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Title: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 03, 2017, 12:52:51 PM: Hi all,

First crack at this and I was struggling for inspiration.
I like tanks... so flight and tanks means one thing: Flying Tank.

I mostly like WW2 and Post WW2 and a lot of my stuff is Soviet.
It also happens that the Soviets managed to make a tank fly.
The Antonov A-40: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_A-40
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/AntonovA40.jpg/300px-AntonovA40.jpg)

So first plan is build the tank, then cut/sand wings from styrofoam and bodge the two together... :D
That is the plan anyway! Sounds simple when put like that :o

I've got a fair bit of experience building tanks but my plane building is limited!

I hope to get my drawings sorted tonight - Can I start yet?

TTFN
Rich
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: OSHIROmodels on January 03, 2017, 02:10:52 PM: Great stuff :)

No starting until the 9th though please :)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: carlos marighela on January 03, 2017, 02:15:15 PM: Make sure you make a separate master of the T-60. I don't think anyone makes one in 1/56 at the moment.

Cracking idea btw.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: carlos marighela on January 03, 2017, 02:18:42 PM: This might be handy for references:

http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/models/aircraft/Flying-Tank-A40.html
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: tin shed gamer on January 03, 2017, 02:32:40 PM: Lovely idea Rich, as soon as I saw the title . I thought of course,who else would.
Look forward to seeing how you get on.

Mark.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 03, 2017, 02:58:25 PM: Cheers all,

I'll gather materials instead. OK that's done...
Looks like I'll have to finish the Centurion first afterall... ;D

Will see about the T-60 as a master.
It means a different construction if I go that route and it's a bit more work. (Seperate tracks usually)

Plan is standard build for the hull - laser cut wheels and tracks, plasticard hull, fiddly bits for detail.
The wings will be styrofoam hot wired then sanded and covered - not confident about that bit though!

I suspect the hull will need filling with lead to keep it on it's tracks...
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Post by: Andym on January 03, 2017, 03:20:56 PM: Great idea! 8)
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Post by: tomrommel1 on January 03, 2017, 03:42:02 PM: that thing will be big!!
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Post by: pocoloco on January 03, 2017, 05:44:25 PM: Very cool! 8)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 03, 2017, 06:05:31 PM: It's not that big, the wing span is in the order of 320mm at 1/56
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 06, 2017, 04:18:27 PM: I was going to make the wings out of foam... but now I might make a built up wing with ribs and spars and so on... might be a step too far though....!

(http://www.ppssrc.com/articles/carbonwing/DSCN2676.jpg)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: AKULA on January 06, 2017, 06:34:46 PM: Quote from: Rich H on January 06, 2017, 04:18:27 PM
might be a step too far though....!

Not around here, you are in good company

:)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: tin shed gamer on January 06, 2017, 07:05:27 PM: Rich,
I wouldn't worry about that,(I've just ordered 1800 nail art beads for rivet heads)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 06, 2017, 07:15:43 PM: lol OK I'll have a go at a built up wing then :)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: tin shed gamer on January 06, 2017, 08:27:21 PM: Excellent
As a fair few of us can turn out a commercial model.We might as well make this fun. Not just 'job and knock.'
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 06, 2017, 08:45:06 PM: I want to make a start... ;D

Built up wing will be attempted.... might not work... but I'll have a go!
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 07, 2017, 05:54:28 PM: Can I start yet?!? ;D
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Post by: OSHIROmodels on January 07, 2017, 06:34:50 PM: No ;D

lol

Tomorrow morning :)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 07, 2017, 06:47:06 PM: Boo!
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: OSHIROmodels on January 07, 2017, 07:02:45 PM: Yup ;D
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: von Lucky on January 07, 2017, 08:57:54 PM: I'm there now, can I start?

(https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder418/500x/33478418.jpg)

(All the best Rich, will be watching this one with intertest.)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 07, 2017, 09:47:30 PM: Thanks but that's not fair! I'm drinking gin instead...
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: OSHIROmodels on January 07, 2017, 10:42:56 PM: Quote from: von Lucky on January 07, 2017, 08:57:54 PM
I'm there now, can I start?

