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Miniatures Adventure => SuperHero Adventures => Topic started by: tnjrp on March 03, 2017, 10:26:03 AM
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Monolith, of the Conan boardgame fame*, is coming up with a Batman version**. On KickStarter, of course. I don't think there's an official start date yet but one might assume it launches fairly soon since Monolith's Facebook header pic has changed into an add for it.
(http://media.comicbook.com/2017/02/batman-board-game-monolith-4-234731.jpg)
Some prototype pix of the minis can be seen at
http://arkhamcentral.forumactif.org/t501-batman-par-monolith
I'm feeling a foreboding of pledging for this o_o
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*) http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=67940.0
**) Google translate from overlord.com says:It is actually the same system as Conan, it is not something really new ...
But, I would say that we are significantly above in terms of complexity. There is more to be paid attention, for example, the blocking function no longer blocks, it is associated with a level of hindering. Blocker level 2 means that the total hindering is 2, for a single figure (but it can be 3,4 ... depending on the figures). So more calculation, but also more "realism" and fluidity. Still on the OL side, the OL characters also have abilities, which they can use INSTEAD of the attack. For example, do a manipulation, and in the relevant order. But it remains very fluid, the rules added are very thematic and logical, so it goes very well.
Saturation also appears on the OL boxes "reroll, defend and buy movement". It fills a lack of Conan. But the most vicious is that these boxes (especially the reroll) retain their gems throughout the tour, including during the turn of the hero. So if you have spent your 4 rerolls during your turn, you won’t have any left for the hero's turn, and your defenses will be less effective ...
On the heroes side, there is also a new possibility, the adrenaline. Without explaining, you will be able to do even more, but with a big blow of fatigue behind. A key concept for desperate situations ...
Heroes no longer die, DC universe obliges ... At 0 gem, they fall from starvation, and can slowly replenish their gem. But it will then be hard for them! But it is a real plus because it avoids the elimination of a player during the game, always unpleasant for the eliminated person. There he can continue to play, even if it is with reduced abilities (in gem).
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EDITed to set the apparently official starting timeframe:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=98504.msg1283681#msg1283681
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EDITed again to reflect the titles change and start date announced here: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=98504.msg1319784#msg1319784
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Obviously can't speak to game play at all, but the prototypes look great. I like them better than anything Knight Models has put out.
Hope the detail transfers well to production pieces.
~Eric
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I feel a deep disturbance in the wallet.
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I've heard this a couple of weeks ago and have been caching money since. I loved Conan and am very eager to see Mythic Battles. Batman as a thir game would be awesome.
Batman, Batman, Batman nananananananananananana
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I so desperately didn't want this to look good.... oh well, guess I'll start saving now then.
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I played Conan for the first the other week. I've never done the board game thing but i really enjoyed it and ill be backing this one for sure. It would be brilliant for the theme of the game, with an overlord leading all the baddies and a handful of goodies. It's were i think Knight Models game fails.
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I played Conan for the first the other week. I've never done the board game thing but i really enjoyed it and ill be backing this one for sure. It would be brilliant for the theme of the game, with an overlord leading all the baddies and a handful of goodies. It's were i think Knight Models game fails.
That, their fiddlyness and fragility as well as the price. I simply cannot afford like €20,- per model and then take hours to put them together a beautiful model that is however IMO not a suitable gaming piece.
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I so desperately didn't want this to look good.... oh well, guess I'll start saving now then.
The Scarecrow is missing his hat, and that's weird.
So hold on to that!
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I played Conan for the first the other week. I've never done the board game thing but i really enjoyed it and ill be backing this one for sure. It would be brilliant for the theme of the game, with an overlord leading all the baddies and a handful of goodies. It's were i think Knight Models game fails.
I've got Conan and I think the gameplay is a bit of genius. I can definitely see how it would work in a Batman setting. For any Batman fan I'd imagine this will be a pretty much essential game.
Monolith have announced for Mythic battles that the game will only be available through their website. I'm not sure if this will be the same but if people are interested then the Kickstarter is probably the best way of getting it.
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I wasn't in on the Conan KS but I hear that a lot of the stuff that was produced for the game is "KS exclusive". One wonders how much of the Batman stuff is going to be like that.
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I wasn't in on the Conan KS but I hear that a lot of the stuff that was produced for the game is "KS exclusive". One wonders how much of the Batman stuff is going to be like that.
The Mythic Battles KS had some too, so I'd guess this one will have a bit. Definitely more than I'd like. I hate exclusives...
~Eric
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Off topic but you can still back the Mythic Battles KS. I backed it the other. Some great looking minis.
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They just extended the pledge manager until March 21st. So, Maybe.
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They just extended the pledge manager until March 21st. So, Maybe.
Yeah i back it the day. Sadly Batman won't start until Mythic Battles has been delivered. Nearly two years we have to wait :(
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Well, they said "early 2018" too so maybe it's only about one year until this starts. This is a really distant early warning* then, but maybe Monolith can use the time to get feedback and/or preproduce some stuff so the delivery is quicker.
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*) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrDj5XvZXX4
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I wasn't in on the Conan KS but I hear that a lot of the stuff that was produced for the game is "KS exclusive". One wonders how much of the Batman stuff is going to be like that.
Im not a fan of exclusives either. With Conan & Mythic Battles, they did it okay-ish. M o s t KS-exclusives are variants of existing models, nothing essential. In my Conan Pledge there were for instance different Conans and alternative sculpts for picts and undead.
