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Other Stuff => Workbench => "Build Something" Archiv => Topic started by: Overlord on January 07, 2017, 08:15:56 PM
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In the hope that this might finally get my Dune-esque Sci-Fi project going I intend to build an ornithopter.
EDIT: This how now become a Dropship, but I will leave the initial thoughts here for completeness.
The problem is the potential design directions to go in. I do rather like the Lynch movie depiction, even though its not entirely in keeping with the books, particularly in terms of the hardware. The miniatures I have mostly take their inspiration from the film. I also have the Akula Attreides 'thopter, which is close to the movie version.
Various concepts form a variety of sources:
Illustrated Dune (1978):
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zLSdRbIA7qs/THKWBtdqS1I/AAAAAAAAFRA/-1jlCxzEYTo/s640/11+ORNITHOPTER.jpg) (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qFe97FmUTY4/THKc4nnbRfI/AAAAAAAAFRw/OJQD1IaKHoc/s640/17+THE+STRANGE+%2527THOPTER.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Hgo68cimzcI/THKfY6g8i4I/AAAAAAAAFSA/KqQ3IVScbZI/s640/19+THE+SARDUAKAR+WARRIORS.jpg) (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_PCeESP7ZFc/THKfZNEDsyI/AAAAAAAAFSI/KHU9lns9ggI/s640/20+THE+FLIGHT+THROUGH+THE+SHIELD+WALL.jpg)
From Frank Herbert's Dune World by John Schoenherr:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RbVaXSovrEw/Sw0lJCdUybI/AAAAAAAADa8/tDYxqzNyy00/s640/Analog+Jan+1964+Dune+John+Schoenherr+4.jpg)
Concept from Jodorowky's Dune:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/5b/1b/b7/5b1bb724de96357d5e8e9c7375318774.jpg)
Insect-like concepts:
(https://lurkerablog.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/ornithopter.jpg) (http://www.duneinfo.com/Content/images/unseen/jodorowskys-dune-uncovered/part-32/ornithopter.jpg)
Bird-like concepts:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5b/79/c8/5b79c8ffe3b9a970c1418e3649068cea.jpg) (http://www.duneinfo.com/Content/images/michael-stribling/thopter.jpg)
Ultimately I'm still not sure quite which way to go. Maybe I will just wing it........ ;)
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Some lovely inspiration there Paul 8) 8)
Looking forward to seeing what you do.
cheers
James
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Love Dune, and love this idea, Paul.
Good luck.
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Cool idea
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I really look forward to seeing your take on this
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I think overall, the Dune game by Cryos Interactive had the best design.
(https://abload.de/img/duneornithopterpqk15.png)
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I'm watching this with great interest - I discarded some of those images as being too complicated for me and chose a blockier design which is not very Dune-ish, so I'm looking forward to seeing what you produce. I hadn't seen the Jodorowski one, which IS rather nice - although so are most of the others too. We need to create an Ornithopter Construction Society and build every single one of them! :D
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Looking forward to this mate! I think Chernos one from the Dune game would probably be the most realistic and (maybe) easiest to do, but I do love this design....
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a605/andymac2105/Mobile%20Uploads/75643DC1-A238-4D25-BB8F-757A18115478_zpsssdaaxnj.jpg) (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/andymac2105/media/Mobile%20Uploads/75643DC1-A238-4D25-BB8F-757A18115478_zpsssdaaxnj.jpg.html)
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great inspiration
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A bit of a slow start for me. Currently painting unrelated stuff, so need to finish that to give me the space to build. Hopefully in the next couple of days.
I have however been giving the build some thought. My initial idea was to go for something fairly simple; a single seat (1 'arm' instead of 2) recce craft based on the Harkonnen 'thopter from the film.
Dodgy mock-up:
(http://scale-icons.weebly.com/uploads/2/6/7/6/26766741/4165276.jpg) (http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_21_01_17_4_25_17_0.jpg)
However its not very original and, compared to the other builds already underway, rather underwhelming.
Having re-read some of the original book for descriptions, 'thopters read as more bird-like in flight than the insectoid designs that I was initially tending towards, and whilst finishing off some Christmas chocs an idea occurred....