Nope ;D

GMT dear boy, GMT ;)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: von Lucky on January 08, 2017, 02:41:48 AM: Get Moving Tubby?

I know, 20:00 my time (later for beefcake), but gets us extra time at the end (if deadline is 9:00 GMT).
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 08, 2017, 05:26:21 PM: So brakes are off...

Hull structure done
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170108_131159_zpsfo6olr1h.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170108_131159_zpsfo6olr1h.jpg.html)

Wheels cut:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170108_151735_zpsx6klwr0v.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170108_151735_zpsx6klwr0v.jpg.html)

Wheels assembled:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170108_155710_zpswkpk4vvr.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170108_155710_zpswkpk4vvr.jpg.html)

and affixed:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170108_172115_zpsa5sthkty.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170108_172115_zpsa5sthkty.jpg.html)

Tracks are going to be a particular pain as they are tiny... and the turret is a mess of angles too...

Then onto wings :D
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Ballardian on January 08, 2017, 06:16:07 PM: A pleasingly mad project, looking good so far - considered making it an R/C aircraft (just think of the confused looks you'll get)?
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 08, 2017, 08:47:43 PM: Just for scale: :o

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170108_204004_zpsotabuurz.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170108_204004_zpsotabuurz.jpg.html)
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Post by: tomrommel1 on January 09, 2017, 11:01:24 AM: awesome
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Post by: Remgain on January 09, 2017, 11:51:03 AM: :o :o :-* :-*

GREAT!!

Marco
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 09, 2017, 10:34:10 PM: Riveting stuff!

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170109_223017_zpsw1vckmhb.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170109_223017_zpsw1vckmhb.jpg.html)

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170109_223010_zpsdchezcyr.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170109_223010_zpsdchezcyr.jpg.html)

Pondering the built up wings... and I've a backup plan.
Built up wings are a pain to get right... so I might revert to foam and hotwire!
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Andym on January 10, 2017, 06:57:49 AM: Will foam not be too brittle? BTW how do you do your rivets?
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 10, 2017, 07:20:31 AM: Foam will be fine when it's covered in doped cloth ;)

Rivets... are a trade secret - but I'll let you in on it!

(http://www.hyperscale.com/images/ummtoolsreview1bg_6.jpg)

Swiss graining tool used for gem setting; a set of 16 costs about £10

To start slightly roughen the surface you are going to add the rivet to.
Mix up a blob of greenstuff, you need enough to grip easily in your fingers. I use more yellow than blue to make it sticky.
Place the blob onto the area covering the rivet location and lightly press down.
Moisten the end of the tool (lick)
Use the beading tool to push through the blob and press onto the surface.
Rotate the tool and move it in an orbit (so the edge of the graining tool cuts through the greenstuff)
Remove the tool.
Pull away the blob.

Now you either have a nice raised rivet or a rivet stuck in the tool. My hit rate was about 60%...

With patience you can get some really tiny rivets like the hinges here:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20160807_230644_zpsasrsztyo.jpg)

You can also use them to make recessed rivets: just push into the surface and orbit it to cut the surface so t leaves a circle or if you push harder it leaves a recessed dome:

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-10/20151024_115343_zpsu4bwvg3z.jpg)

Note free handing the rivet spacing is not a god idea! It's really hard to get them aligned properly and really obvious when you bugger it up! Not for those with OCD...
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: gamer Mac on January 10, 2017, 10:06:14 AM: Amazing work
You do know it is six weeks not six days for this competition?
:D
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 10, 2017, 10:36:19 AM: Tracks will take a while... plus I'll get distracted by shiney thi.... oh new stuff in the post!
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Andym on January 10, 2017, 11:19:30 AM: Thanks for that Rich!

Is that first pic your current BSC build? :o
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 10, 2017, 11:21:45 AM: The big one above is the A-39 Tortoise form a while back!

