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Other Stuff => Workbench => Topic started by: Hammers on January 02, 2017, 08:42:08 PM
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My build will be, in a way, a logical consequence of this purchase...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/JazzAgeRAF1.JPG)
...that is, the downed RAF pilots from Empress Miniatures very characterful Jazz Age range.
I intend to build a downed version of this wonderful jazzy cargo plane...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/Valentia.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/vickers_valentia.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/4306583747_84bc6111b5_z.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/exploedVV.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/EmbarkingVV.jpg)
The images above are not all Victorias, but the Valentias, Vernon, and Vimys are similar in structure.
Making crashed airplanes (or any vehicles for that matter) are not the easiest of projects but I have long wanted to make a go of it. Even if the result is supposed to look like a metallic sallad requires at least a show of attempt at understanding of the inner workings of the aircraft to make it look believable. Luckily I have an excellent guide by the diorama guru Richard Payne which I hope will see me through.
The whole thing is meant to become a centerpiece/objective for my NWF/BOB project: A Jazz Age journey through NWF with Hammers (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=58471.0)
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Most splendid :)
cheers
James
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Looking forward to that. Oddly enough I have a kit of a Victoria in 1/72 that I've never got around to building.
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Care to sell it? I could use it as reference.
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Good grief, this should be good!
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Oh, one to follow! :o
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That's going to be a difficult one! Good luck mate! I'm sure it'll be brilliant! 8)
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Care to sell it? I could use it as reference.
I'd have to locate it first and I'm currently on the other side of the world to it and will be for another month or so.
By the by I remembered mine's a Vernon not a Victoria, very similar craft. If you want one as a reference, the kit was by Maquette. Here you go:
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I'd have to locate it first and I'm currently on the other side of the world to it and will be for another month or so.
By the by I remembered mine's a Vernon not a Victoria, very similar craft. If you want one as a reference, the kit was by Maquette. Here you go:
The Vernon wa a commercial variant of the same of the same basic design, wasn't it?
Yeah, well, I don't really think I need it. Probably "A lot of of squealing for very little wool" as the crone said, fleecing the hog. If you could scan the plans to pdf and mail them to me I'd appreciate it.
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More than happy to but I won't have access to them for another six weeks, I'm in Brazil at pres.
IIRC there is a website that has kit instructions. Might be long shot as it's a fairly obscure kit and damned if I can recall the name or url of the site.
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More than happy to but I won't have access to them for another six weeks, I'm in Brazil at pres.
IIRC there is a website that has kit instructions. Might be long shot as it's a fairly obscure kit and damned if I can recall the name or url of the site.
Ah. Yes. You said. Well, I'll make do somehow.
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promising project indeed
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Have you seen these plans?
http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/modernplanes/modern-uvw/35970/view/vickers_victoria_(england)/
or these
https://aerofred.com/details.php?image_id=89991
Tony
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Another tough looking build - am sure it will be great though
:)
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Have you seen Hammers builds before, Akula? It'll probably be better than the original plane! :o
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Should be good!
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Have you seen Hammers builds before, Akula? It'll probably be better than the original plane! :o
Indeed.
:D
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(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/exploedVV.jpg)
After some further research it has been revealed that we see the interior of the Vickers Victoria Mk. V, of which only one ever became operational. It was fitted with loud speakers "the black cones in the image" and flew over the NWF bellowing pacifying words to the unruly pathans. This must be the epitome of the British colonialist doctrine of "if they do not understand the Queens English, repeat more loundy".
I was planning to make mine an ambulance plane but I am sorely tempted to make it a Mk. V now.
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Indeed.
:D
Your faith in me is humbling. I have a pretty good idea how to go about it, but the banged up bits will require some untried techniques and exploratory builds. To mimic a ripped up aluminum hull I have bought a roll of aluminum tape in the hope it can be used in places where the Victoria has come apart.
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I was contemplating loudspeakers on the gondola of my Bloodyear Blomp project (to shout at the unruly Blood Bowl crowds instead of the unruly Pathan) and now have visual inspiration for what they might look like! :D
Cross-pollination of Build Something entries is a thing, apparently.
