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Miniatures Adventure => Colonial Adventures => Topic started by: Arthur on February 24, 2017, 02:00:44 PM
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A British gun and crew for the Cape Wars range and command figures for the Afghan regular infantry :
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Alan Perry also previewed the greens for his Cape Mounted Rifles on the Perry FB page :
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Nice looking figures.
Love Perry figures.
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Ya gotta love the Perry brothers work. I especially like the lesser known periods.
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Nice. I've always fancied having me some CMR, and I was never particularly enamored with the 1st Corps range. I'm sorely tempted to get some of these when they come out, even though I never do any painting these days.
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The CMR long-arm was a smoothbore muzzle-loading military carbine, not a rifle.
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If they wanted us to not make that mistake then maybe they shouldn't have gone around calling themselves the Cape Mounted Rifles, then. :)
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Great looking figures.
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According to the Caper Warriors Volume 1, the CMR were issued a rifled variant of the carbine from 1854 onwards.
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Good point, Plynkes.
So, the issuing of the rifled version would have post-dated the period covered by the figures. Although the next frontier war didn't commence until 1877, perhaps there were minor skirmishes post-1853 while the uniforms remained the same that you could justify its use in... if you don't mind the onerous conversion work :) .
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Lovely figures, as for the carbine/rifle/shotgun I don't think that the figures are incorrect but the caption in the bottom right is wrong. I think they were just trying to say that just because it has a double barrel it isn't a shotgun.
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Regular Afghan army firing line packs have also been added to the Victoria's Little wars sub-range :
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Bravo. That's very beautiful.
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Would it be possible to file the rifling out of the barrels using a needle file or should the Perry twins withdraw the range, beg forgiveness for such an egregious error and start over? Inquring minds must know. ;)
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Love the new Afghan regulars....
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Would it be possible to file the rifling out of the barrels using a needle file or should the Perry twins withdraw the range, beg forgiveness for such an egregious error and start over? Inquring minds must know. ;)
Definitely the latter. Only then can they commit ritual suicide by evisceration with a blunt spoon, preferably in public at Salute.
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Love the new guys.
Glad that I have so many periods I am painting,
I can say,
" Satan get thee behind me." ;)
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Afghan tribal cavalry now out :
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/IMG_1541.JPG)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/IMG_1542.JPG)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/IMG_1543.JPG)
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The mounted Afghans look great,sure to be popular and will be useful for lots of periods too :)
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Lovely.
BTW, very definite Zulu plastic 3-ups spotted on the Perry stand at Salute today...
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BTW, very definite Zulu plastic 3-ups spotted on the Perry stand at Salute today...
As expected : Alan Perry had confirmed they were coming on the Perry Mins Facebook page, so no surprises there. Was anything else unveiled, Richard ?
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Honestly Arthur, Salute was very crowded this year, and each time I went to say hello to Michael and Alan, the stand was three deep with people, and I could only get a glimpse of the 3-up goodies in the display cabinet.
I'm sure there will be pics up soon.
It looked like some rather nice Zulus and a couple of Napoleonic cavalrymen, but I couldn't really see between the rucksacks to see exactly what they were. The whole thing was even more of an intolerable scrum today than it usually is... :-[
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Have seen pictures of Chasseurs a Cheval miniatures 3ups but not much other Perry stuff.
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Honestly Arthur, Salute was very crowded this year, and each time I went to say hello to Michael and Alan, the stand was three deep with people, and I could only get a glimpse of the 3-up goodies in the display cabinet.
Considering the awesome work you do with their figures, you should get a VIP pass right up to them ;)
Who would have thought that there would one day be three different sets of plastic 28mm Zulus on the market? (Counting Wargames Factory, not sure if they're still available).
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Thanks for the answer, Richard. Looking at it in a positive light, today was at least an opportunity to brush up on your rugby skills.