This is my BSC current state:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170109_223010_zpsdchezcyr.jpg)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 10, 2017, 08:57:33 PM: Turret and rivets...
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170110_205136_zpsjcxzgvde.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170110_205136_zpsjcxzgvde.jpg.html)

Running out of excuses not to tackle the tracks...
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 10, 2017, 09:00:10 PM: Dunno what's going on but the rivet hit rate tonight is about 20%... >:(
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Post by: carlos marighela on January 11, 2017, 12:46:10 AM: That looks bloody marvellous! You sir are a master craftsman.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: mikedemana on January 11, 2017, 03:10:17 AM: That's amazing -- I was just contemplating what to do for rivets, too! I have been scouring the hobby stores, looking at beads which might fit the bill....

Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/

(http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww213/mikedemana/Miscellaneous/LPL_bades_zpsl7op2jaz.jpg)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: beefcake on January 11, 2017, 04:14:35 AM: Amazing patience there. Well done :)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 11, 2017, 07:00:52 AM: Thanks all!

Fiddly tracks next I suppose... ::)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Vanvlak on January 11, 2017, 07:09:08 AM: Quote from: Rich H on January 11, 2017, 07:00:52 AM
Thanks all!

Fiddly tracks next I suppose... ::)
This will be interesting 8)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 11, 2017, 08:16:55 AM: Measured up before work and it's no good, the undercarriage has to be remade - it's too wide!
I'd made the wheels 3mm thick and they should be thinner - I realised when I measured up the tracks.
The inner edge isn't a problem but the outer edge is.
Fortunately being laser cut I can burn a new set of parts in a few minutes.

Tracks are going to be 'interesting' they are 5mm wide which is fine but they have prominent guide teeth that need to be added.. 2 per track link... bu hand....
I can't think of any other way of doing them without casting (and I'm not going that far!)

Hey ho...
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 11, 2017, 08:58:49 AM: BAckup plan for the wings has arrived. A chap at work has a CNC hot wire cutter and he's made me some foam cors for the wings if the built up fails. They are jsut (Bright purple) foam cores so I'll still haev loads of work to do to them! (Assuming this is OK under the <25% 'bought in parts'!)

No pics yet as we aren't allowed cameras at work! ;D
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: dampfpanzerwagon on January 11, 2017, 09:07:03 AM: Stunning progress on what looks like being a winning entry.

Tony
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 11, 2017, 09:10:18 AM: Thanks... but I think there is some serious competition!
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Johnnytodd on January 11, 2017, 01:22:05 PM: Quote from: Rich H on January 11, 2017, 08:16:55 AM
Tracks are going to be 'interesting' they are 5mm wide which is fine but they have prominent guide teeth that need to be added.. 2 per track link... bu hand....
I can't think of any other way of doing them without casting (and I'm not going that far!)

Maybe use your laser cutter to make guide teeth in one continuous strip (like a very small saw blade)?
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 11, 2017, 02:04:54 PM: Sadly the teeth aren't continuous :?
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Post by: Rich H on January 11, 2017, 09:20:16 PM: Undercarriage remade and started on the tracks.

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170111_211209_zpsq7myz6xp.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170111_211209_zpsq7myz6xp.jpg.html)

They are ridiculously tiny
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170111_211242_zpswk8ozm6r.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170111_211242_zpswk8ozm6r.jpg.html)

Compared to the Centurion tracks
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170111_211632_zpsode0gfrn.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170111_211632_zpsode0gfrn.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 11, 2017, 09:46:13 PM: (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170111_214338_zpseq7bu41k.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170111_214338_zpseq7bu41k.jpg.html)

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170111_214353_zpstgstouh7.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170111_214353_zpstgstouh7.jpg.html)

Easy (!) Bit done... track guides to follow...
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 12, 2017, 07:41:28 AM: Looking quite tanky now
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170112_073854_zpscv4d8uo4.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170112_073854_zpscv4d8uo4.jpg.html)

Wing core backup plan:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170112_073837_zpsd5v9nv3i.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170112_073837_zpsd5v9nv3i.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: rnaylor on January 12, 2017, 08:55:28 AM: Looking very good Rich, look forward to seeing it "in the flesh" later
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: marianas_gamer on January 12, 2017, 10:08:57 AM: That is some damn fine work, and I mean that in multiple ways!
LB
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Remgain on January 12, 2017, 12:42:12 PM: The track are unbeliaveble!! :-* :-*
Well.. the rest as well...

