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Miniatures Adventure => Post-Apocalyptic Tales => Topic started by: Darkoath on February 26, 2009, 04:42:07 AM
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Just got this email...
Thank you again for your pre-order for the very first Liberty and Union League submission to cross the 1000 sprue mark and make it into hard plastic!
The interest was so strong with this one that our retailers and distributors have asked us to make this into a packaged product for them. So you have two choices for your pre-orders.
You can take them by the sprue (loose sprues) for $5 each here:
http://www.wargamesfactory.com/_product_35779/Zombies!_Sprue
OR...you can get our new pack which has 4 sprues for $17.95 and save 10%:
http://www.wargamesfactory.com/_product_16676/Zombie_Horde
Thanks again for making this a reality!
All the best,
Tony
Tony Reidy
Wargames Factory
http://www.wargamesfactory.com
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I ordered mine... will post some pictures when they arrive.
Akula are you going to beef up your hoard? :D
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Hah, I love that they actually had to point out that the head renders were larger than they'd be in the box!*grin*
Well done on this, guys who voted for it. I prefer a different type of Zombie, but these are pretty darn good just the same. One of them looks -suspiciously- like a Zombie Chuck Norris..;)
-Doc
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I'm hoping for some IRL pics soon but still, getting this far gets a *thumbs up* from me
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I ordered mine... will post some pictures when they arrive.
Akula are you going to beef up your hoard? :D
I'll wait and see what the pictures of actual minis look like, as i can't stand the "rendered" stuff. ;) They are cheap, but frankly look cheap from the renders, and have the potential hassle factor of assembly, compared to metal minis (some of which are actually comprable in price, and potentially quality.
No one would be more happy than me, if the actual minis turn out to be good - in which case i'll buy lots....and lots....and....
Another 30 zeds on the paint table, and another 30 after that to keep me occupied in the meantime.... should hit the 250 mark in the next week or so.
:)
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I ordered a box. I have no idea where I'll get the time to paint them or really what I'd use them for if I ever do, but, you know... ;D
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Darkoath, can you please post some shots of the sprues as well as the "finished" zeds? I like the idea of multi part, but want to see what the parts look like. :D
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They are very well priced at 24 Zeds for $17.95. Half the price of the GW zombies I'm using now....that good enough for me to buy.
TT.
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Very good point TT, they can't possibly be as bad either..
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How can you guys be saying that this is good value when there arent even any frikken pictures of the zombies? Also, the feedback on the romans has been really bad and the celts look simply AWFUL. Seems odd to me that anyone would even consider buying models without actually seeing what they look like! Especially from a company that has an already shacky range. But hey, thats just me...
I mean if you want REALLY good value for money for zombies then just take your modelling knife to your lead mountain (you know the one I mean!), hack up those models you ALREADY have and paint them as dead dudes!
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I consider buying, but i have to see decent pics first..
wouldn't dream of buying them unseen..
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How can you guys be saying that this is good value when there arent even any frikken pictures of the zombies? Also, the feedback on the romans has been really bad and the celts look simply AWFUL. Seems odd to me that anyone would even consider buying models without actually seeing what they look like! Especially from a company that has an already shacky range. But hey, thats just me...
I mean if you want REALLY good value for money for zombies then just take your modelling knife to your lead mountain (you know the one I mean!), hack up those models you ALREADY have and paint them as dead dudes!
Indeed!
What's wrong with the GW ones?
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I don't know why people bag so much on WF's stuff. I think they look good. Certainly better than alot of metal manufacturer's I've seen. Except for the brit firing line.
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I think they look good. Certainly better than alot of metal manufacturer's I've seen.
Out of interest, which manufacturers?
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have you seen old gory miniatures.....?
