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Miniatures Adventure => Railway Wargaming => Topic started by: Helen on February 23, 2009, 10:02:41 AM
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Well, it goes like this, as I was panning through various forums searching for selected articles for research I found these wonderful links and photos:
WW I , World War I in Asia, Aug - Nov 1914, Tsingtao the battlefield:
http://community.webshots.com/album/548305035mkUkbV
Jordan Front:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=80&t=149091
Here is the link (below) from where these photos came from and pick a year (click on the thum nail to enlarge) 1918 is a good year, but so are the rest of the war years:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_the_German_Federal_Archive,_year_1919
Captured Armoured Lorry (interesting read an one for the folks who enjoy there desert games with trains):
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=80&t=149556
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s266/HelenBachaus/P8260310_captured-armoured-truck_Am.jpg)
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s266/HelenBachaus/P8260255_cleared-wrecked-train-at-M.jpg)
Please enjoy,
Helen
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already doing madam, thx
what could these big boxes on the flatcar be for?
water tanks?
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water tanks, over axles.. gives a lot of weight.
Were they using pressure sensitive mines on railway tracks?
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wouldn't think so
but anyway every steam Loco is twice the weight of such watertanks at least
so detonating under the engine would be more interesting and then keeping the water ;)
but indeed, liquid is the heaviest freight available, so this must be the end of the train
and interesting, that the assault wagon is apparently guarding the water
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The light flat wagon, unloaded, would be very easy to derail if travelling at the front of the train. I would imagine that the extra weight would keep it on the tracks better. Where is the loco in this picture?
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yup
there isn't any loco to be seen, that's why I assumed the end of the train to be in thepicture
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I presumed the white blob was the armoured lorry.... (limited) motive power and armour?
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it is indeed, but even if self propelled, I hardly believe it can push/pull loaded freight carriages
it looks motorized though
at that time, such engines were customized truck eingines
Zaamuretz had two
the custom built austian one with two cannon turret bogies is the only one which incorporates a full diesel LOCO to my knowledge
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If you follow the link Helen supplied it explains a bit more -
"The next picture shows some of the recovered wagons at Mafraq station awaiting removal by the recovery train which was just a few metres to the left of this picture."
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hmmm
interesting
so far for educated guesses ;)
it says thet the armoured trolley was able to pull the empty water waggon, but could move it filled only due to a favourable slope
very inspiring pics
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did not know where to put it, so I thought I make a slight jump back in time and join
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWiWJeoXLGY
filming of the armoured train scene for "Young Winston"
haven't seen the movie - was the scene set in South Africa ?
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was the scene set in South Africa ?
Itīs in Wales.
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Itīs in Wales.
I think heīs referring to where the sequences are supposed to take place in the movieīs plot - which is indeed South Africa during the Boer War of 1899-1902 (IIRC), as it recounts a quite famous episode of Sir Winstonīs life.
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I think heīs referring to where the sequences are supposed to take place in the movieīs plot - which is indeed South Africa during the Boer War of 1899-1902 (IIRC), as it recounts a quite famous episode of Sir Winstonīs life.
Accepted, though the scen still looks like in Wales. Although Iīve never been to South Africa and canīt tell whether it looks like in Wales or not. However the train looks British.
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Accepted, though the scen still looks like in Wales. Although Iīve never been to South Africa and canīt tell whether it looks like in Wales or not. However the train looks British.
Of course it looks like Wales since it was filmed in Wales... ;) but itīs meant to be a British armoured train during the Boer War. From what I gather, around the rivers, the Cape Province could be rather green, similar to Northern Africa at times of the year. I donīt recall that much of "Young Winston" since itīs been a good 10 years since I last saw it, but I recall the train sequences to be more arid. But that may be my brain running wild and/or growing old (delete as applicable).
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I think it read it was shot in SA
not sure if I recognize the narrow Cape gauge
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I think it read it was shot in SA
not sure if I recognize the narrow Cape gauge
Well, since Cape Gauge is 1067mm compared to standard gaugeīs 1435 and therefore not as visibly narrower (as, say, 2ft narrow gauge), itīs hard to tell the to apart from photos or videos alone. I donīt think they would have gone to those lengths at the time, and I wonder if a producer would do today.
From what I know, the train scenes were shot in Penwylt, Wales. Maybe itīs "Zulu" youīre referring to? That one was shot in Natal (IIRC).
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my mistake, got things mixed up - I reread the Youtibe Info, sorry (think the mix was with "Ghost and the Darkness" ;))
however, on recognizing, gauges - take a closer look here, Dr. Zhivago, shot in Spain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRXKHTTzayU
this clip ia a favourite, cause I like to give an example of how realistic broader gauge can look (my 0 gauge ;))
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And to think that Spain had even wider gauge than Russia (alright, 1672mm compared to 1524mm, so itīs not that much, but still!)! o_o
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I think it is visible, or is it just our trained eyes?
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I think it is visible, or is it just our trained eyes?
I think one can distinguish wide gauge from standard gauge, as you can with meter gauge and standard gauge. It looks a bit odd at first glance. Itīs far more difficult to spot the various "in-betweens" or peripheral gauges.
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exactly my thoughts - "now that train looks a little bit wide, and the track too. hmm OK, Russian track... no bollocks, they didn't shoot Shivago in Russia (quick look up at imdb) - yup, Spain"
there is even a "sightseeing" clip on Youtube, were a Spanish edited clips from Shivago and subtitled them with the shooting locations - blows away all the russian atmosphere, cause for me it looked very "russian"
But the "armoured train" looks really .... bizarre, like from an opera ;)