Marco
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 12, 2017, 12:44:01 PM: Thanks all.

Track guides still need to go on... that will be... interesting... 2 guides per track link...
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: AKULA on January 12, 2017, 12:49:43 PM: Quote from: Rich H on January 12, 2017, 12:44:01 PM
Track guides still need to go on... that will be... interesting... 2 guides per track link...

Looking good Rich - don't think I'd have your patience with that.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 12, 2017, 12:52:35 PM: I might not either ;D

Obviously I also forgot to add weight to the hull so I'll need to cut it open and fit some ballast at some point.

Oh and top tip - don't put your newly tracked tank down in a blob of PVA overnight - It tends to stick to the build board!

No major harm done... :o
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Andym on January 12, 2017, 02:00:38 PM: Track guides, is that on the outside of the track or the runners in the middle(or both!)

Those foam wings will never hold the weight of a full tank! ;) Great work Rich! :-*
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 12, 2017, 02:07:21 PM: (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41j2bvXRHIL._SX355_.jpg)

The upper pic the two spikes go either side of the road wheels. I'm going t attempt to add them... might be a step too far though.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 13, 2017, 05:59:45 PM: Going for the easy wing option
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170113_175726_zpsxf0t3r2c.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170113_175726_zpsxf0t3r2c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: AKULA on January 13, 2017, 06:04:48 PM: The wings look great - how did you get the curve so smooth, I always struggle with foam?
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 13, 2017, 06:17:35 PM: I know a man with a cnc foam cutter which helps...

They will be covered with cloth and doped eventually.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: carlos marighela on January 13, 2017, 09:15:28 PM: Looking very good! :-*

The simplest approach is often the best.

By the by are you going to cast the tank?
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 13, 2017, 09:27:30 PM: I have a man for casting - I've done it before but he's better at it.
The canvas cover is on the wings drying then on to the varnish (can't use dope as it'll eat the foam!)

Jeff at Die Waffenkammer wants it as a master ;)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 13, 2017, 09:43:19 PM: Wings looking a bit less green/purple
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170113_213919_zpsikdmgt6t.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170113_213919_zpsikdmgt6t.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: gamer Mac on January 13, 2017, 10:06:12 PM: That looks great
Is it actually going to be able to fly with those wings?
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 13, 2017, 10:12:27 PM: lol probably not! The hull will be weighed down to keep the tail up.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Andym on January 14, 2017, 07:15:39 AM: Dam!....that's good! :o
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 14, 2017, 10:10:45 AM: (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170114_095430_zpsbaqwblbm.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170114_095430_zpsbaqwblbm.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Silent Invader on January 14, 2017, 10:15:04 AM: Very nice. :-* Please remind: what's the wing span?
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 14, 2017, 10:34:35 AM: Thanks.

About 300mm in the end. My drawing doesn't agree with the stated wingspan so I went for somewhere in the middle.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Vanvlak on January 14, 2017, 10:59:11 AM: That's superb. Now I can't decide whether I like the tank or the wings best - good job it's one model! 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: beefcake on January 14, 2017, 11:07:22 AM: Quote from: Vanvlak on January 14, 2017, 10:59:11 AM
That's superb. Now I can't decide whether I like the tank or the wings best - good job it's one model! 8) 8) 8)
Agreed, the wings are very nice too!
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Silent Invader on January 14, 2017, 11:27:19 AM: Quote from: Rich H on January 14, 2017, 10:34:35 AM
Thanks.