Yep, plastic French Chasseurs à cheval it is (saw a close-up of the three-ups on a blog). But this, of course, belongs on a different board.
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Managed a few words with the Perry's at Salute, no commitment to dates on zulu plastics due to log jam at Renedra, but sculpting pretty much done on 17th Lancers :).
The Melville figure will only be available as part of the 3 box deal. They don't see it going general release :(
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Ala said to me they are still going to do plastic Agincourt Cavalry and US troops for Africa and Italy (2nd WW)
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Blurry pic of zulus
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Perry's have updated their facebook page with a better image. Very nice they look too.
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Steve
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Well now I can see them properly, they do indeed look great :-*
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Following suggestions from LAF, I spoke to Alan about my old WF Zulu war guides and I will send them to him. With a bit of luck, they may be available again.
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Ala said to me they are still going to do plastic Agincourt Cavalry and US troops for Africa and Italy (2nd WW)
Oh phooey, I was praying for some Italian Paras. I read somewhere though that whichever of them does the WW2 (Alan??)
has to get some motivation from somewhere before he can face doing them. :? I found Paolo Morisi's book on the Folgore very inspiring reading recently, I hope someone recommends it to them.
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Michael does the WW2 stuff. I wouldn't rule out paras as the Italian WW2 sub-range still seems to be going strong with regular new releases, but they'd almost certainly be metal figures, not plastics.
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Are the US troops to be plastic or metal? Probably moot anyway as they will be too small to go with my other staff but I'm curious none the less.
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Michael does the WW2 stuff. I wouldn't rule out paras as the Italian WW2 sub-range still seems to be going strong with regular new releases, but they'd almost certainly be metal figures, not plastics.
Yes I should have made myself more plain, I wasn't expecting them to be in plastic, just metal like the rest of the Italian range. I read that Alan is thinking about doing them but needs more motivation before he can apply himself. :D
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Rorke's Drift characters greens :
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The 17th Lancers are also in the pipeline according the Perry FB page.
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The Drift figures look superb, my order is straining at the leash.
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We have an embarrassment of riches regarding KwaJim these days. Part of me is sorry they are going over old ground that has been more than adequately covered already by Empress, and wishing they'd do some things we don't already have.
The rest of me is saying "bloody lovely!", however.
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We were in the pub after Salute and the Perries sat down at the table next to us. They were very good, taking it in turns to be harangued about 'needed' figures. It looks like Zulus are the next plastics to be released. Spanish Napoleonics got the 'nod' that they were on the list at some point, as were Spanish heads for the 1450-1500 range. They have been promising US troops for Europe for some time so we made our case that we lacked anatomically correct WWII Americans (the new Empress are later than we want and Offensive only do paras) - but we've been telling them that since the 8th Army box came out.
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Spanish heads for the 1450-1500 range.
This would be great, makes a lot of sense to me. The Americans for WW2 are natural, because this can bring money in the bags. A lot of american gamers will buy, I think. Hoped for plastic Afghans, because there are some nice plastic zulus from warlord, but it is their decision.
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We have an embarrassment of riches regarding KwaJim these days. Part of me is sorry they are going over old ground that has been more than adequately covered already by Empress, and wishing they'd do some things we don't already have.
The rest of me is saying "bloody lovely!", however.
Exactly my thoughts too :)
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Yes, plastic Afghans, that would be great! And another plastic British cavalry for the period, and artillery
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Don t lile them ..they are nt iconic at all...i strongly preferì Hollywood type characters...Chard,Bromehead and Bourne could represent any tired soldier...Being wargame personalities they should be more symbolic and less anonymous...
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For me, these are must haves! I have the Empress Hollywood & Historical figures, but I have always been a fan of the Perry Twins' work and really love the new sculpts.
I would add my voice to the need for plastic Zulu War cavalry and NWF natives.
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Metal not plastic, please.
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Lovely figures all round. Super character and will be lovely to paint.