I can only recommend them. Most models are pretty good especially considering their price.
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Hey chaps,
I am currently working for Monolith, at this time, with the Batman project. I HAVEN'T yet sat down and played the game yet, but will be doing soon. Fred Henry will be coming over for a cuppa and demonstrating his new baby.
So, any questions you have, I will not be able to answer at this time. But I'd be happy to hear your thoughts on the game. Things you'd like to see. Characters. Powers. Game play features...
All I can tell you is expect the KS to go live after Mythic Battles starts being delivered.
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Obviously can't speak to game play at all, but the prototypes look great. I like them better than anything Knight Models has put out.
Hope the detail transfers well to production pieces.
~Eric
Are you talking about the wooden meeples used in this demo? LOL
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I so desperately didn't want this to look good.... oh well, guess I'll start saving now then.
It should look good. If you liked the minis in Conan, you will love the minis in Mythic. They have changed the plastic, to a more rigid type that allows for more detail. I would expect that the Batman minis will be even better. (and hopefully not milky white colored.) =)
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Very nice! I can only assume that different versions/incarnations of Batman will be exclusive to the KS campaign, but the one that was just shown looks like one of the best Batman mini out there.
Too bad we won't see them in the plastic flesh until 2020.
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Are you talking about the wooden meeples used in this demo? LOL
Lol.
Nope. See the attached images.
~Eric
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Holy moly, batman! Those are excellent sculpts. Where shall I take the money to buy them all?
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Although it's obviously early days yet, I'm somewhat interested in the projected scale of the minis. I assume something like 35mm?
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Very nice! I can only assume that different versions/incarnations of Batman will be exclusive to the KS campaign, but the one that was just shown looks like one of the best Batman mini out there.
Too bad we won't see them in the plastic flesh until 2020.
Not sure if this is going to happen as they are sticking to the comic book version. So there shouldn't be a Adam West or Ben Afleck versions
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Although it's obviously early days yet, I'm somewhat interested in the projected scale of the minis. I assume something like 35mm?
Not known, but if they stick to their Conan-minis, then its something between "realistically proportioned" 28mm and 32mm. The Conan minis fit perfectly with Bronze Age, for instance.
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I'm playing Conan now so hope that a similar system will be worked on for Batman as it's very easy to learn but, you guessed it, difficult to master (and heaps of fun). Miniatures wise I'm more than happy with the ones from Conan so looks like I'll be dropping a lot on Batman.
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Not known, but if they stick to their Conan-minis, then its something between "realistically proportioned" 28mm and 32mm. The Conan minis fit perfectly with Bronze Age, for instance.
I can confirm that the minis are in fact 35mm. So you'll need a little more paint for each one you paint =)
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I'm playing Conan now so hope that a similar system will be worked on for Batman as it's very easy to learn but, you guessed it, difficult to master (and heaps of fun). Miniatures wise I'm more than happy with the ones from Conan so looks like I'll be dropping a lot on Batman.
It will be a similar system, allocating gems/energy, to preform actions. But there will be some changes to game play, as Conan is a slayer enemys and Batman is an incarcerator of criminals.
Mini wise, these should be superior to Conan. Judging by Mythic Battles. The new plastic they are using is more rigid and can hold far more detail then those in Conan, and hopefully don't come in that milky plastic color.
I will be at Ludinord in France, to see it, in a few weeks...excited =)
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Well, I got to see the proto, but not play it. :'(
The table was always full. In fact, this whole room was always full. Maybe next time...
(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic3482917_lg.jpg)
(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic3482924_lg.jpg)
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I can confirm that the minis are in fact 35mm. So you'll need a little more paint for each one you paint =)
YAY!! So, my Knight Models will have good company.
I have been very pleased with my Conan, and really looking forward to Mythic Battles (which I also pledged for).
But, this...I'm gonna be on it like white on rice!! I'm really excited for this.
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YAY!! So, my Knight Models will have good company.
I have been very pleased with my Conan, and really looking forward to Mythic Battles (which I also pledged for).
But, this...I'm gonna be on it like white on rice!! I'm really excited for this.
Yep, me, too. Only thing I'm sad about is that MB hasn't even been published yet, and the Batman KS will start after that...
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Yep, me, too. Only thing I'm sad about is that MB hasn't even been published yet, and the Batman KS will start after that...
Monolith have said that they won't start their Kickstarters for Batman or Joan of Arc until Mythic has been delivered.
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Well, they ( MB ) did mention something of a Viking themed game as the next thing after Mythic Battles, so I guess that will be their big early 2018 KS and we won't see the launch of Batman until late 2018-early 2019.
But we'll see...
*Edit: changed the dates, it's 2017, not 2016 now :'(.
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With any luck, Mythic will be shipped before Christmas, meaning we could see Batman as early as December, this year.
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Batman is a highly anticipated game, from the same team that brought us Conan. Using the same system as Conan "THS" (Tactical Homeostatic System) but with tweaks to make it fit into the Batman Universe. Let me answer a few questions for you
What changes are there from Conan?
A seventh characteristic appears: intelligence, which will represent the ability to solve problems, hack computer equipment ...
Heroes' can now choose a Defense and Recovery action.
When "The Villain" (the Overlord in Conan) activates a unit, there is no restriction on movement being the first action.
Overlord units now have additional features like Manipulation or Intelligence.
Two new dice have evolved with a specific breakdown of successes to better represent certain actions.