About 300mm in the end. My drawing doesn't agree with the stated wingspan so I went for somewhere in the middle.

I was expecting bigger but of course it's a small tank. That it looks like it could be bigger is testament to the detail and quality of your workmanship. 8)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Ballardian on January 14, 2017, 05:39:35 PM: Looks fantastic! I'm glad the tracks didn't totally destroy your sanity.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 14, 2017, 05:44:24 PM: I haven't tackled the guides yet....
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Supercollider on January 14, 2017, 07:14:47 PM: Wow! This looks amazing :)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 14, 2017, 09:03:04 PM: Thanks!

Drunk too much beer so building 6mm Finns instead tonight!

Had to rip the tail fins off and they were too big, going to carve them from balsa instead.
Debating cutting ailerons but worried about buggering it up... :o

then there is the track guides... :(
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Johnnytodd on January 14, 2017, 10:48:52 PM: Tank really looks great - I've made a few- but never as quick :-* I like the rivet technique as well.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 14, 2017, 10:50:02 PM: Thanks
the speed is just practice - I've made quite a few over the years...

http://warlordgames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=10505
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 15, 2017, 11:30:24 AM: Looking through the other entries my build is pretty bland and uninteresting!

Pity I didn't think of stretching 'flight' to 'jump' - I could have built this:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-peH4x9bMumo/Uofk5hKxx1I/AAAAAAAAB10/G7IoipCIfsE/s1600/jomp.jpg)
(https://a.d-cd.net/4bb66d6s-960.jpg)

It was an attempt at making a jumping T-26. It didn't work... ;D

Details here:
http://tankarchives.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/tanks-in-air.html
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: AWOL on January 15, 2017, 01:03:57 PM: In no world is a flying tank "bland". None.

That being said, the jumping tank would have been cool too. It's one of those wonderfully silly ideas.

Seriously impressive skills on the build as well, especially when considering the speed you're working at.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 15, 2017, 04:05:55 PM: Ta!

Wings are now built - now need detailing not that there is much to do.
Drag wires and control surfaces.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Vanvlak on January 15, 2017, 04:09:15 PM: Not just stunning, but fast too!
This is going to be spectacular when completed.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 15, 2017, 04:11:25 PM: Hope so!

Got to hack a big hole in the tank floor to fit the ballast too...
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Andym on January 15, 2017, 05:24:31 PM: Bland and uninteresting the man says! He's building a flying tank! lol

Is the jumping tank on the build list then?
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 15, 2017, 06:04:30 PM: lol probably

Progress:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170115_171143_zpsulygmghu.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170115_171143_zpsulygmghu.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on January 15, 2017, 06:55:50 PM: Looks amazing :-*
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Post by: carlos marighela on January 15, 2017, 07:33:35 PM: :-* :-* :-*

Colour me impressed!
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: tomrommel1 on January 16, 2017, 07:37:40 AM: :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Vanvlak on January 16, 2017, 07:40:27 AM: That is just grand. 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 16, 2017, 06:21:24 PM: I've strung the lift and drag wires (thread and needle!)
I've decided that the wings are too boring so I'll cut the control surfaces so I can pose them a bit.
At Air Cadets tonight so I'll do that tomorrow...
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: AKULA on January 16, 2017, 06:31:22 PM: v.impressive

8)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Mason on January 17, 2017, 07:18:16 AM: A feckin' flying tank!?!
The mind boggles.
o_o o_o o_o

Wonderful build so far iwth a most useful rivet trick to boot.
Thank you.
:D
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Hammers on January 18, 2017, 06:56:23 AM: A lovely piece of weird which you are doing much credit. True craft skills to. A top contender for the Potatoe Cup in my book.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 18, 2017, 07:23:08 AM: Ta