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After some further research it has been revealed that we see the interior of the Vickers Victoria Mk. V, of which only one ever became operational. It was fitted with loud speakers "the black cones in the image" and flew over the NWF bellowing pacifying words to the unruly pathans. This must be the epitome of the British colonialist doctrine of "if they do not understand the Queens English, repeat more loundy".
I was planning to make mine an ambulance plane but I am sorely tempted to make it a Mk. V now.
It wasn't in English you foolish man. It was likely some public school boy declaiming Cicero or witty epigrams in Latin.
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It wasn't in English you foolish man. It was likely some public school boy declaiming Cicero or witty epigrams in Latin.
"Now stop that tomfoolery *immediately*, you silly wogs or we shall land and deal with you *most* severely! No spotted dick for pudding, graviora manent!"
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wow this is a challenging project.
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The game is *ON*, and I like it. I feel the pressure from Akula, just to name one, and that is a very good thing...
So, a bit of progress...
I've made a maquette of the fuselage of my Vickers Victoria. Next I am going to clear coat it for the next step. i just had an epiphany about how I am going to do the crashed hull of the thing and make it, hopefully, convincing and appealing.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/Maquette1.jpg)
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Good work on the fuselage....has Mrs Hammers lost a rolling pin lately...? ;)
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Good work on the fuselage....has Mrs Hammers lost a rolling pin lately...? ;)
Not at all. It is from my personal lumberyard. Unfortunately I had no balsa, ash or aspen in stock so I had to go with fir.
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Vacforming?
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Looks good Hammers. I like a nice but of
carving. 8)
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Vacforming?
Nope. I dont have the tools for it and I don't care to build one.
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Lost wax? Papier mache or resin cast? I believe the build rules state that papier mache may only be used for making model volcanoes and then and only then if they actually erupt utilising the medium of baking soda and vinegar.
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(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/BuildII.jpg)
So, the wooden dildo is clad in GladPac and strips of newpaper glued in a few layers onto it. Since I am going to make a broken apart fuselage, I need a hull with fairly thin shell. Next, I am about to sand it and add a layer of spackle.
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Very interesting approach. 8)
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Strangely the sausage sketch out of "Allo Allo" just leapt into my mind.....
lol
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Thanks, chaps. It's a bit learning by doing. It was not enough to oil the dildo, the glue is very firm and stuck to the block. I had to rub the thing quite vigorously to shed the skin. Than I started over by wrapping it in a plastic.
Once the hull is spackled, dry and sanded I will cut panels out of the adhesive alu-tape and paste them to the shell. The next step will be to separate the tail part from the front part. Hopefully I can make this look like the tail has broken off in a crash. I use alu-tape specificlly for this purpose, thinking it will be the most suitable material to replicate an torn up aluminum hull.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/CrashedWalrus.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/CrashedWalrusII.jpg)
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The first aluminum panels have been applied to the fuselage. Looks like a more highend dildo now, doesn't i?
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/BuildIII.jpg)
I've layed them on in as large panels as possible, to be able to cut them in to smaller ones later with a scalpel. Rivets will be punched into the panels. Later I will need to take case of the gloss by mimicking oxide, dust and soot.
The end part is sort of ribbed, revealing the framework under the tail. I will replicate this by gluing brass rod onto the maguette and then apply alu-tape on top ot if.
I am quite happy with the result so far. The alu-tape works a treat.
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:-* :-*very shiny
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:-* :-*very shiny
That! Quite literally
I'd not thought of using aluminium tape: a very interesting approach.
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Does the back of the tape not have a removeable film that you take off before you can stick the tape down? Could you not have pressed rivets in on the reverse side before removing this?
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Does the back of the tape not have a removeable film that you take off before you can stick the tape down? Could you not have pressed rivets in on the reverse side before removing this?
That's an idea. I'll try it out. But I am guessing punching rivet with a small caliber hollow point punch from the positive side will work just as well, if not better. I've tried it before and it works OK.