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I find all this debate about the quality of the figures a bit strange… From what I’ve seen, the WF Roman, if very well painted, fit the bill perfectly. I think that some of the people rattling about these figures are either unable to take the time to bring the figures to an acceptable level by using different painting techniques or too lazy to do so… I mean, it’s easy to do a good painting job on a perfectly sculpted figure but to do so, on a less than perfect one, need some time and some commitment. Everyone’s entitled to an opinion, you can like the figures or not, you have the right to say so but it seem a bit strange to go down on those who are willing to take the plunge and accept the challenge. For short, I’ve seen very lazy paint job ruining Perry’s miniatures and really good paint job bring Old Glory figures (and the like) to life.
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have you seen old gory miniatures.....?
Heh, yeah, I'll agree some of Old Glory's are worse, but that's hardly 'alot' of manufacturers, is it?
@Calimero; a paint job may fix the detail issues, but it’s the figure’s proportions that I really dislike. Have you seen their Zulus? They remind me of GW’s plastic Catachans, which is not a good thing...
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you shouldn't need to fix issues in a poorly sculpted figure with the paint job... and it's a hell of a paint job that can fix the flat pin heads of the Zulu War Brits.
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I personally dont like the plastic ranges available (other than the Perry ones they seem to have got them right) nor do i like old glory,and there are a lot of inferior figures out there ,but each to his own and I know lots of people that buy the cheapest figures no matter what because they just cant paint so any figure would look poor. So I think if a figure is bought by anyone for whatever reason then it can only be good for our hobby, which seems to be growing at the moment. :)
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An interesting discussion, gents.
It's good to be able to sell 12,000 zombies on the day they come out :D
That's before the distributors and retailers pick them up. Or, indeed, before we have pictures posted (the figures only arrived on Wednesday). Tony is apparently the world's worst photographer as he confesses (and I confirm it - why is your thumb in there, and why is it blurred?)
I expect to have a package of figures on Monday. I'll try and take some photos that are halfway decent, although my own pics are less than award-winning.
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have you seen old gory miniatures.....?
Heh, yeah, I'll agree some of Old Glory's are worse, but that's hardly 'alot' of manufacturers, is it?
@Calimero; a paint job may fix the detail issues, but it’s the figure’s proportions that I really dislike. Have you seen their Zulus? They remind me of GW’s plastic Catachans, which is not a good thing...
Hmmm.... wasn't it you who asked what's wrong with GW's zombies? If you don't like the plastic catachans, how can you suggest people should use the zombieswhich are FAR worse models??
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have you seen old gory miniatures.....?
Heh, yeah, I'll agree some of Old Glory's are worse, but that's hardly 'alot' of manufacturers, is it?
@Calimero; a paint job may fix the detail issues, but it’s the figure’s proportions that I really dislike. Have you seen their Zulus? They remind me of GW’s plastic Catachans, which is not a good thing...
Hmmm.... wasn't it you who asked what's wrong with GW's zombies? If you don't like the plastic catachans, how can you suggest people should use the zombieswhich are FAR worse models??
Honestly, I'm not entirely sure what the GW Zombies look like, I haven’t seen any in ages. Except for some heads I've lying around which I rather like the look of. ‘spose I can’t really answer that one, although I’m sure both sets are awful (Crapachans and Zombies)...
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How can you guys be saying that this is good value when there arent even any frikken pictures of the zombies? Also, the feedback on the romans has been really bad and the celts look simply AWFUL. Seems odd to me that anyone would even consider buying models without actually seeing what they look like! Especially from a company that has an already shacky range. But hey, thats just me...
I mean if you want REALLY good value for money for zombies then just take your modelling knife to your lead mountain (you know the one I mean!), hack up those models you ALREADY have and paint them as dead dudes!
Indeed!
What's wrong with the GW ones?
He meant the WF ones. He didn't mention the GW ones. ;)
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How can you guys be saying that this is good value when there arent even any frikken pictures of the zombies? Also, the feedback on the romans has been really bad and the celts look simply AWFUL. Seems odd to me that anyone would even consider buying models without actually seeing what they look like! Especially from a company that has an already shacky range. But hey, thats just me...
I mean if you want REALLY good value for money for zombies then just take your modelling knife to your lead mountain (you know the one I mean!), hack up those models you ALREADY have and paint them as dead dudes!