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_21_01_17_4_25_17_4.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_21_01_17_4_25_17_1.jpg)(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_21_01_17_4_25_17_3.jpg)
(Unpainted Sid the Sardaukar for scale)
The mock-up is a bit too bird-like currently, but I hope to make the model a bit more tech/sci-fi looking (especially the tail and wings) and more straight-lined. Its larger than I was intending, but will represent a Harkonnen/Imperial style Assault 'Thopter. Hence the forward facing ramp, so that the Sardaukar can run headlong into combat as soon as it touches down. A Chinook style rear ramp just didn't seem right and this 'sit-up' design continues a bird of prey look that follows the avian theme. I also became increasingly aware than it shares much with the dropship from Aliens, but that wasn't a conscious decision on my part.
The model will be in plastic card (and foamed PVC?) and bigger than anything I have built previously with this media. ::)
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I would have loved to see the "one armed" Harkonnen thopter, but your new idea is intriguing.
Looking forward to seeing the execution.
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I'd recommend you do both :D - one for the BSC and one later.
They're both rather cool.
And - chocs, mmm! :-*
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All good ideas begin with chocolate.
Nice mock up.
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Knowing your skills, I'm sure which ever version you do, it'll look great when finished!
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Knowing your skills, I'm sure which ever version you do, it'll look great when finished!
Wot he said.
:D
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Wot he said.
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Wot he said.
:D
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I have finally cleared my painting desk sufficiently to start construction:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/overlord_awc/BSC%20-%20LAF/2017-%20Ornithopter/Dropship001_zpsujygu84r.jpg)
This is the largest item I have attempted to build with plastic card. All my previous experience is with smaller items or flat building frontage masters. It has therefore already been a bit of a learning experience.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/overlord_awc/BSC%20-%20LAF/2017-%20Ornithopter/Dropship002_zpsicljkil6.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/overlord_awc/BSC%20-%20LAF/2017-%20Ornithopter/Dropship005_zps92a3ay2d.jpg)
However, I'm not at all happy with the design. It is much too angular and looks more like the bastard offspring of the Aliens dropship and Thunderbird 2. :?
I will continue, but building a Dropship rather than the originally envisaged Ornithopter, as the current shape/design fits that much better. I have a bunch of Copplestone FW Troopers that are badly in need of some transport.
Likely something more like this?:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/overlord_awc/BSC%20-%20LAF/2017-%20Ornithopter/Dropship003_zpsj1aiiz4p.jpg)
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I really like the 'new' design: looks the perfect shape for dropping out of the belly of a transporter 8)
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Stage 1 reminds me of the Eagle Transporters from Space 1999 :D
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I like where you are going with this, mate.
Very promising indeed.
8) 8)
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Very dropship-like keep going
:)
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Looks great to me!
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Good to change the outcome if you're not "feeling" it. I think your original idea still has merit, and you were right starting with the cabin to build the rest to get good proportions. IMHO and based on the one photo I think you built the cabin too wide and angular for an Ornithopter.
However, the dropship looks promising.
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I wouldn't worry too much mate! I take it there will be gubbins to add to the surrounding bulkhead around the cockpit module? If you are concerned, could you not add maybe foamed pvc or thick plastic card to the sides of the cockpit module and sand the edges to give a nice curved look? But just the sides mind you, I really like the shape of it and where your going!
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Stage 1 reminds me of the Eagle Transporters from Space 1999 :D
I said the same thing!!
Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/
(http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww213/mikedemana/Miscellaneous/LPL_bades_zpsl7op2jaz.jpg)
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Thanks for the feedback. :)
A bit more progress has been made. I spent quite a while sorting out the landing gear and ended up with something a bit more complicated than I had intended, but happy with how it has turned out.
The orange bits are cut down covers from inkjet cartridges:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_30_01_17_6_45_33_0.jpg) (http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_30_01_17_6_45_33_1.jpg)
Everything else is plastic card/tubing and brass rod for strength:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_30_01_17_6_45_33_2.jpg)
Each foot has 3 'jointed' supports, but its hard to show it clearly from a single angle. The brass rod will fit into mounting points drilled in the bottom of the hull.
Hopefully I can crack on with the rest of the build now. I didn't want to complete the main body until I knew if the landing gear would work and how it would fit into the underside. I have a pretty good idea of how the rest of the model will come together. Up until now I have been rather making it up as I went along, which makes for an imperfect design. I have however rather enjoyed working with plastic card on a larger build.
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Ingenious modelling Paul. I am in awe of people who can model with such precision 8)
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They look great!
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Ingenious modelling Paul. I am in awe of people who can model with such precision 8)
This! I would have glued my fingers together and more than likely cut the end of one off. The model would still look shit. Very nice work mate.