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That! Quite literally
I'd not thought of using aluminium tape: a very interesting approach.
Thanks, it will be taken down a notch.
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Would you actually need many rivets? The skin is just doped fabric n'est ce pas?
Now if it was a Shackleton.... ten thousnd rivets flying in close formation. :)
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Would you actually need many rivets? The skin is just doped fabric n'est ce pas?
Now if it was a Shackleton.... ten thousnd rivets flying in close formation. :)
If I am not completely misinformed it had an all aluminum skin (and a metal structure).
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If I am not completely misinformed it had an all aluminum skin (and a metal structure).
Not quite.
https://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1929/1929-1%20-%200227.PDF
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I really like where this is going and am grateful to you for posting the whole process as it as it is a very useful technique that I had not thought of before,
8) 8)
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Ditto what Mason said, this is another very educational thread.
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I've enjoyed reading about your approach to building this plane.
Tony
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Not quite.
https://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1929/1929-1%20-%200227.PDF
What a treasure! I am endebted to you. I feel I have one up on you: in Hammerverse the Vickers Victoria XI was all aluminium. :)
Kidding. But from what I can read in the linked article, the later versions were indeed all metal (as I had read somewhere).
Anyway, this build is an exercise in banging up a aluminum hull, so that's what I am doing.
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Great technique on display here. I admire the leftfield approach.
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(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/BuildV.jpg)
A bit of progress. The aft bit of the fuselage is ribbed and since I ant some of the innards of the plane visible I cut lenghts of brass wire and glued them i groves in the inner paper hull. Messy. I wrapped thin brass wire at the end, collecting the lengths into a cone, which was then soldered and smoothed over with GS.
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Did you lube the dildo in order to facilitate removal from the body?
I have used this stuff for masking but never thought of anything as clever as this
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Coming along nicely. ;D
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(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/BuildIV.jpg)
Aluminium shell applied to the hull. The ribbed appearance is a bit too over the top but it will have to do.
The top wing is a single piece cut from a type of hard foam styrene. One wing pair will be torn off and modelled later. Wish I had spackled and sanded the ribs for a smoother curving of the skin between them. Not too late, I suppose.
The alu-tape is very malleable and sticks to metal and plastic like nobody's business.
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Oh wow! That's going to be awesome! :-*
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Coming along nicely. I look forward to seeing it crumpled and strewn across the ground lol
LB
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That is coming along very nicely indeed.
8) 8)
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Genius idea ;D
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I'm following the 'Build Something' competition with glee and I find your work really interesting. Great stuff.
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I am not content at all with the tail part so I thik I'll rip of the alu-ape and spackle it some.
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What about just another layer of foil on top? Would that not help?
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What about just another layer of foil on top? Would that not help?
Possibly. Yes. If the putty sticks I could apply it to the existing layer and, once it's dry, I could apply another.
I am not making a very accurate model, like JohnnyTodds Yokosuka. It it is more like a impressionist piece. Or dadaist, if you like. But still, I want it too look about right. There are a bit of confusion between versions of the Victoria (and the Vernon, Valentia) different engines, angle of the wing, style of rudder. I don't bother much about that, though.
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Yes, I am still breathing.
And I have cut the relevant apertures into the fuselag. Open cockpit, port holes and cargo door. Glassing and door will be fitted at a later stage.
I am glad I have not fallen for the temptation to remove the shell from the wood maquette. There's a bit of fiddly stuff still to be done on the fuselage and the support is useful, lest I squeeze the whole tink like an empty beer can.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/BuildVI.jpg)
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The wings have been ribbed and spackled with plastic half round strips. I had to do this in a couple of passes as I realized they were not as close together as they should. They should probably sit tighter still, but I wager the overall impression will be OK as things are now. The wings were finished off with a generous coating of runny plastic glue. The alutape coating will wait till I have fitted engines, struts and supports.
The starboard wing will be torn off as a result of the crash. As the Victoria had such a wide span, the wings were hinged to make them fit into hangars. This means I do not have to make great impressive damage to the end where the wing's been broken off.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/BuildVII.jpg)
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Looking good! This is the most intriguing entry in the comp. Looking forward to seeing the final item.