Indeed!
What's wrong with the GW ones?
He meant the WF ones. He didn't mention the GW ones. ;)
I was referring to the previous post by Col. Stone. Thanks for your support though... ::)
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the hands,, the hands ;)
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the hands,, the hands ;)
Ah! I see what you mean now!
Ever checked the relevant GW fluff? Maybe giant hands are a side-effect of becoming undead...
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no i haven't actually, ;)
wouldn't surprise me tho lol
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How can you guys be saying that this is good value when there arent even any frikken pictures of the zombies? Also, the feedback on the romans has been really bad and the celts look simply AWFUL. Seems odd to me that anyone would even consider buying models without actually seeing what they look like! Especially from a company that has an already shacky range. But hey, thats just me...
I mean if you want REALLY good value for money for zombies then just take your modelling knife to your lead mountain (you know the one I mean!), hack up those models you ALREADY have and paint them as dead dudes!
Indeed!
What's wrong with the GW ones?
He meant the WF ones. He didn't mention the GW ones. ;)
I was referring to the previous post by Col. Stone. Thanks for your support though... ::)
Calm down dear, it's only a post. lol
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I think it's good news that the sprues are there and they're shipping (same for the celts). I haven't ordered yet but I promised I'd buy a sprue and I'll probably order a box instead while I'm at it. I would like to see some piccies too though and I'm probably ordering along with a friend to cut down on the shipping.
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Does anyone have any idea of when they will arrive in Blighty?
Many thanks
N
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WF just posted a sprue picture and some detail shots.
http://www.wargamesfactory.com/AnnouncementRetrieve.aspx?ID=21520
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They look decent I suppose, but one can never truly judge until they see things 'in the flesh' as it is.
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Agh, I wanna see some painted up - the sprue picture makes the detail look a little soft, crappy painters like me need all the help we can get... (spent far too long today painting the fingers onto a clix Hellboy repaint... stoopid lack of clearly defined detail...)
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Distinctly underwhelmed - they look very "soft" detail like they've been left out in the sun.
:(
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Don't zombies sort of start going soft and squishy when left out in the sun? lol
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I have little interest in these either for or against, but... By those pictures, it seems to me that they are not yet getting the same level of sharp detail that GW is able to get with their plastics. (And GW is the standard that 28mm plastics are going to be judged against).
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I dont personally use any plastic figures but having the luxury of a local wargames shop that stocks all of them ,I would have to say the Perry plastics are by far the best,GW are a bit hit and miss some are as good as the perrys but others are poor, but each to his own and all of the plastics appear to be selling well.
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I have little interest in these either for or against, but... By those pictures, it seems to me that they are not yet getting the same level of sharp detail that GW is able to get with their plastics. (And GW is the standard that 28mm plastics are going to be judged against).
GW has years and years of experience in the field and WF are improving big time. I think these zombies will look good painted up despite the soft detail and I can't wait to have some in my hands and paint them 8)
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It strimkes me that what they need to do at least is assemble their figures and undercoat them, its the same with many lead figures in the shiny lead you cant see the detail
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I think you're right, the plastic is slightly transparent which makes the detail lookk even softer. That said, I still think a thick coat of paint can obliterate a lot of the detail.
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It is true WF is a new company, but I do not know whether potential customers take that into account. I know that I personally do not. I judge them against the plastics already on the market, that is, GW and Perry. I agree that they seem to be working on improving their products.
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I'm biased, obviously, since I work for WF. I'd say they are a big step forward in terms of sharpness over, say, the Romans. The new Celts are better yet. What I would say is that, as zombies go, they are less cartoony than most. The hands are small and neatly done, and the heads are sized normally to the bodies.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/11uwx1c.jpg)
Because they are closer to 'scale models' the details are not deeply engraved in the way we expect of metal figures, and so I deliberately avoided a mistake I'd made in the past, that of spraying too thick a primer coat, but painted directly onto the plastic.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2s68ort.jpg)
Some of the detail, which looked great in the original virtual image, was too fine to come out well; one figure wears glasses with one lense smashed, but that was too subtle to come out. This whole process of designing figures so as to show well at 28mm is harder to figure out than I'd have guessed; I've certainly admired some heads, especially, only to see how much of the detail vanishes when translated into a tiny plastic item.