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Lovely detailed work :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Lovely design on that landing gear 8)
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Thanks for the feedback. :)
A bit more progress has been made. I spent quite a while sorting out the landing gear and ended up with something a bit more complicated than I had intended, but happy with how it has turned out.
The orange bits are cut down covers from inkjet cartridges:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_30_01_17_6_45_33_0.jpg) (http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_30_01_17_6_45_33_1.jpg)
Everything else is plastic card/tubing and brass rod for strength:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_30_01_17_6_45_33_2.jpg)
Each foot has 3 'jointed' supports, but its hard to show it clearly from a single angle. The brass rod will fit into mounting points drilled in the bottom of the hull.
Hopefully I can crack on with the rest of the build now. I didn't want to complete the main body until I knew if the landing gear would work and how it would fit into the underside. I have a pretty good idea of how the rest of the model will come together. Up until now I have been rather making it up as I went along, which makes for an imperfect design. I have however rather enjoyed working with plastic card on a larger build.
Great work on those legs and ingenious use of materials.
Well done.
Tony
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A bit of a slow start for me. Currently painting unrelated stuff, so need to finish that to give me the space to build. Hopefully in the next couple of days.
I have however been giving the build some thought. My initial idea was to go for something fairly simple; a single seat (1 'arm' instead of 2) recce craft based on the Harkonnen 'thopter from the film.
Dodgy mock-up:
(http://scale-icons.weebly.com/uploads/2/6/7/6/26766741/4165276.jpg) (http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_21_01_17_4_25_17_0.jpg)
However its not very original and, compared to the other builds already underway, rather underwhelming.
Having re-read some of the original book for descriptions, 'thopters read as more bird-like in flight than the insectoid designs that I was initially tending towards, and whilst finishing off some Christmas chocs an idea occurred....
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_21_01_17_4_25_17_4.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_21_01_17_4_25_17_1.jpg)(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_21_01_17_4_25_17_3.jpg)
(Unpainted Sid the Sardaukar for scale)
The mock-up is a bit too bird-like currently, but I hope to make the model a bit more tech/sci-fi looking (especially the tail and wings) and more straight-lined. Its larger than I was intending, but will represent a Harkonnen/Imperial style Assault 'Thopter. Hence the forward facing ramp, so that the Sardaukar can run headlong into combat as soon as it touches down. A Chinook style rear ramp just didn't seem right and this 'sit-up' design continues a bird of prey look that follows the avian theme. I also became increasingly aware than it shares much with the dropship from Aliens, but that wasn't a conscious decision on my part.
The model will be in plastic card (and foamed PVC?) and bigger than anything I have built previously with this media. ::)
Love your mock ups.
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Genius.
Love the landing gear
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Love those landing gears. Nice job! :)
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Wow - they look great!
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Ingenious modelling Paul. I am in awe of people who can model with such precision 8)
I am with the Captain on this one.
Cracking landing gear.
I am definitely more from the Bodgit and Scarper School of Construction.
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:-* You could win with just the landing gear - quite smashing
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Man, those landing gear just LOOK like they flex. Awesome work...! :-*
Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/
(http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww213/mikedemana/Miscellaneous/LPL_bades_zpsl7op2jaz.jpg)
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Genius.
Love the landing gear
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Agreed! An entry full of win! :-*
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You should put those landing gear parts in production 8) 8) 8)
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Ingenious modelling Paul. I am in awe of people who can model with such precision 8)
What he said. Amazing so far. :-*
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Interesting design, the landing gear is certainly "a nice set of legs" :)
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Those landing gears alone are enough to get my vote everytime.
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Ingenious modelling Paul. I am in awe of people who can model with such precision 8)
Thank you (and all the other kind comments). We each have our strengths; I wish I could paint like you! The great thing about the forum is that we all get to display our varied abilities and be encouraged along the way. This BSC contest is a great example of that.
Cracking landing gear.
I am definitely more from the Bodgit and Scarper School of Construction.
I tend to "see it in my head" most of the time. This time the Ornithopter vibe just wasn't happening so I went for something that seemed a bit more suitable to what I had started. However, the landing gear was a bit complex to do ad hoc so I actually laid out the design (and to ensure repeatability for multiple components)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_02_02_17_12_42_27_1.jpg)
I have now done some detailing on the underside of the main body (the gear is loosely placed, so apologies if it appears slightly wonky):
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_02_02_17_12_42_27_0.jpg)
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Looks great - the gear in particular looks like it would work in real life.
:)
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Fantastic! :o Where do you get all your gubbins from?