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Tricky part. This is where I will make compromises with truth and honesty the most. They are to slender and tapered simply because it was hard to find the right shapes to build from. Still, with the right amount of gadgetry I think they will pass casual scrutiny.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/BuildVIII.jpg)
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The tail fin. The loose bits are the rudders which I will have hinged and tilted for a suitably dynamic look
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/BuildIX.jpg)
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Looking good Hammers! 8)
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Looking good Hammers! 8)
Seconded. :)
Very, very good. ;D
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Very cool 8) 8) 8)
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I've no doubt it looks great.I just can't see it.(using a useless windows 10 phone as I've killed another iPad.)
I've no Idea why as other pictures you've posted I can view no problem. Which is a royal pain as yours was one of the builds I intended on following.Which is why I've not commented sooner.
Mark.
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I've no doubt it looks great.I just can't see it.(using a useless windows 10 phone as I've killed another iPad.)
I've no Idea why as other pictures you've posted I can view no problem. Which is a royal pain as yours was one of the builds I intended on following.Which is why I've not commented sooner.
Mark.
Sorry about that. The images are not uploaded to the Lead Adventure server so I guess your system is blocking my personal server.
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Ah there it is .
Well worth the wait .
Mark.
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Brilliant! What an update! You never fail to impress mate! :-*
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Brilliant! What an update! You never fail to impress mate!
Indeed - another brilliant build
:)
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Excellent work!
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Nicely done Peder. The Alutape works really well and looks like it will represent the distinctive bare metal surface well.
Looking forward to seeing the completed model. 8)
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Thanks for your encouraging word. Beware that I have not come to the difficult part yet.
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Nine days to go, which makes me realize that I seriously doubt I will have time to finish this build in time. That's alright though. There is so much time and thought gone into this build that, rather than screwing the pooch to make it to the deadline, I'd like to get it completed as closed to what I have in mind as possible.
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I think that's exactly the right attitude :)
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Engines complete.
The are not authentic looking, not by a long shot. Hopefully, with industrious use om gizmology, have I have made them look enginy enough. The Napier Lion IX of the thing was a much sleeker, modernistic pieces of machine housing design.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/BuildX.jpg)
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Regardless of being "right" they look awesome.
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Regardless of being "right" they look awesome.
I agree.
They look great.
8) 8)
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As I am something of a relentless optimist, I have some progress to show. The landing gear of the Vickers Victoria looks like so...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/exploedVV.jpg)
... so I soldered this mess off brass together and put a couple of GW shields on the axel for wheels. Quite complicted and time consuming, to be honest.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/BuildXI.jpg)
Fitted under the wings just to check how it all will work.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/BuildXII.jpg)
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So, I've now cut the fuselage in two and removed the maquette. The tail fin is fitted to the rear piece. Looks quite alrigh.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/BuildXIII.jpg)
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That's rather clever. So some good has come from GW after all.
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The maquette will now be reshaped for new purposes.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/BuildXIV.jpg)
I have realized I need something solid to fasten the wings and supports in or the whole thing will be very fragile.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/BuildXV.jpg)
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The techniques that you are using in this build go far above and beyond any that I expected in this contest.
Amazing!
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Really enjoying this one. I'm glad you are still doing the over-the-top builds that drew me here to LAF several years ago :)
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Looks ace. Interesting techniques
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I just feel like I haven't tried now. lol
Brilliantly executed.
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Sod. Fuck. Arse. I just realized that I should have done the rivet punching before I removed the wood maquette. >:(
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The techniques that you are using in this build go far above and beyond any that I expected in this contest.
Amazing!
:-* :-*
+1 :o
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+1 :o
I seriously don't think it's the best type of entry for this competition. I had a hunch it would be too complicated, and borders on a diorama rather than a practical terrain piece. But I like the Victoria very much and I am keen to unlock her secrets, even if not in time for the deadline.