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In all honesty Howard, spray priming is par for the course, it helps the paint adhere to the plastic. A thick coat is a mistake, but no primer at all?
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Because they are closer to 'scale models' the details are not deeply engraved in the way we expect of metal figures
Are we talking like Tamiya? (in terms of softer detail in plastic, I mean)
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Yes, I thought I'd see how it went with no primer at all (having done badly with my black primed redcoats). It seems fine - after all, nobody spray primes model aircraft, do they? (Okay, they didn't when I made them back in, ah 1970 ----).
I don't understand the Tamiya reference - can you explain that one?
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Judging from the pictures, I think that they may not be perfect model but they should look good "en masse".
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I don't understand the Tamiya reference - can you explain that one?
I mean, is the effect of softened detail comparable to that displayed by Tamiya figures (think their 1/48 scale wwii stuff)
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they're better painted, even if i don't agree with the heavy highlight style :)
any chance of a comparison pic?
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Yes, I thought I'd see how it went with no primer at all (having done badly with my black primed redcoats). It seems fine - after all, nobody spray primes model aircraft, do they? (Okay, they didn't when I made them back in, ah 1970 ----).
I think they probably do now, especially if using acrylics. Besides, models aren't meant to be handled all the time.
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So many questions ----
I really can't discuss Tamiya's models. The last ones I put together was a box of 1/35th WWII British, which I converted into Rogers' rangers for a diorama. I was about fifteen at the time. It wasn't recently.
A comparison pic of what, the painted figures and an unpainted one? My work never ends ;)
I'm never very comfortable taking photos of my figures, especially on sites like this where there are SO many really top-notch painters (and the macro setting turns my so-so 28mm paint jobs into monstrous figures the size of a Barbie doll painted by a blind drunkard with an old broom dipped in housepaint - plus cat hairs and odd bits of stray flocking everywhere).
I did paint these with the intention of photographing them, so they are no doubt a bit more "artistic" than my usual "fifteen minutes per figure, dry brush like mad, there's another hundred after this one" style! And that's really the point, isn't it? You need zombies in hordes, not elegant handfuls. Well, I do, anyway.
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I'm biased, obviously, since I work for WF. I'd say they are a big step forward in terms of sharpness over, say, the Romans. The new Celts are better yet. What I would say is that, as zombies go, they are less cartoony than most. The hands are small and neatly done, and the heads are sized normally to the bodies.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/11uwx1c.jpg)
Because they are closer to 'scale models' the details are not deeply engraved in the way we expect of metal figures, and so I deliberately avoided a mistake I'd made in the past, that of spraying too thick a primer coat, but painted directly onto the plastic.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2s68ort.jpg)
Some of the detail, which looked great in the original virtual image, was too fine to come out well; one figure wears glasses with one lense smashed, but that was too subtle to come out. This whole process of designing figures so as to show well at 28mm is harder to figure out than I'd have guessed; I've certainly admired some heads, especially, only to see how much of the detail vanishes when translated into a tiny plastic item.
They look less detailed than I imagine, as if they were covered in a thick layer of (enamel) paint. They kind of remind me of horrorclix prepaints in the amount of detail. But of course the proof of the pudding is in the eating so my final judgement will be painted on my table 8)
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I think I'll get some to play around a bit trying to combine the parts with my 1/48th tamiya ww2 plastics, probably combined with some west wind and BAM metal bits.
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In all honesty Howard, spray priming is par for the course, it helps the paint adhere to the plastic. A thick coat is a mistake, but no primer at all?
Sorry not the best way to advertise a new product with a homegrown and very poor paintjob.
Where are the studio paint ups to show the naysayers how great these are? ::)
The Commander
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I'm not really feeling inspired by those paint jobs , I think I will stick to Lead until I see a really good painted example.