Despite not being finished I decided to undercoat to highlight any problems

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170118_071738_zps6r8eqgeu.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170118_071738_zps6r8eqgeu.jpg.html)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170118_071746_zpsgklyt66v.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170118_071746_zpsgklyt66v.jpg.html)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170118_071758_zps6bz3i4vr.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170118_071758_zps6bz3i4vr.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Andym on January 18, 2017, 11:54:57 AM: :o :-*

I'm struggling to find out from google, did any of these actually fly? Surely that's severely nose heavy?
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 18, 2017, 12:07:32 PM: One once maybe - wiki knows everything:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_A-40

The T-37 concept was a might more exciting:
(http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/T-37-dropped.jpg)

Left to do are the control surface hings, the servo tabs and control struts then general tidy up (the spray made my string go hairy!) Then onto paint.

Plan is a basic 'factory fresh' paint job partially because it never went anywhere and partially as if the T-60 is going to be a master it can't have much done to it!
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 19, 2017, 07:15:58 AM: Control surfaces started then a few more details to add and done... Out play testing a new Too Fat Lardies game tonight so I'll get some time on Friday.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 19, 2017, 12:53:53 PM: ~Pic from this morning after first trimp of the wing end plates:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170119_074453_zps4h5nyiuv.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170119_074453_zps4h5nyiuv.jpg.html)

The control tabs need adjusting a little then I'll reconsider the track guides...
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Mason on January 19, 2017, 01:20:57 PM: Looking good!
8) 8)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 19, 2017, 01:57:58 PM: Ta.

The front hull hooks look huge in the pic (to me anyway) so they have to go... any excuse not to do the track guides.... that no-one else will notice... o_o
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: carlos marighela on January 19, 2017, 10:53:09 PM: Methinks that if you primed em the same colour, you wouldn't notice them. Looks the dogs bollocks anyway.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: aircav on January 20, 2017, 09:35:45 AM: superb stuff :o 8) 8) :-*
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Silent Invader on January 21, 2017, 01:59:31 AM: It's looking really good 8)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Andym on January 21, 2017, 07:13:06 AM: Quote from: carlos marighela on January 19, 2017, 10:53:09 PM
Methinks that if you primed em the same colour, you wouldn't notice them. Looks the dogs bollocks anyway.

Agreed! :-*
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 21, 2017, 07:39:25 PM: (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170121_193613_zpsearm2mvb.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170121_193613_zpsearm2mvb.jpg.html)

Argh... 1.5x1.5mm triangles....
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Vanvlak on January 21, 2017, 07:53:33 PM: Argh indeed, but it looks the business - stunning! :o :-* 8)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 21, 2017, 08:09:12 PM: Half a bottle of merlot has not helped but half way there
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170121_200738_zpstcnnmsl0.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170121_200738_zpstcnnmsl0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: carlos marighela on January 21, 2017, 08:12:29 PM: Both sides for each track? I'd go nuts. Terrific work!
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 21, 2017, 08:16:50 PM: Er... maybe... not! I'll just do the outside to begin with!
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: AKULA on January 22, 2017, 12:03:38 AM: Cripes!

I wouldn't have the patience to cut all those triangles, even with a whole bottle or merlot.

Well worth the effort though Rich.

8)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 22, 2017, 12:05:46 AM: Mr Laser cutter (currently) does not get bored.... :D

But Merlot (and now Hendricks and fevertree) make positioning them tricky...
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: AKULA on January 22, 2017, 12:10:53 AM: Quote from: Rich H on January 22, 2017, 12:05:46 AM
Hendricks and fevertree

Now you're talking

:)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 22, 2017, 12:12:15 AM: Slurring my words a touch...

I'm not drunk you shilly sit. I'm jober as a sudge.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 22, 2017, 09:34:24 AM: So.... I think I'm done...mostly. The track guides are on... well the outer ones. I'm not doing the inner ones as they are mostly hidden and not easy to see.