And many other evolution!
Will there be any crossovers?
Other superheroes will not be in this game, due to the fact that "they" are SUPERHEROS. Superheros have super powers that would out balance the system of the game. Batman is a highly trained...man. Like his colleagues and some of his adversaries. So there will be no Justice League, sorry to say.
Conan, even with the same system, will not be tied into Batman. Even if Conan has crossed a lot of people in his career, it would be too far removed from the two universes. But nothing stops you from creating your own scenarios, if you own both games. It will, just not me one of the things that Monolith will attempt at this time. The Batman Universe is already a big one.
So, what will be in the box?
Like Conan, there will be 2 double sided boards with 4 different environments, 8 scenarios and more than 100 figures. This is the base box, with no KS exclusives or add-ons.
Will it be available in stores after the Kickstarter has finished?
A big no...Monolith have learnt from their Conan experience with distribution at reasonable prices, is not viable. But that is not stopping local stores from backing multiple copies of the game, and then selling them on.
And finally, the big questions.
When will the Kickstarter be coming?
As soon as Mythic Battles starts shipping, expect the KS to go live
;)
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When will the Kickstarter be coming?
As soon as Mythic Battles starts shipping, expect the KS to go live
(http://comicsalliance.com/files/2010/02/batvalentines.jpg)
Interesting that it won't be in the stores... That would actually kinda make the entire thing Kickstarter exclusive then, no? o_o
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Not really, they can (and likely will) sell it via their webshop. They just will not put it into distribution channels.
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Actually, I'm considering selling off my Conan, so I can make room for this.
(or maybe I'll just get a bigger house)
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(or maybe I'll just get a bigger house)
You'll have to miss on some add-ons in the next KS you participate in tho if you do that :P
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I'm sure that there will be a bat-cave of stretch goals that will give you enough goodies to play with.
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Do you want to see what the game looks like?
Well, you can.
Do you want to know what the game plays like?
Well, you can.
I had the chance of experiencing Batman (the prototype) the Boardgame and recorded it in this youtube video:
https://youtu.be/4rL28rE__5o
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This is not really my genre normally, but I like these minis far better than anything I've seen from Knight Models (doesn't hurt you get a whole heck of a lot in the box).
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The man himself, in render:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/batman-the-board-game/dons-cowl-monoliths-board-game/
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And now we have Nightwing:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/batman-the-board-game/nightwing-hero-preview-monoliths/
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Very interested in this KS, I hope they fit well in the Knight models range, so I can use some of the models there.
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Now with added color.
Batman has been taken to another level with the very first pictures of a miniature from our upcoming board game, painted by Martin Grandbarbe. From the resin cast sculpt by Arnaud Boudoiron and the painting is inspired by Jim Lee's Hush
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18556264_1124719324299716_5119559224176118393_n.jpg?oh=c3bdef964cbbd45289b53e26acdb8989&oe=59AD855F)
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Absolutely gorgeous.
I want this game NOW!!!!
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Cant wait for this one. Especially with Knights models being so pricey noways.
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The minis are being made, as we speak. Ready for the UK Gaming Expo
(https://the-overlord.net/uploads/monthly_2017_05/18581758_657387824454375_7115141078757187546_n.thumb.jpg.7fd88cddc79a1076db9f08940b5bcadc.jpg)
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More minis, incoming
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18740133_1129109967193985_5208150206044276395_n.jpg?oh=f78d68b61c8e93552178b5b4b96b7ae3&oe=599E15CF)
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18622650_1129109970527318_2965704260118971073_n.jpg?oh=f8653db39b05a9d6b0dd1eafe9152449&oe=59A0C3F2)
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And here, I thought I had successfully sworn off the "scads of plastic people" game kickstarters. Fooey.
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I'm squirrelling away every extra dollar I come across.
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Nightwing and Black Cannery have been announced too
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18767419_1134232033348445_5736876352548658068_n.jpg?oh=905081952ad74e9d354388385082ab7f&oe=59A22331)
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Nightwing looks good but Black Canary not so much o_o
May be just the render but she has a Wicked Witch of the Whatever Compass Point look. Also, the sanjiegun is quite overblown, as are the fishnets. The latter may be difficult to do subtly enough but the former shouldn't be: even losing a link and making it a nunchaku instead would help a bit.
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Nightwing looks good but Black Canary not so much o_o
May be just the render but she has a Wicked Witch of the Whatever Compass Point look. Also, the sanjiegun is quite overblown, as are the fishnets. The latter may be difficult to do subtly enough but the former shouldn't be: even losing a link and making it a nunchaku instead would help a bit.
Totally agree, but she isn't a ninja turtle. Why did they go with a weapon in the first place?
Besides now there has to be a green arrow or huntress cause why else would she fit in with the Batman.
Greetings,
Zeebeest.
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Anyone know roughly when this will actually go to KS ?
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Canary's costume is similar to the one she wore in All-Star Batman. No Green Arrow or Huntress in that. They did say the Black Canary was based on a particualr arc, not All-Star Batman. But that is what it looks like to me.
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I wouldn't mind getting a Green Arrow as well. Not sure if they've explicitly said who will be included, other than saying there wont be any of the really super supers -- which GA isn't in any of the storylines I can recall.
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And now Killer Croc joins the Gotham Line up
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18921907_1139969992774649_4078558539593714443_n.jpg?oh=32d3d0bb79dff53fbc71680dabba912a&oe=59D79F64)
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Very nice!! Although, it reminds me a bit more of Lizardman from Spiderman, than Killer Croc.