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I have now done some detailing on the underside of the main body (the gear is loosely placed, so apologies if it appears slightly wonky):
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_02_02_17_12_42_27_0.jpg)
Oh, shiny! :)
How do you cut the plastic tubes? I have problems cutting them straight with a knife.
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Just for a moment there, in my 'new replies to your posts' screen, I read that as 'Overlord's Droppings' :D
Sorry about that...
Looking blimmin' marvellous Paul 8)
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Looks great! Thanks for the build tips too.
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Detailing the bottom, that's dedication right there.
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Fantastic! :o Where do you get all your gubbins from?
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_02_02_17_3_35_36.jpg)
Everything else is plastic card (plain or embossed), rod, tube or strip. Orange bits are cut-down printer catridge blanking covers. I have lots of old spare kit bits, off-cuts, odds'n'ends, etc most of which I keep "just in case I need them at some future point"
Detailing the bottom, that's dedication right there.
I would know if it wasn't there. ::)
How do you cut the plastic tubes? I have problems cutting them straight with a knife.
A sharp modelling knife and metal ruler. A set square to ensure square cuts. For tubes or rod I roll the piece with the edge of the blade using gentle pressure at first; it then either cuts clean or can be snapped with a clean edge.
Just for a moment there, in my 'new replies to your posts' screen, I read that as 'Overlord's Droppings' :D
Sorry about that...
No it's a Drop-SHIP lol
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Thanks! I'll look into getting some of those vents now!
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More amazing landing gear.
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Got a little bit more done yesterday. Added the stub wings:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_05_02_17_2_39_25_0.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_05_02_17_2_39_25_1.jpg)
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I'm really liking the cockpit - the utilitarian look works really well for a dropship, I think. It does really look like something that's meant to come down and deliver a bunch of unpleasant buggers.
Also respect for detailing the underside to that extent! I might take some inspiration from your landing gear legs, those are amazing.
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Very nice - looking forward to seeing this done. 8) 8) 8)
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Started on the engines:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_05_02_17_8_48_20.jpg)
Two old marker pens, plastic girder plastic card and toothpaste tube tops ( but no sticky-back plastic! lol )
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Ingenious scavenging :)
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Someone else with precise plasticard cutting, I just can't do it so I'm regularly impressed seeing it done so well!
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Started on the engines:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_05_02_17_8_48_20.jpg)
Two old marker pens, plastic girder plastic card and toothpaste tube tops ( but no sticky-back plastic! lol )
Oh, I'm disappointed - No sticky-back plastic!
Looking great.
Tony
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Minor progress on the engines; wrapped the pens in thin plastic card and added the resin intakes
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_07_02_17_12_31_39_0.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_07_02_17_12_31_39_1.jpg)
Added the basic tail pieces:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_07_02_17_12_31_39_2.jpg)
Finished off the wings and continued the lines of the cockpit rearwards (trying to make it appear less "boxy"):
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_07_02_17_12_31_39_3.jpg)
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Looks great 8)
How did you stick the plasticard to the pens?
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Absolutely brill thread - I'm knicking ideas here for my (eventual and totally theoretical at the moment) 1/300 landing ship. The landing gear are really fantastic, and those toothpaste lids are inspired. Perfect.
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I am impressed by your skills in finding and using scraps. A historical model makes it more difficult, imo, to be creative.
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How did you stick the plasticard to the pens?
The 2 pens were fixed to the plastic girder with UHU, as the rough bond would be hidden by the next stage. I then stuck one end of the sheet to a pen with superglue then, once it had dried, wrapped the pre-curved card around and glued the overlapping plastic card (hidden on the underside) with EMA Plasweld.
I am impressed by your skills in finding and using scraps. A historical model makes it more difficult, imo, to be creative.
A completely fictitious model means no-one can tell you where you are making a mistake. :D
It also allows you to use any component you think fits in, rather than having to find something (or build something) that matches a component in a real item. I admire any build in this contest re-creating a documented (real or imagined) craft.
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I have now added a couple of intakes to improve the look of the nose end:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_10_02_17_3_24_31_2.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_10_02_17_3_24_31_3.jpg)
The engines have been attached and rear fuselage completed:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_10_02_17_3_24_31_1.jpg)
It now needs all the details adding:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_10_02_17_3_24_31_0.jpg)
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Lovely lines, Paul 8)
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Marvellous.
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Love it! :-* those intakes add soooo much to the overall look! 8)
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Great scratchbuilding, following this with interest!
Cheers!
