, then no I didn't mean a Wolesley. I thought there were more differences between what I call a Sun helmet and a Wolesley, but looking at the pictures there is only minor differences.
Good idea with the home service helmet.
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I like the turbanned heads, very nice.
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Okay, you did say you wanted comments. So...
For me the last two look way too modern for VSF. They definitely give off a post-WWII vibe for me. Don't get me wrong, I love the sculpts on all four, it's purely a style question about how Victorian they should look. Personal taste really. I have similar feelings about the Piggy one, but to a far lesser extent.
Personally I would go as early as possible if you are going to model them on real gas masks, such as the PH helmet...
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/uk-002.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/ph_hood.jpg)
Or, ignore history altogether and come up with a fantasy design, perhaps something more baroque, that looks like it's something that the Victorians may have come up with.
No offence, they are great sculpts. As I said, it is purely a question of style and personal taste.
Spare heads with this type of "bag" mask and no hat or helmet.. Mmm. I'd be interested.
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Well, Ive doen 3 turbaned heads so far, the pith helmets keep coming out with bubbles so need a bit of work. Will have some painted turban and gas mask photos over the next few days...
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I just discoverd this thread, vary nice. I cant wait to the the gasmakes with pith helments. No all we need are some with french Kipies and Russian style ones with the neck cloth for Bulkan wars. Dont really know what they called them honistly
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I just discoverd this thread, vary nice. I cant wait to the the gasmakes with pith helments. No all we need are some with french Kipies and Russian style ones with the neck cloth for Bulkan wars. Dont really know what they called them honistly
Agreed. Standard 19th century-style French kepis (not the squarer 20th century Foreign Legion type kepis) would be useful not just for French but also for ACW. Russian WW1-style gas masks caps would be VERY useful for VSF, WW1, RCW or BoB.
Renegade French in kepis:
(http://www.renegademiniatures.com/ww1/images/figures/ww1f1.jpg)
and gasmasks:
(http://www.renegademiniatures.com/ww1/images/figures/ww1f7.jpg)
WW1 Russan gasmask:
(http://www.landships.freeservers.com/jpegs/new_unifs/russ_gasmask.jpg)
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Well, Ive doen 3 turbaned heads so far, the pith helmets keep coming out with bubbles so need a bit of work. Will have some painted turban and gas mask photos over the next few days...
Woooohoooo can't wait to see them.
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Well, here are some examples with the new truban and gas mask heads. Wont be up for sale for a few weeks though...
(http://www.postimage.org/Pq267Xwi-e4f47c34e8083be60397e519356dab6a.jpg)
Oh yes, the pictures are taken with Warzone models.
(http://www.postimage.org/Pq266GHJ-e4f47c34e8083be60397e519356dab6a.jpg)
(http://www.postimage.org/Pq266LH0-e4f47c34e8083be60397e519356dab6a.jpg)
(http://www.postimage.org/Pq266QGi-e4f47c34e8083be60397e519356dab6a.jpg)
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All I can say is ....
POST-APOCALYPSE EVIL SIKHS :o
Marvellous!
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Oh, wow :o! I'm gonna need me some of those beauts!
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Very nice Curtis :)
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Absolutely perfect, just what I need. Do I get a discount on volume for seeding the idea?
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Nice job mate!
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Nice work Curtis. Looking forward to seeing the helmets (holds his breath and awaits Malamute's comment).
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Nice work Curtis. Looking forward to seeing the helmets (holds his breath and awaits Malamute's comment).
lol lol lol
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They look even better than I thought they would, (and I thought they would be great). Can't wait to see the helm... I mean other headgear. 8)
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Red X's for me, but will check again at my home computer. If they are half as good as I'm reading though, I'll be doing up that Ramshackle order that I've been meaning to for a while now ASAP.
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I get red x's too but if you click the x, it will link you to the image.
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Hmm, shows up fien on mine, Im using firefox....
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Using the link the image page lists doesn't seem to work in explorer, but getting a direct link does. Here you go.
(http://www.postimage.org/Pq267Xwi-fc745fb3479fbaee9677ff9c19b883c6.jpg)
(http://www.postimage.org/Pq266GHJ-fc745fb3479fbaee9677ff9c19b883c6.jpg)
(http://www.postimage.org/Pq266LH0-fc745fb3479fbaee9677ff9c19b883c6.jpg)
(http://www.postimage.org/Pq266QGi-fc745fb3479fbaee9677ff9c19b883c6.jpg)
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Very nice stuff. Looking forward to the pith helmets with gas masks. ;D
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Thanks for the link work there Dewbakuk!
Im now waiting for my new vac chamber to come, so will be a couple of weeks dbefore the heads are ready for release!
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Not a problem sir. On a semi related note, the smallish head on the right of the sprue, how does it fit on a plastic Cadian?
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Any WIPs of the pith helmets, or details of the Turbaned heads Cadian fit Mr Curtis?
(or can I call you Ramshackle?) :)
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My all time favourite in this terms must be Ironclad's John Carter of Mars... a whole unit/army of these guys would be blast! :-*
(http://www.ironcladminiatures.co.uk/online/templatemedia/all_lang/resources/Carter.gif)
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Ironclad do indeed do 2 units of these plus a leader in their website shop, under "Martians"
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(http://www.ironcladminiatures.co.uk/.media/129918088264.png)
(http://www.ironcladminiatures.co.uk/.media/447728914813.png)
(http://www.ironcladminiatures.co.uk/.media/914698928066.gif)