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I agree. The trench coat makes him look more like the Lizard from Spider-Man.
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(http://www.google-wizard.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/google-1.jpg)
Looked at Croc images and didn't spot a single one with a trench coat. Could've missed one of course. Also, most versions of him don't have a lizard-shaped head but more of a Necromunda Scaly type humanoid one instead. At least the render doesn't have a tail (although some artists seem to like Croc to have one).
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It's meant to be based on Killer Croc from Jim Lee's Hush. I thought it would have been easier to go with a version that most would have known but maybe the guys behind the game are fans of this version.
(https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/5/5e/Killer_Croc_0013.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110829161518)
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Well in that case it's pretty spot on.
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Jim Lee is one of the artist that 1) inspired this game and 2) is actually working with Monolith on this game
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Jim Lee is one of the artist that 1) inspired this game and 2) is actually working with Monolith on this game
Which will explain the reason then. Cheers for that :D
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Now what is coming next...?
Where would Gotham be without this chap
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19059790_1143845499053765_5181954995278952001_n.jpg?oh=c36853983913f8d78a7089d1aa3d69cc&oe=59DEB768)
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(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18486017_1145811855523796_6889732055143511382_n.jpg?oh=88eb9317e860ad7ba0e8c2f3df111088&oe=59DE8CC2)
It couldn't have been anyone else, could it?
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The Commish looks great!!
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Here are some more little details of the game, from the Uk Gaming Expo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw3rFZJxuZY
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Some more minis have been reveled...
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/19467914_1157598254345156_8424018497536431862_o.jpg?oh=d0430b4fbd7f70e5f75ea97acc09ac4e&oe=5A0D12EB)
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I'm more of a wannabe gamer....
I really am after just the minis, and these are looking sooooo good.
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I'm more of a wannabe gamer....
I really am after just the minis, and these are looking sooooo good.
Each to their own. That's why I like Warhammer...Not to play, but just to look at
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Sometime, in the mornings, I feel like this...
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19732241_1163455567092758_374178796665226607_n.jpg?oh=fa7330413365114e27108df9e4ba18d9&oe=59CC13B1)
...And my fashion sense is more like this...
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19756585_1163455617092753_2900336803660836066_n.jpg?oh=db4dc7d78f650c9e8e7894b6ffdbfe57&oe=59C3D419)
Are you blown away, as I am with these new painted minis?
And these are just the thugs...
I can wait to see more heroes...
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19748658_1163455563759425_4742319839616294737_n.jpg?oh=abfc56560fa71e56a82d2f3776aafd52&oe=59D34FE4)
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19642582_1163455670426081_1014480344192546955_n.jpg?oh=017ba62c0dc42834d3d069c75c68fad7&oe=59FFA419)
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Those thugs are great!
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I second that the thug with the "bling knuckledusters" and other one with the shotgun are bring ideas of modern pirates to mind.....
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They look very Frank Miller style to me
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So what do your think will change when this character is introduced into a scenario?
More strategy
More stealth
More gadgets
More...?
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20246230_1175124282592553_151753635448909172_n.jpg?oh=07ab4ea937895f83ad866c64ffb142da&oe=5A0D4AE1)
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More distraction tests for the male characters?
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I think the male players will be distracted anyway :-*
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True..... only to be beaten back by a wise-cracking acrobat bodyfriend lol
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Batman will be demoing at Gencon. In Hall G 3063.
Grab your chance to taste a bit of Gotham City on the table top
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20615607_1186142961490685_2055471486787311966_o.jpg?oh=4ce933a58d2857ab7b2e7266f6d5bf6c&oe=59F29E74)
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So wish I could go this year.
Oh well.
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Me too :'(
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New images from GenCon
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20901429_1196846793753635_8002100689641863966_o.jpg?oh=61722a03cd574a7a4caa03447287e9b1&oe=5A27F88B)
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20900815_1196846837086964_5681412511097136587_o.jpg?oh=372974d2d52998f05f05111dc3d1da8d&oe=5A2FCEAA)
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(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20915509_1196847243753590_4452576725311793451_n.jpg?oh=6bf8fb7c95d61d7e78c9350c4a2ccba2&oe=5A1C48A3)
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Monolith have announced, at GENCON, that Batman the Boardgame will be coming to Kickstarter in February 2018. And they are looking at a 10 month turnaround in the the production of the game, much like Mythic Battles: Panteon. So, it should be on your shelf's by Christmas 2018.
The price point, kicking around at the moment is $130 for the base game. This higher price is due to the royalty's that have been and have to be paid to Warner, for the licence. A serious amount of money has already been invested into the project. Meaning that this could be a make or break project. As Fred Henry (the designer and founder of Monolith posted on BGG) said that if it makes less than than Conan ($3million) they would pull the plug...But I can't see that happening, can you?
...It's Batman!
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Weren't Conan and Mythic Battles big enough successes to keep them going?
I'd be happy to buy the hero boxes and accessories for Conan that were not KS exclusives, but they don't have them for sale on their website.
I hope that they are successful with Batman and that it reaches retail to keep them afloat beyond Kickstarter.
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Those kind of statements are not helpful for their company or project to be honest. That does not help customer confidence in a product/company IMO. ;)
KS is a funding mechanism and marketing tool but a company has to get the costs and price points right to make money. That's just sound business. If they need specific volumes to hit certain items especially in the KS then they may need to look hard at the economics and price points of things.