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Your project is one of those I'm more interested in seeing completed,rather than consigned to a pile of 'one day 'projects at the back of the cupboard.
We seem to have the same philosophy with regards to the competition.' If I make it .
then, I make it. If I don't - then I'll just make it! '
So I'd love to see the completed model,if you choose to take your time. In its own thread.
Either way ,just keep going.
Mark.
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Amazing work!
Also I'm glad I'm not the only one who is still working on his entry lol
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So I'd love to see the completed model,if you choose to take your time. In its own thread.
Either way ,just keep going.
Exactly - it's a real labour of love....finish it at your own pace, but keep us posted.
V.inventive landing gear, and I'm impressed with the technique for building the fuselage.
8)
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What am I making?
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/newbuildI.jpg)
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A batarang?
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You're making an Ewok Glider! ;)
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I'd guess at the coving and controls for the cockpit.
Tony
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I don't know if anyone remembers this project... It was a while ago since it started but it has over the last week seen some significant progress. For know I just want to show you how very well aluminum tape lends itself to rivet punching.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/RivettoolSyringe.jpg)
To get the rivet heads as small as possible I cut the tip of a fine syringe. The rivets are still overscaled and there should be many more lines of them. But I contend myself with punching enough of them to make the whole thing look acceptable.
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Always good to see your projects continue 8)
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Oh goody! 8)
That Aluminium foil would work well for making iron ships! :?
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Oh goody! 8)
That Aluminium foil would work well for making iron ships! :?
Indeed. I am going to try it on my steamer. It is so much more difficult to get the rivets right, punching them into styrene. The tape is really easy to cut into panels. It is also quite malleable, meaning you can smooth it over uneven or curved surface.
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Fly, my pretty, fly!
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swiss beading/graving/graining tool is what you need:
(http://www.hyperscale.com/images/ummtoolsreview1bg_6.jpg)
Come in sets from stupidly small to >1mm
They do the same job as the syringe without any need for making stuff.
I use them with miliput or greestuff but can also be used on plain plasticard for recessed rivets.
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swiss beading/graving/graining tool is what you need:
And where is a man to find such marvelous tools?
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Pretty sure mine came from here:
https://www.cousinsuk.com/product/grainers-sets
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Pretty sure mine came from here:
https://www.cousinsuk.com/product/grainers-sets
Thank you!
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Thanks for the tip Rich! I've been struggling with making buttons in green stuff until now. Here is a source on this side of the Atlantic:
https://www.gesswein.com/c-356-beading-tools.aspx
...and Hammers, the plane progress is impressive
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Some more wonderful images of the Valentina:
(https://www.martinwilkinson.co.uk/images/victoria16.jpg)
More here:
Linky (https://www.martinwilkinson.co.uk/v_victoria.htm)
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Really glad to see this fascinating project continue, sir.
8) 8)
Wonderful tip off with that aluminium malarkey.
I shall have to remember that one.
:)
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Really glad to see this fascinating project continue, sir.
8) 8)
Wonderful tip off with that aluminium malarkey.
I shall have to remember that one.
:)
Thank you. Biplanes are tricky. To get all the struts, supports and wires in place I had to invent a system of braces to keep the wings in place while i messed with them. It is not so bad in this image, I had at one point six screws fixating the fuselage and wings to the base, making the whole thing look like a very complicated fracture. But it worked! All the struts and crisscrossing wires are now in place.
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I always love your builds, mate! :o I can’t rwmember ever seeing a table or a game in progress with all your stuff on it before now! :?
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Cool!
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Looking great Peder.
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Very nifty 8)
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A bit of interior detail.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/Valentina_interior1.jpg)
This is why crashed, burnt out vehicles are difficult to model. Even if you short cuts (which you have to) there's a lot of innards to consider to make the thing look realistic enough. The above are supposed to be bits from the interior structure of the fuselage.