A shot of them mixed with other makes Zombies would be nice if someone could do that for us.
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I'm never very comfortable taking photos of my figures, especially on sites like this where there are SO many really top-notch painters (and the macro setting turns my so-so 28mm paint jobs into monstrous figures the size of a Barbie doll painted by a blind drunkard with an old broom dipped in housepaint - plus cat hairs and odd bits of stray flocking everywhere).
I know exactly what you mean, often you think yup that's good only to phograph and see all of the bits you have missed or the finish isn't as smooth as you thought.
But I think what it does do is give you an idea of what is happening on the model so that you can at least think about where you put the brush when you paint.
Then again 15 minutes is extremely fast,
By the way I did like what you have done with the figures, I'm not sure I could even begin to paint zombies without having a hell of a think first ;)
dodge
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I don't see how you can leave out a primer.
Just be careful not to overdo it, then ensure that your base coat is thinned down - a wash might help the definition.
To be honest though, as they are being pitched at the cheap end of zeds, i wouldn't spend too much time on the paintjob for each figure, as it adds to the "cost" of the figure (i add in time spent upon assembly/getting rid of flash).
Will probably get a few at some point to bulk out the centre of one of my horde basss, but if the detail were crisper, i would almost certainly of bought hundreds of sprues... :(
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To be honest though, as they are being pitched at the cheap end of zeds, i wouldn't spend too much time on the paintjob for each figure, as it adds to the "cost" of the figure (i add in time spent upon assembly/getting rid of flash).
Fast way to get rid of flash on plastic models:
Straighten out a paper clip - attach it to a handle (glue it into a cork, for instance) - light a candle - heat the paper clip over the flame - 'iron' the flash. A human-sized mini can be done in a few minutes - and you do not need to do the individual parts before assembling.
EDIT:
Large flash should be trimmed down, first, mold lines and lesser flash can be smoothed out as outlined above.
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Have never heard that before - good tip!
:)
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Lots of people do that with their 1/72 plastics. I have the tip from www.hat.com , the 'Everything Toy Soldier' section.
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They look alright, nice price too.
I might get a few sprues :)
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I got my zombie sprues from WF this past Friday. They match Cold Wars zombies and Hasslefree figures rather well. The detail is not as good as you can tell from the pictures that have been posted. I think a good paint job would do them justice. I do like having greater choices for converting with plastic figures. All the parts are not as universal or fit together as easily as you would think. WF does have some learning to do when it comes to fitting parts together. There is some trimming involved for some neck ball joints or getting various pieces to fit. Though I consider that minor. It is nothing that requires great modeling skills. But for 0.75¢ a zombie they certainly are better than some metal zombies I have seen going for $1-2+ ea. and I would take the WF zombies over GW zombies any day for modern zombie games. I think it is a good option for casual zombie game players that want some figures without spending a lot. Over all I feel they are worth what I paid.
On a side note, I like their packaging. It does not have a lot of excessive waist. Plus the cardboard insert is recycled paper and the figures are recycled plastic. For me I like to see companies that have put thought into what waste packaging can create. Granted I am sure some gamers could care less. On the down side it came in a rather large shipping box. At least it can be recycled.
I plan on doing a more detailed review later. Plus take photos. I bought the zombies for a conversion project. Though I may build a few as regular old zombies to paint up.
-Audrey
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Looking really forward to the pictures while I'm eagerly awaiting the arrival of my zombies from across the big pond. :)
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It's good to see people taking these for what they are and just enjoying a nice little product. I really can't wait to see more pics!
That neck on the second zombie pic looks a bit bulbous but I'm sure it could be fixed with a little filing.
Good job WF!
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Well, it's good to hear some input on them. And if they sit nicely beside HF stuff then I will have to get me some :). Looking forward to those pics!
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Is there a UK seller of the WF Zombies? I don't mind buying from the US, but lately the Portuguese Customs are having their revenge on me for all those years when they didn't tax me lol