I'm sure Batman will be a great success - if they do it right. They have the pedigree now but KS is not a guaranteed way to make lots of profit for companies. It often generates revenue but costs have to be controlled very well. KS adds to the costs as well as reducing the risk around whether something has a set of customers willing to buy it. Oh and it has been said elsewhere making games is rarely a way to make a huge amount of profits as a company...
There have been many cases of companies not doing KS'ers right. Some deliver and some don't. Sounds like unlike Mantic & CMON and some other companies, Monolith are still not quite there with the business side of making games. :(
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Those statements are not helpful at all...and do not increase my desire to support. I want the toys for sure...but am more pessimistic now then I was an hour ago...
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Agreed, it is not a useful statement. But it is an honest one.
I don't know about you but I prefer honesty and transparency over anything else.
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Again, this statement is a response to questions that everyone is always asking.
"Will it go into retail?"
"Can I get this game without going to KS, because I don't do KS?"
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That's fair. Honesty is nice even if it isn't what I want to hear.
I am good with Kickstarter and not concerned about retail...but understand that is not how everyone feels.
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It's fair but the statement of 'if it does not make $X on KS then we'll pull the project' really does not help the make that target...Sort of defeats the point of KS target funding goals. :)
Its one thing to say unless it does well or even to a certain funding level we won't likely take it to retail. Another completely to say there is a real life hidden goal in the KS much higher than the funding levels.
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It's only a secret funding level if they don't start off at 3 million... But that's quite a lot to ask from the jaded KS crowd for just the basic box with no tasty free stuff (AKA stretch goals) so I don't believe it will be anywhere near that level o_o
Anyway, I suppose we'll have to wait until February or thereabouts to see how secret their secret goal will be and what the public goal will be.
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Weren't Conan and Mythic Battles big enough successes to keep them going?
Don't remember MB, but with Conan, they lose money on every retail box they sell.
Creators should say that they do not expect distributors to carry their product because they expect their product to have an MSRP of whatever. If a creator pledge level is $120 and they tell potential backers that the expected MSRP is $250 with no guarantee that distributors and retailers will carry the product, that should be information important to a potential backer whether or not to wait for retail. Distributors are under no obligation to carry a game publisher's game, and will cherry-pick which ones will turnover the fastest, such as Magic the Gathering, and Star Wars Destiny. I'm pretty sure that these games have a faster turnover than a $200+ game would.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7dj2IcgH3w
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Conan and Mythic were successful. And that success was invested.
Each time, Monolith invest into artwork, research, demo testing of their next games. This comes at a price, nothing is free. If you you want the best looking, well produced, playable and enjoyable game, they have to work very hard and get the best people in the business to help them. They have costs and fees to pay...Batman is not public domain! Warner want's their cut of the most popular superhero
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Don't remember MB, but with Conan, they lose money on every retail box they sell.
That's a shame. But I'm curious why?
At retail, a Zombicide Black Plague base game and the Conan base game have about the same numbers of miniatures, with about the same number of different sculpts. Zombicide sells for about $100 and Conan $120.
They both have more or less the same amount of components in the box so why aren't they both bringing in money for their creators?
Is it the cost of creation/art that was higher on Conan? The rights to the franchise?
I'm not trying to be annoying, I'm just trying to understand the business that brings us so much joy.
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Zombicide has not rights to be paid off as Zombies are Public Domain.
I am not aware of monetary values, but Conan is own by the Estate of Robert E. Howard and not some big conglomerate. I can imagine that was not cheap. Also Monolith worked heavily with the Estate to make sure that the scenarios and story's were correct in keeping to the original writings. So I believe that had to wage for a person or team that Estate, and may still be paying them for the scenarios that are coming out.
Additionally, Conan was the first project for Monolith, so that had to have a substantial gain to continue working afterward. That way they could invest in the next project. (get artwork, make prototype, minis...) Where as CMON had nothing to loose as I believe Guillotine Games were already in line to publish the game here in France. CMON just helped out with the publishing to the rest of the world.
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I am in for this one. :)
It feels as though the creators cannot win on the honesty front re: funding - damned if the do, damned if they don't - but regardless I can understand why they have cited needing to hit a high target to make this a success.
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Yeah me too. After all, it's
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/014/745/The_Goddamn_Batman_card_by_GorillazFan69.jpg)
This is a project to keep an eye on tho, if it starts to look they only pass by a small margin (unless the target really is 3 mil*) then I bow out after the "now it's funded, no matter what" deadline (which was 48 hours at some point).
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*) they obviously may well have factored the cost of everything they've planned on producing for it into this disclosed true funding goal, in which case they can start off at a lower level and get in those stretch goals that keep the early pledgers in
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I'm a miniatures guy. As much as I'd like to think myself a gamer, it's always the miniatures for me. I'm glad to throw 130 bucks at Monolith to grant me access to some seriously cool minis.
The business aspect, while I understand, I just really don't worry myself about. I'm just so stoked about this kickstarter, in fact, I am ignoring all current KS's to work for this one.
I kinda wish I wouldn't have funded MB:Pantheon now, and poor Conan just languishes on my shelf.
I could only be more excited if this happen to be a Marvel Comics venture....(please make that happen)
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This looks too good to pass up.
I might never play the game (unless its really good), but the miniatures could be used for all sorts or skirmish games. Will there be a Harley Quinn miniature?