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:o
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Taking my cue from by these photo...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/CrashedWalrusII.jpg)
Supermarine Walrus after a less successful landing
(https://www.martinwilkinson.co.uk/images/victoria15.jpg)
Valentina crumpled by a sandstorm, probably in Iraq in the 1930s
...I've started to tear up the hull of my own model. I applied an outer section of tape, its edges protruding over the torn off edges and cautiously ripped them.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/BuildXVI.jpg)
The dynamics of broken material is not all that easy to mimic but I am fairly satisfied so far. I will do some more work on wheels, propeller and wires as I fastened the fuselage and wings onto the base.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/BuildXVII.jpg)
And here is a proportions/closeup image of the "string bag" malarkey so typical of a 1930s double decker.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/BuildXVIII.jpg)
Neither this is 100% authentic, as there are even more wires going back and forth between wings and struts. It is fiddly business, though, so this set up is just some approximation, trying to make it look good.
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Most excellent 8)
Seems a shame to paint it.
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I aint gonna paint it. Just decals and some weathering.
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Looks bloody marvellous! Properly pranged.
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I aint gonna paint it. Just decals and some weathering.
Jolly good :)
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Brilliant!
You are really nailing the damaged effect and the work on the 'string bag' is amazing.
:-* :-*
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Brilliant!
You are really nailing the damaged effect and the work on the 'string bag' is amazing.
:-* :-*
Why thanks, glad you think I am on the right trail.
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I approve, and am looking forward to seeing how it ends up.
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Lovely stuff, I really feel for the model for some reason - completely irrational.
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Lovely stuff, I really feel for the model for some reason - completely irrational.
I know what you mean: its like a pretty bird found on the garden path with a clipped wing.
But think of it this way: it was born that way and has never known anything different.
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Like Frankenstein's monster?
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Like Frankenstein's monster?
*Exactly* like Frankenstein’s monster!
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This is turning out great, very impressive.
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Decals... I don't know what to say about decal. As I remember from my plastic kit days, when you've come to the putting on decals stage you felt a higher level of excitement. Now I just get frustrated. They slither arround and break.
The below are fairly authentic custom made recognition markings (although the aircraft marking 'Metatron' is my own invention) but I had to hand paint the much of the bullseye to restore the decal.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/BuildXIX.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/BuildXX.jpg)
Okey, so a little progress! Next engines and fuel tanks...
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"And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him."
I find the presence in ancient Rabbinic literature of a name that was obviously meant to be used in a Sci-Fi story about giant robots to be clear evidence of time travel.
This has seriously freaked me out, because I had just been reading about James Bruce discovering extant copies of the Book of Enoch in Ethiopia when I saw this.
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Decals... I don't know what to say about decal. As I remember from my plastic kit days, when you've come to the putting on decals stage you felt a higher level of excitement. Now I just get frustrated. They slither arround and break.
The below are fairly authentic custom made recognition markings (although the aircraft marking 'Metatron' is my own invention) but I had to hand paint the much of the bullseye to restore the decal.
I'm assuming you used microsol (or an equivalent)? How old are the decals and did you gloss varnish the surface before applying them or would that change the current surface too much?
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I'm assuming you used microsol (or an equivalent)? How old are the decals and did you gloss varnish the surface before applying them or would that change the current surface too much?
The sheets are brand new and I use Microset and Microsol. I think it is all about me being out of practice. The white decal sheet feels rather thick though(?)
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"And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him."
I find the presence in ancient Rabbinic literature of a name that was obviously meant to be used in a Sci-Fi story about giant robots to be clear evidence of time travel.
This has seriously freaked me out, because I had just been reading about James Bruce discovering extant copies of the Book of Enoch in Ethiopia when I saw this.
I thought Metatron, 'The Voice of God', would be an apropriate name for a Mk. V (only one ever made) armed with heavy 1930s ghetto blasters...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/exploedVV.jpg)
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Well he's a fallen Angel now. That much is for sure.
Really cool plane, I kind of want one. I would probably use it to inflict Abba, Boney M, Motorhead and the Dead Kennedys on my neighbours if I had one. I wonder exactly how many rebels were actually "cowed" by those "verbal bombs?" More than none?