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Apart from one small detail (still waiting the required component) the build is now completed:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_15_02_17_3_50_08_4.jpg) (http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_15_02_17_3_50_08_1.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_15_02_17_3_52_46_0.jpg) (http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_15_02_17_3_52_46_3.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_15_02_17_3_54_01_0.jpg) (http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_15_02_17_3_52_46_1.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_15_02_17_3_50_08_0.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_15_02_17_3_50_08_2.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_15_02_17_3_52_46_2.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_15_02_17_3_54_01_1.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_15_02_17_3_54_02_2.jpg)
The completed model in its Really Useful (9L) hangar:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_15_02_17_3_54_02_3.jpg) (http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_15_02_17_3_54_02_4.jpg)
Going to be pushed for time with the painting as I'm likely to be busy with work between now and the closing time. ::)
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It looks great. I hope you get it painted up in time.
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LOVE!.......IT! :-* The back engine compartment is my favourite single piece of it. I love the angles of it all AND the perfect amount of gubbins!
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LOVE!.......IT! :-* The back engine compartment is my favourite single piece of it. I love the angles of it all AND the perfect amount of gubbins!
I couldn't agree more.
A wonderful finished article.
8) :-* 8)
Oh, and the fact that the Really Useful Hangar Company have made a product to fit it perfectly is a sure sign that they fully expect to see many thousands go into production.
:D
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Great stuff Paul
Does the big hatch on the bottom open into a ramp?
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Looking at it again, I think you need to call it The Beagle Dropship. ;)
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Now I need a hanger too! 8)
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Looking at it again, I think you need to call it The Beagle Dropship. ;)
Given it was rather made up as I went along it's more of a mongrel. :)
Does the big hatch on the bottom open into a ramp?
The component I was waiting for, neodymium magnets, arrived this morning. I now have a ramp that opens & closes:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_15_02_17_3_23_37_0.jpg) (http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_15_02_17_3_23_37_1.jpg)
Ideally I need to spray undercoat it this afternoon, but cold damp weather isn't ideal.... ::)
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Fantastic!
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Magnificent!
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Liking the detail of the landing support struts.
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I'd hate to be the pilot charged with landing inside that hangar....No room for error!
Absolutely outstanding looking ship. Would fit right in to many ship designs I've seen on multiple sci-fi shows.
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Excellent work
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The ramp looks great :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Makes sense of the higher front gear
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Awesome! :o
I really like the detailing.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_15_02_17_3_54_01_1.jpg)
But to be honest the uneven lines of the front bothers me to no end. It looks like he is snarling though :)
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Human eye is a bastard for parallel lines... I bet if you measure the asymmetry it'll be something like .5 of a mm.
Still looks great though!
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Superb, another winner in my book. :-*
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Thanks for all the kind feedback. :)
The ramp looks great :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Makes sense of the higher front gear
It's the reason it has the nose high position. Otherwise, to give the exiting troops clear headroom (longer rear gear) it would look even more ungainly and have a ridiculously steep ramp angle; more like an escape slide! It also somewhat mimics the mantling of a bird of prey and (at least in my mind) looks a bit more "tactical".
But to be honest the uneven lines of the front bothers me to no end. It looks like he is snarling though :)
It isn't apparent on the model. I think it's the camera perspective that gives the illusion that it is a bit wonky. That 'head-on' pic isn't truly in line; If you look at the gear position, the rear is slightly offset to the left. In reality the centre pillar of the windscreen is completely in line with the centre of the top engines.
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Fandabadozi! Love it :-*
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Brilliant
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One last pic before the deadline:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/27/369_18_02_17_6_56_09_0.jpg)
Undercoated, now rushing to finish the paintjob and photograph. 5 1/2 hours and counting...... :o
I have really enjoyed building the dropship, even though it didn't start out as that! I have never built anything this big with plastic card and it has been a voyage of discovery and trial & error but very interesting. If I knew at the start what I knew now it would be a rather different design, but I am pleased how it has turned out given the haphazard design and build process. The next one should be better.... ;)
Good luck to everyone else with finishing and the contest. Its been great to follow all the build threads and I can't wait to see the finished items (now or later).
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One last pic before the deadline:
Amazing work Overlord. That is quite an impressive undertaking and an awesome addition to any table.
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It looks really good already, I can't wait to see it in color. :)
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That's cracking Paul. It's got a proper 'production model' look about it.
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Very impressive.
Tony
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Top stuff!
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Brilliant Paul! :-* Its amazing how a coat of primer brings all the separate parts together! I can't wait to see the final photos!
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Awesome!