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I can almost promise to never play the game :P
Well, as it's a board game I might be able to get some of my non-miniature-gamer buddies to try it but it's unlikely I'll bother.
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I could only be more excited if this happen to be a Marvel Comics venture....(please make that happen)
This would be nice. But I don't think we will see for a while.
Why?
Most of the characters in the Batman universe are slightly augmented humans. Either they have trained themselves that way of have been pumped with a substances. This makes balancing the game and scenarios easy. Where as if Wonder Woman or Superman popped up, The Joker would be defenseless against them, unless he built a big Joker robot. (which would be a cool Bigature) The Marvel universe is made up of every character having over the top powers (unless you do a DareDevil game) which I believe is not impossible but would take longer to sort out their powers then create balanced scenarios that tell story's.
And I know that Heroclix gets away with it through a points system, but they have been in print and play tested for decades now.
Little steps...Maybe one
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On a side note, Monolith are re-running a short Kickstarter for Conan. For those who missed out.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/806316071/conan/posts/1977826
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Back to Batman...I think????
:o
Some new images have emerged of someone...
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21731176_1218294068275574_6171955458315795775_n.jpg?oh=cbcd787767825700541cfd7a07ac5bd2&oe=5A440561)
Can you guest who?
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Can't be Killer Croc...right?
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Can't be Killer Croc...right?
Right, it's not
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Back to Batman...I think????
:o
Some new images have emerged of someone...
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21731176_1218294068275574_6171955458315795775_n.jpg?oh=cbcd787767825700541cfd7a07ac5bd2&oe=5A440561)
Can you guest who?
Well I am stumped....... only character I can think of is Dr. Death From the zero hour story-line
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That's a very good bet (it's Zero Year tho AFAIK):
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/4/4c/Doctor_Death_New_52_0004.jpg
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Doctor Death it is. :o
Now it's time to RUMMBLE...sorry RIDDLE
As a gang of thugs, working for "you know who" has come to the surface.
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21761759_1223869644384683_6278821244507693915_n.jpg?oh=ce59c1d317809213a8e1c70d60e59164&oe=5A55F49B)
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21739953_1223869914384656_3129506937558106348_n.jpg?oh=dde62e8ee30c5525efdfeba288b35f25&oe=5A4363D9)
Would you want to mess with these bad boys? Or are they just Bat-fodder?
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What a riddle.
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Not only are Jim Lee and Georges Clarenko works of are being use in the design of the game. Now David Finch joins the team.
Active since 1993 in the comics world, he quickly forged himself a solid reputation, becoming a star-artist of his generation. He regularly pencils the adventures of Batman since 2010 and started with Batman #700 and Batman: The Return.
He was also the lead artist and co-writer of the monthly issue Batman: The Dark Knight and one of the artists working with the writer Tom King on the Rebirth serie.
He had the chance to design many of the secondary characters like White Rabbit or the heroes Gotham and Gotham Girl.
He created an EXCLUSIVE ORIGINAL ARTWORK for Batman: The Boardgame depicting the rooftops of Gotham City. David included Batman, of course, the Bat-signal and also some of the closest allies of Bruce Wayne. Such collaborations with artists who are part of Batman's legend testify Monolith's will to offer the core of what the Dark Knight is to the fans!
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/22339051_1235554039882910_5903398481497973693_o.jpg?oh=dba823fb945f0d79efb4b2b8b85fc7c8&oe=5A78A2D2)
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That's awesome art indeed.
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Average Joe's arrive in Gotham...And I'm not talking about the Gym!
We now have some civilians that will be populating Gotham. People for the Dark Knight to watch over.
Will they be cannon-fodder for those big bad, bad guy? Will the they block the route and hamper the good guys? Or will they be hostages to rescue and keep safe?
...Or will they be spy's?
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22539719_1247741695330811_1878958117708108549_n.jpg?oh=e3c18a74af26071e028f675d82688dba&oe=5A8176B6)
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The lady's got the look. The Innsmouth look to be precise.
Anyhow, it's always good to have civilians in any game. And a superhero has to protect even the creepy ones.
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The lady's got the look. The Innsmouth look to be precise.
agree.... many she's one of the Gotham Marsh's
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I think I rented a hotel room from her at the Gilman house.
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Maybe in the boardgame, Gotham City really is the next town over from Arkham, MA. You know, that place with the infamous asylum.
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Just got back from Essen. The Batman booth was packed for 4 days. We saw many people being turned away but coming back.
Rules have been tweaked. Art has be upgraded and everyone said how good the game felt. Just a few criticisms about the art and icons, but that's all. Take a look for yourself.
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22814264_10155749176515135_5094099804503070558_n.jpg?oh=e3ed8d3d8dacab48954f889fc254bc49&oe=5AA6401E)
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Seriously though. February is not coming quick enough :(
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Seriously though. February is not coming quick enough :(
Your darned right...
Monolith have just posted some new images, showing off the ACE chemicals plant, Red hood and the Joker.
Showcasing the graphic novel side of the game. Where you will play out certain scenes from some of the Dark Knights greatest story-lines. In this case, The Killing Joke. Maybe Red Hood will fall into the vat of acid, scaring himself into the Joker. Will Catwoman be the one that pushes him into the green abyss? Or will the tables be turned and Robin takes a swim? All of this can be written by you...
Then there will possibly be the chance of the Joker having his revenge in a second showdown in the plant. February can't come quick enough.