I've got the control struts to add to the wings but that's all I think.... Oh and a few rivets probably.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Silent Invader on January 22, 2017, 09:44:38 AM: That's some attention to detail 8)

What did you fix them with? Superglue?
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 22, 2017, 10:36:26 AM: PVA for everything - superglue is far too tricky for my sausage fingers with bits this small.
Also it's very unforgiving as it bonds skin/mdf and mdf/mdf instantly...
PVA gives a strong but slow bond with a bit of flex so stops them getting knocked off too easily.

The 1mm MDF is surprisingly tough but it's got next to no strength in shear so the layers come apart.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Mason on January 22, 2017, 11:11:33 AM: Such attention to detail is commendable, Mr Merlot.
:D
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Silent Invader on January 22, 2017, 11:55:35 AM: Quote from: Rich H on January 22, 2017, 10:36:26 AM
PVA for everything - superglue is far too tricky for my sausage fingers with bits this small.
Also it's very unforgiving as it bonds skin/mdf and mdf/mdf instantly...
PVA gives a strong but slow bond with a bit of flex so stops them getting knocked off too easily.

The 1mm MDF is surprisingly tough but it's got next to no strength in shear so the layers come apart.

Aha. Thanks Rich. I hadn't considered the sheer strength of the MDF. Makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 22, 2017, 01:45:28 PM: You an toughen it up with cellulose dope, superglue or similar.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 22, 2017, 07:04:18 PM: And done! Probably.

Do you want a last pic or should I keep it secret :P
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: carlos marighela on January 22, 2017, 07:30:30 PM: Of course we want a pic. ::)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 22, 2017, 08:22:58 PM: Oh all right then...

A very lost 25pdr gunner looks on:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170122_201804_zpsva6alsdo.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170122_201804_zpsva6alsdo.jpg.html)

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170122_201825_zpsktyirkvn.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170122_201825_zpsktyirkvn.jpg.html)

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170122_201747_zpsdfgkarqz.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170122_201747_zpsdfgkarqz.jpg.html)

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/richardhumble/Mobile%20Uploads/20170122_201835_zpsuujrv7le.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/richardhumble/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170122_201835_zpsuujrv7le.jpg.html)

Going to slap some paint on next week (if I can find my 2" brush) then it's back to the Centurion!

Regards
Rich
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: carlos marighela on January 22, 2017, 09:07:12 PM: Vixe Maria! That's impressive, both in detail and size. Can't wait to see this painted up?

Question: How do you intend to depilidate the wing wires? PVA or just paint?
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 22, 2017, 09:09:19 PM: TBH I'm not sure. I might just replace them with beading wire - I suspect it'll be quicker!
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: McMordain on January 23, 2017, 12:14:36 AM: Very nice, I like the wings. And great work on those tracks :)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Vanvlak on January 23, 2017, 06:10:02 AM: That's just incredible, no wonder the gunner strolled over to have a closer look. 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Andym on January 23, 2017, 06:52:29 AM: That gunner is looking shell-shocked at the fact that someone has glued on individual track guides! Lovely! :o
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on January 23, 2017, 07:08:41 AM: lol Thanks all!
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Bergil on February 01, 2017, 12:00:31 AM: Looking forward to seeing that one painted up.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on February 01, 2017, 12:19:31 AM: Yes me too... building the Centurion until I can get into the workshop and fire up the airbrush at the weekend. Assuming I can find sufficeint 'generic soviet green' Plan is to have it 'ready for inspection, comrade!' so shiny and factory fresh!

Reasons being - I'm not great at painting and it needs to be kept clean so it can be cast in the future (the tank not the wings!)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: carlos marighela on February 01, 2017, 01:56:11 AM: Wot? You're not casting the wings as well? :D
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Bergil on February 01, 2017, 03:28:05 AM: Quote from: carlos marighela on February 01, 2017, 01:56:11 AM
Wot? You're not casting the wings as well? :D

Agreed. Those wings need casting.
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Silent Invader on February 01, 2017, 07:50:20 AM: It really is an incredible construction. :o :-*

Both in real life and as a model
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: dijit on February 02, 2017, 08:39:58 AM: That really is a beauty!
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on February 02, 2017, 10:13:23 AM: Thanks chaps

I need to find time to replace the string with wire as it's all hairy and I don't seem to be able to tidy it up.
Also need to slap some green on it at some point...