By the way, look at those two dirty devils in the nose. What an earth are they up to? I mean, you expect that kind of thing in the Navy, but the RAF? lol
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The sheets are bran new and I use Microset and Microsol. I think it is all about me being out of practice. The white decal sheet feels rather thick though(?)
Did you clean the areas where the decals where put with white spirit? The metal sheet might of had a thin coating on them.
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Did you clean the areas where the decals where put with white spirit? The metal sheet might of had a thin coating on them.
What am I, a surgeon? No I did not and probably paid for it.
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What am I, a surgeon?
Might want to look at your career choices then ;D
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Well he's a fallen Angel now. That much is for sure.
Really cool plane, I kind of want one. I would probably use it to inflict Abba, Boney M, Motorhead and the Dead Kennedys on my neighbours if I had one. I wonder exactly how many rebels were actually "cowed" by those "verbal bombs?" More than none?
By the way, look at those two dirty devils in the nose. What an earth are they up to? I mean, you expect that kind of thing in the Navy, but the RAF? lol
I think it is quite possible to cow the rowdy Wazirs with a *really* witty Noel Coward tune. Possibly Abba to.
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Cor,
There's been a fair gallop of progress since I last looked in.
I admire the sheer effort you've poured into this. I'd have thrown a shiny metallic spray paint at it and said near enough.
I must confess I'm looking forward to the finished model.
Mark.
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By the way, look at those two dirty devils in the nose. What an earth are they up to? I mean, you expect that kind of thing in the Navy, but the RAF? lol
I think it is quite considerate AND progressive how the RAF furnished their bombers with litte intimate chambres separee for the crewmen who get overcome with *hrmhrm* lonliness. Just look how they’ve mattressed the walls and everything...
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Bloody hell. Amazing!
Decals vary hugely in quality and they also don't survive storage very well.
When building models with the cadets I buy the cheapest kits I can (mostly as a) if you can build them you can build anything and b) they'll bollicks them up anyway) and the decals vary from amazingly easy to fragile-butterfly-wing-delicate-tests-of-patience. The thin ones give better results but boy are they hard work!
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Today, a lovely summer day, btw, I decided I needed a flat game board section to place my crashed Victoria on. Said and done...
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/NWFModuleBoard1.jpg)
I had a few boards prepped a couple of years ago: 60 by 60cm, 10mm thick MDF laminated with 10cm pink XPS. To give it a flat but natural look I applied a naked flame to the surface with a minitorch, makimg soft indentures and grooves ehre and there.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/NWFModuleBoard2.jpg)
I use the same established and tried receipt for the ground work. I have a large box of Celluclay brand paper mache which dyed with water based wood stain, Herdin#71 'Modebrun'. That particular stain, together with the grey paper mache makes for a nice burnt umber earth color with I have chosen as a base for all my NWF terrain and miniatures. Squeezing the paper mache into a clay-like, but not wet, mass was a source of great amusement to my son and his friend, as they though I was hands deep in unadulterated shit. Finally a good dollop of carpenters glue was kneaded into the mach and a thin layer of glue was brushed onto the XPS to ensure a good grip.
The paper mache was spread out by hand (I use disposable rubber gloves as the stain stains like a bastard, no surprise there!) and patted down with a little water to get it fairly smooth.
On top of the paper mache I poured a few patches of glue. On to this I sprinkled gravel and sand in large and small aggregations.
When it all had dried (it only took a couple of hours this sunny day) I dry brushed the burnt umber tone with my standard NWF dirt colours, raw umber and titanium buff.
When the paint was dry I glued patches of static grass in two nuances on top of it. Finally I glued little balls of lichen as shrubs.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/NWFModuleBoard3.jpg)
The battalion priest, the reverend captain Noeclew, having difficulties finding back to the battalion head quarters after a brisk promenade in the arid landscape of the Valley of Smut.
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The board is looking nice. But what I really like is the daisies. It was a lovely day here too, but I didn't go out and enjoy it. I was chained to my LPL bench, my only comfort being that my adopted Indian team, The Royal Challengers Bangalore finally remembered how to play cricket, now that it is almost too late in the season for it to do any good.