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23130777_1258018164303164_6315499913070186278_n.jpg?oh=eb4d21c8516b4cfe28037e84c1be529c&oe=5AA2CA64)
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Some more mini renders
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Court of Owls! I love it.
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Keeps looking better and better.
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Some very cool minis.
Love the Joker.
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I'm still waiting for a Harley Quinn render...
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I'm still waiting for a Harley Quinn render...
My daughter is too. Your not alone.
But I did get to see "A" Robin yesterday, for the first time...
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23518909_10155792975485135_8125145981870829166_n.jpg?oh=b7e4d2859c92bfe294abb4bca7ffc212&oe=5A9EC33A)
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And now for some in game art by Anthony Jean
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Yes, it was Tim Drake.
Between Jason Todd's death and his resurrection, another Robin appeared, Tim Drake, and he is without a doubt, the most famous Robin after Dick Grayson himself. Not only because that Robin (Tim Drake), contrary to those who preceded him, had his own comic books, but also because he featured in several by-products.
Tim really differs from the "classic" mold as he is not another orphan Batman ran into during one of his investigations and decided to shelter in Wayne Manor. On the contrary, Tim "invited" himself in the lives of Batman & Robin.
As a child, he was a fan of the Flying Grayson (Dick's family before he became Robin). The thing is, after some time, once Dick became Robin, Tim discovered that Robin uses the same acrobatic techniques used by Dick Grayson, the sole survivor of the tragedy that hit his family. On top of that, Dick Grayson now lives in Wayne Manor. So he deduced that Dick is indeed Robin and that Bruce Wayne is Batman. Not bad for a teenager!
But Tim did not reveal himself yet, he observed his idols from a distance. It is only when Jason Todd died that Tim noticed that Batman became more and more violent and destructive. That's when he reached out to Bruce and Dick to tell them he knows their secret identity... and that Batman behavior must change. One thing led to another, and within months he became the new Robin, adapting his costume to add...pants
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We get a better look at the new player boards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnCk_VzTudU
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Poison Ivy is reveled and reveling. And Ivy is, her plants are sure to follow...Maybe Harley too :o
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Harley was mentioned in the Ivy bio/fluff blurp so I'm my hopes are soaring.
I'm not too keen in the Ivy sculpt though, the face looks a bit odd and while tt could just be a combination of the pose and the bosom, I think there's something off about her shoulders.
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I'm not too keen in the Ivy sculpt though, the face looks a bit odd and while tt could just be a combination of the pose and the bosom, I think there's something off about her shoulders.
I agree. I think there are enough suspect sculpts from among those we've seen so far to curb my enthusiasm for this one. That, plus the absolute chore that is the Conan minis means I'm very much in the 'let's wait and see' camp.
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I don't care muck for the Ivy sculpt myself. I don't really like the face. I've never been a fan of the all green Ivy look that this one seems to be modled after.
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This is just a render, and the real sculpt may look a little different
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This is just a render, and the real sculpt may look a little different
It might change a little, but I doubt they'll redo it much once there's a render.
Ivy aside I really like the models so far, so the only thing that would make me jump ship at this point (apart from financial woes) would be if some of the models are way off scale, as happened with the TMNT kickstarter game a few years back.
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Well, hopefully they do stick to one scale even if it's 35mm (IIRC). Would've preferred something a little closer to 28mm myself of course.
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I think I read that its 32mm, which is great news since Knight Miniatures are 32mm :)
I'm fine with Bane and Croc being huge, they're suppose to be, but some other games have had roughly humansized characters represented by models with several centimeters height difference. That would kill my interest.
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They will be 35mm :o
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So they are, but luckily I was wrong about the Knight Miniatures too, they're 35mm too.
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35mm is the new 32mm (which is the new 30mm) (which was the new 28mm)
Don't even get me started about the original 25mm...
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More instructions on haw the game rolls...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TvsMNr8qNw
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Kickstarter day announce and a change of title. What do you think?
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Not much there to complain about, seeing as it was already known to be in Feb. Title's good enough, better than the beige "the boardgame" certainly.
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Now Deadshot has shown up in town. Lucky it's not Wil Smith lol
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There's a Harley render on the Facebook page and its... not to my liking.
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I have not been a big fan of many of the sculpts so far either.
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For those not lethally allergic to Facebook, heeeeere's Harley!
https://www.facebook.com/monolithedition/photos/pcb.1305242352914078/1305229059582074/
Personally would've preferred a bit less "classic" version for the overall look plus the gun is obviously just insane (of course so is she, and her mallet in most pix but still -- is that revolver supposed to be made of plastic and pop out a flag saying "BANG" when you pull the trigger or what ???) but that's easy to remedy luckily.
She's not alone in oversized weapon category unfortunately, here's the Red Hood and his not-so-minigun:
https://www.facebook.com/monolithedition/photos/a.531056676999320.1073741828.530952333676421/1299704793467834/
Again, easy to remedy but still a bit of chore if one needs to do that for every gun in the game...
BTW for those incensed about RH not having two pistols or whatever, there's apparently going to be a different version with a bit less firepower too. Not sure how many versions of Harley there's gonna be but one might assume more than one.
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She's not alone in oversized weapon category unfortunately, here's the Red Hood and his not-so-minigun:
https://www.facebook.com/monolithedition/photos/a.531056676999320.1073741828.530952333676421/1299704793467834/
Again, easy to remedy but still a bit of chore if one needs to do that for every gun in the game...