On another note to do with South Africa, I do hope they get back to the Kaffir Wars (Xhosa Wars) as I wanting to paint the CMR that was shown on their FB page.
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We have an embarrassment of riches regarding KwaJim these days. Part of me is sorry they are going over old ground that has been more than adequately covered already by Empress, and wishing they'd do some things we don't already have.
The rest of me is saying "bloody lovely!", however.
Aye, I'm in the same boat. I love the potentials to mix and match Perry and Empress, or Perry and Artizan, but we still have sizable gaps.
Mounted infantry for the Sudan. Dismounted cavalry for any theater. Mounted cavalry for the Northwest Frontier (lots of variety there). Artillery limbers and riders. Perry already makes a 10th Hussars for the Sudan, which also works for the 10th Hussars in Afghanistan, and the same for their Bengal Lancers. They just lack dismounts. The 10th Hussars were well known throughout the 1880s for the quality of their dismounted drill, and Indian cavalry fought lots of mounted and dismounted actions in Afghanistan.
The only dismounted regular cavalry I know of are Ral Parthas.
I would absolutely love a British or Indian cavalry plastics box, especially if they did it with dismounts and horse holders. A Hussars box, especially if it gave us options for Khaki tunics (as worn by the 10th Hussars) or the Attilla (as documented in Baden Powell's journal for the 13th), plus helmet swaps would cover most British cav. Similarly, you could do a Lancers box, with plastrons for the 17th in Zululand, and the mix of whatever for the 9th Lancers in Afghanistan.
I'll keep pressing on their Facebook page.
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Burmese.
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Plastic cavalry would be great, especially if the can make the kit generic/multi conflict some how.
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Lovely AZW characters, I wonder where they will sit size-wise ?
Close to Empress or between Empress and BTD ???
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Well if they are the same size as their Sudan range (and it would be a bit silly if they weren't) then they'll be a pretty-much perfect match for Empress.
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As long as they stay away from the Indian Mutiny I'm relatively safe.
That said, I never expected them to do Napoleon in Egypt..... :)
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Old Glory makes dismounted Indian cavalry, Rob, although armed with MH carbines, so best suited to the 1890s.
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Agree with the sentiment re: dismounted cavalry being towards the top of the list of what's still missing in the world of 25mm-28mm colonial figures, but IMHO the very top of that list remains a wider selection of Indian infantry and cavalry types, specifically a greater variety of TURBAN wearing heads.
I have previously mentioned the same thing here on LAF and also on another miniature wargaming forum. It would not be that difficult for a company to make Indian inf. and cav. figures c.1880 or c.1900 and offer them with a variety of seperately cast heads with different facial hair and turban styles. I'm not crazy enough to expect 16 different versions covering almost every variation of Dogra, Jat, and Rajput, just 3 or 4 major styles maybe? Though it can be argued that the entire genre of colonial miniatures is relatively small and sub-genre covering Indian troops even smaller, I'd like to think such a range could be successful.
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Anglo-Zulu War British lancers coming soon according to the Perry FB page.
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Just ordered myself some of these. The dismounted lancers look very nice too.
Steve
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Yep, forgot to add them :
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Agree with the sentiment re: dismounted cavalry being towards the top of the list of what's still missing in the world of 25mm-28mm colonial figures, but IMHO the very top of that list remains a wider selection of Indian infantry and cavalry types, specifically a greater variety of TURBAN wearing heads.
I have previously mentioned the same thing here on LAF and also on another miniature wargaming forum. It would not be that difficult for a company to make Indian inf. and cav. figures c.1880 or c.1900 and offer them with a variety of seperately cast heads with different facial hair and turban styles. I'm not crazy enough to expect 16 different versions covering almost every variation of Dogra, Jat, and Rajput, just 3 or 4 major styles maybe? Though it can be argued that the entire genre of colonial miniatures is relatively small and sub-genre covering Indian troops even smaller, I'd like to think such a range could be successful.