Got into building this Centurion instead...
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on February 12, 2017, 07:26:02 PM: Changed the string and started on the paint... no pics! ;)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on February 14, 2017, 12:40:51 PM: Everything has gone green...

What a fiddly git to paint with all the wires in place...
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Vanvlak on February 14, 2017, 02:22:32 PM: Quote from: Rich H on February 14, 2017, 12:40:51 PM
Everything has gone green...

What a fiddly git to paint with all the wires in place...
I really want to see this one in colour - and I'm not envying you with all the bracing!
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on February 15, 2017, 07:55:41 PM: My painting SUCKs but I'll do what I can...
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on February 16, 2017, 12:17:55 PM: Progress has been made.... of sorts :?

Best get the soft focus lens out...
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Andym on February 16, 2017, 01:40:39 PM: How many days have we to wait now? :'(
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on February 16, 2017, 03:57:09 PM: Think it's the 18th... :o

Got wargames to play (Sharp Practice 2 tonight) and domestic chores to do as well as not get distracted by my Centurion/Oxford carrier/next folly project...

It's simply green with wood coloured wood bits and rust coloured rusty bits (tracks/exhaust).
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Dr Mathias on February 16, 2017, 07:57:44 PM: Great work on an ambitious project!
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on February 17, 2017, 01:04:28 AM: Paint almost done... decals on. Just the final bits. It looks better than I'd hoped/feared ;D

Just the pics to go. Might have to get her tripod out.. :o
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: carlos marighela on February 17, 2017, 06:54:04 AM: Get cracking man, it's the 18th here already! :)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Poiter50 on February 17, 2017, 07:07:11 AM: Umm, no it's not and we are only 3 hours behind you.

Quote from: carlos marighela on February 17, 2017, 06:54:04 AM
Get cracking man, it's the 18th here already! :)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Andym on February 17, 2017, 09:58:16 AM: I think a whole sub-section of the LAF membership just panicked at that statement! :o
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on February 17, 2017, 10:22:24 AM: Certainly clenched... :o
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Dr Mathias on February 17, 2017, 03:09:00 PM: Quote from: Rich H on February 17, 2017, 10:22:24 AM
Certainly clenched... :o
lol
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on February 17, 2017, 07:44:00 PM: Struggling to get a decent piccy now!
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on February 17, 2017, 10:37:51 PM: Done! Pic sent in! :o

It's all over bar the shouting :D

(Back to the Centurion!)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on March 12, 2017, 09:51:06 AM: I'll post some pics once the compo is done but the tank has gone to Canada for casting :D
Not the wings though! (Not yet at least)
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Dr Mathias on March 12, 2017, 03:21:12 PM: Quote from: Rich H on March 12, 2017, 09:51:06 AM
I'll post some pics once the compo is done but the tank has gone to Canada for casting :D
Not the wings though! (Not yet at least)

Cool, it deserves reproduction. Excellent build!
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Andym on March 12, 2017, 03:43:55 PM: Quote from: Dr Mathias on March 12, 2017, 03:21:12 PM
Cool, it deserves reproduction. Excellent build!

I couldn't agree more! I love the way you build your models Rich! The accuracy and attention to detail is best, bar none!
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on March 12, 2017, 06:57:34 PM: Thanks chaps!
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: carlos marighela on March 12, 2017, 08:04:58 PM: Quote from: Rich H on March 12, 2017, 09:51:06 AM
I'll post some pics once the compo is done but the tank has gone to Canada for casting :D
Not the wings though! (Not yet at least)

Surface post then? :D
Title: Re: Rich H's Build Something Entry - Antonov A-40
Post by: Rich H on March 12, 2017, 08:06:01 PM: With Canada post it's more likely to be hot air balloon.