Looking forward to more. The excitement levels are rising.
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Time for some weathering and superdetailing.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/BSC2017PotatoeCup/BuildWeathering.jpg)
The big box is a set of dry pastels. I don't expect to get a lot of use for the neon pink, but you never know... The various earth shade is what we are looking for here. I rub them against rough sandpaper and apply the powder with a soft brush. I have a set rust and soot powders to. The rust wont be necessary on an all aluminum plane like this but the black soot is applied to engines and exhaust. The Tamaiya beauty kit is labeled 'Sand', 'Light sand' and 'Mud'. The pigment is a bit greasy and is applied with a sponge. Looks good.
For shading rivets and such I use the old thinned enamel, brushed on lavishly and whiped of when half set.
I will go easy with this though. I think the wreck will look the best quite shiny.
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Oh yeah, I forgot, super detailing... It is not all that super, but some things need to be scattered behind the broken fuselage: a Wolseley, a Enfield rifle, a cot, a luggage rack, some luggage. Not much but just to add some interest and further chaos to the scene.
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Looks great! I quite like the contrast of the shiny wreck against the earth tones of the base. I think that your proposed scatter will work well. You might consider a couple of brightly colored bits of detritus for a bit of contrast. I am quite sure that something odd or amusing will spring forth from your fertile imagination lol
Lon
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This is fantastic, so glad this particular project has been dusted off and is being completed!
The metal tape makes for a really good looking aircraft skin, especially where it's damaged and shredded.
Onward!
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Seeing that latest image of it on your workbench I’m quite taken aback by how big it is. A seriously impressive project! 8) :-*
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Thanks for your encouraging word. Like many of my projects it has taken much longer than I hoped so they are appreciated.
I am currently working on the finishing touches of this pieces. Beside aircraft and military gear there should also be some personal effects scattered about when a plane in a transport function is broken up. A few busted open duffel bags and trunks with contents all ahoy seemed appropriate. So what's in a soldier's bag? Naturally, I googled 'Jazz+Age+Erotica"...
(https://img.etsystatic.com/il/27ecd3/1302443430/il_340x270.1302443430_6qjs.jpg?version=1)
French postcard. Don't giggle, it could be you grandmother posing!
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0d/65/43/0d654363573cdbc4fbdaba8fc1574918.jpg)
Gentlemens' Paphlet from the early 30's. 'Real French Capers', I just love that mildly naughty double entendre.
I feel I have to shrink these to the appropriate size and scatter them about the base. Noone will see what they are but *I* will know. :-)
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Naturally I googled 'Jazz+Age+Erotica"...
Naturally lol
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That’s odd! I did the same search and was deluged with images of an elderly and naked Benny Goodman doing something very interesting with his er ‘clarinet’.
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That’s odd! I did the same search and was deluged with images of an elderly and naked Benny Goodman doing something very interesting with his er ‘clarinet’.
That's because the search algorithm keeps track of your usual search patterns. ;)
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Yes, Google knows all too well my consuming passion for Jazz. Not sure why Siri kept prompting responses for ‘jiz’. Probably my accent. That’s why I switched her off. :)
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Things are getting racy on the North West Frontier!
Not sure the Afridis and Mohmands will approve if they come across these "propaganda leaflets" of yours, H.
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I am not disappointed lol lol
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Things are getting racy on the North West Frontier!
Not sure the Afridis and Mohmands will approve if they come across these "propaganda leaflets" of yours, H.
Ah but surely Hammers is wily enough to print off miniature goolie chits for each of his survivors?
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30083833
Failing that, some hair dye to paint their hair red and sire a thousand children after capture?
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If you stretch your mind back a bit, Carlos, you may recall I own one of those very chits (the exact same one), I posted a thread about it here some years ago.
Unfortunately that one in particular contains a lot of guff about the Japanese, which might go some way to muddy the waters even more. If they have acquired a taste for mucky books and get wind of what the Japanese have to offer, then the Frontier will be ablaze with schoolgirls and tentacles.
And we don't want that.