.....what he said!
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I agree. They look great!
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Those dismounted lancers look fantastic. I am tempted to do a bit of conversion and use them as the 9th Lancers in Afghanistan, with cloth covers on their helmets and wearing their bespoke double-breasted & quilted khaki jackets, which I think could be relatively easily adapted from those double-breasted tunics. My only hesitation... is that a few months or a year later the Perrys will release those figures too. If I was on Facebook I'd post a question to them directly. Maybe I'll ask one of my kids to do so...
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Mad, and you do not think that at the beginning of the company they could wear their home uniform, and not hacks, as in this figure:
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Andrei,
No, no, you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT -- on ocassion during the Second Afghan War, the 9th Lancers did wear their full blue uniforms! In fact my own Wargames Foundry version of the unit, raised from Zulu War 17th Lancers, is dressed that way, so that's how they look on my own tabletop. But I don't think they wore those uniforms into battle much, if at all, and I've wanted to raise a new version of the unit for some time. I've been debating between using the Perry Sudan 19th Hussars with improvised lances, and paint them in blue pants and khaki tunics (during the war the 9th Lancers often wore lightweight single-breasted khaki drill jackets cut like Norfolk jackets)... or using the Empress 17th Lancers and trying to either cut in a criss-cross pattern on their tunics to make them look like their quilted double-breasted "Kapok" jackets, or just try to have them painted with some subtle representation of the quilted pattern.
But now, with the Perrys making dismounted versions... I may have to wait and see what else the Brothers have up their sleeves, so to speak. Those bespoke quilted cold-weather jackets look very cool IMHO, and I'd love to see figures actually sculpted that way. Maybe I could use some green stuff on the Empress 17th Lancers to do a more legit conversion job, but that would be a lot of work to replace a unit I already own a fully painted version of. Ah, well, there is a reason the word "Mad" is in my user-name.
Here's a pic of the jacket in question, specifically a surviving example now in the collection of the National Army Museum:
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The above pic shows a version that would actually be easier to convert from a Zulu War 17th Lancer, due to its standing collar, but most photos from the time show the jacket with a notched lapel, as seen in this fantastic 1/6th scale version by the legendary Tony Barton (of AB Figures):
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1ksMeuT_LzQ/WUCZeYgQ65I/AAAAAAAAQ60/WO17sHHA-9k4tWwXhtAvXdkKEcIkzuRvACLcBGAs/s1600/16e5816cf1ec9435e60f94766944d056.jpg)
So to sum up, in answer to your question: IMHO there is certainly nothing wrong at all in fielding Second Afghan War 9th Lancers in full blue uniforms... I'd just like to do something different.
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I suggest swinging by the Perry FB page and running the idea of lancers in quilted jackets by Alan : as no-one else produces such figures, he might prove receptive (all the more so as he already has lancer dollies at hand).
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It would be great! And I also dream that the brothers will make Gurkhas.
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Cape Mounted Rifles for the Xhosa wars :
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/CFB%2022.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/CFB%2023.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/CFB%2024.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/CFB%2025%20900.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/CFB%2026%20900.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/CFB%2027.jpg)
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Lovely figures. For those with keen conversion eyes. How much work to make these Cape Mounted Rifles suitable for Indian Mutiny duty as gentlemen cavalry?
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Lovely figures. For those with keen conversion eyes. How much work to make these Cape Mounted Rifles suitable for Indian Mutiny duty as gentlemen cavalry?
or US Dragoons for the mexican war of 1846 ;)
I think it's possible as i made conversions with the infantry for the Seminole wars (here (http://chti-reanimator59.blogspot.fr/2016/11/) on my blog)
Anyway, ther is a lot of possibilities for these figurines outside the cape wars..
Cheers
Eric
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Were it not for the haversack they'd have made a good starting point for late 1860s-early 1870s Native Mounted Police in northern New South Wales/Queensland.