Oh dear. the last few previews have been... lacklustre. I'm being charitable. Which is good for me, cos it means I'll be able to save my money from yet another pricey Kickstarter!
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There is apparently another version of Red Hood holding two pistils and possibly a different version of Harley too.
I must admit that I have a thing for the "Suicide Squad Harley" as does my daughter. Very gritty and realistic. But my daughter quickly adapted to the "Lego Harley," which she got at Christmas, becoming her most played character. Beating out Raven, Batgirl and Robin. Thank you Lego Dimensions.
A new, how to play video has just been posted, while we were away playing...
https://youtu.be/kTUjb8LPOXY
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Nothing wrong here...Now we're talking Frank Miller. A wonderful sculpt
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There's all kinds of wrong with Bats ca. Dark Knight Returns but agreed insofar as the sculpt goes.
(http://www.zonanegativa.com/imagenes/2013/11/1.gif)
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Was there really a Batwoman??? :o
I only thought that Batgirl was a real thing. Maybe I had too many Saturday mornings watching Mr West kick butt!
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There was indeed. Not much like present day Kathy Kane, but she existed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batwoman
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The render is definitely not based on the Silver Age version tho, which is fine by me.
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A duo of brutes:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/batman-gotham-city-chronicles/meet-tweedledee-tweedledum-monoliths/
These too appear to be designed more along the New 52 lines -- tho not without cartoonish features.
(http://www.placesandpredators.com/52/TDK8a.jpg)
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(http://www.beastsofwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Tweedledee-And-Tweedledum-Batman.png)
I really dislike the BoW website.
Dee and Dum look good though.
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Indeed BoW is IMO a very user-unfriendly web design.
Way too many frames etc ...
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I really like that Dark Knight version. I always liked that chunky guy.
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And now for the Hot Rod that these chunky dudes, won't get to ride in...(I hope there is a safety belt installed!)
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If we get the Batmobile from this image, I wonder if we'll get the Joker Card...or even the Dinosaur!!!
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And now for the Hot Rod
Oo nice 8)
If we get the Batmobile from this image, I wonder if we'll get the Joker Card...or even the Dinosaur!!!
Or maybe a complete Batcave playset?
(I'm completely out of the loop so I have to ask, why are there two Batmen... Batmans in that pic?)
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(I'm completely out of the loop so I have to ask, why are there two Batmen... Batmans in that pic?)
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the batman closest to the joker card, is dick Grayson who took over being batman when Bruce Wayne appeared to have died..... until he came back, all this was part of the new 52 storyline which has been thrown out the cannon with the DC rebirth... Bruce Wayne, the batman in the foreground is dressed in the batman inc uniform again part of that short lived comic storyline
also in the picture are batgirl (Stephanie brown), red robin (tim drake), robin (Damian Wayne)
hope this helps.....
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It does, thx 8)
Partly explains why I never picked up on particular twist that it was canon only for a relatively short time.
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And now we get a look at the birth place of Batman...Crime Alley.
Full of badly parked deliverymen and 4 star en-suites.
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IIRC there was a game play video a while ago which I didn't watch (I don't watch videos on teh Interwebz unless there's a really really really good reason to) so maybe somebody might want to be bothered to explain how shooting rules (I assume there are some, given the BIG guns) work on a board like that ???
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IIRC there was a game play video a while ago which I didn't watch (I don't watch videos on teh Interwebz unless there's a really really really good reason to) so maybe somebody might want to be bothered to explain how shooting rules (I assume there are some, given the BIG guns) work on a board like that ???
Line of sight is done with dots in the center of each tile. If you can draw a straight line between your character space and you target (from dot to dot) without traversing an object (wall or car), you have line of sight. You can shoot from one side of the board to the other.
More videos are coming next week
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Now we get to Batgirl. And things have changed or have been copied exactly. Straight form the comic books
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Not bad at all, except for the angle which makes her right arm look stumpy. Which of course it isn't.
Line of sight is done with dots in the center of each tile. If you can draw a straight line between your character space and you target (from dot to dot) without traversing an object (wall or car), you have line of sight
That I suppose might work. Was afraid it might be something more complicated, in which case the pseudo-3D would be a real pain (cf. Battle for Alabaster).
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Maybe this will help show you how easy it works as well.
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Does anyone else want to play a Batman against Batman. I'm talking Bruce against Jean-Paul. Looks Like we might have a chance.
An Armored Bat has arrived.
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More badasses incoming. Deathstoke. Super powerful solider...Could he bring down the Bat?
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Hasn't Batman tossed his batarangs on targets around corners regularly or am I remembering wrong?
Suppose the inability to do so could be for rules simplicity/balance though.
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Hasn't Batman tossed his batarangs on targets around corners regularly or am I remembering wrong?
Suppose the inability to do so could be for rules simplicity/balance though.
This may be something in the game, later to be reveled. But for now, all bataranges fly in straight lines...
If you want a look in depth with the rules, there is this video.
https://youtu.be/pr0ugsGvUSc
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Flaming Swords! :o
Now we are getting deep into complex story telling territory. Once upon a time, there was this dude, called Jean-Paul. He was a good guy. Then he found a programme...in his head which unlocked Azrael, an avenging angle (maybe he should have been in Marvel) who was bad. Than Bat's interfered and made he good, before giving him his mask, that turn him bad.
How did it finish? I don't know, I haven't gotten that far yet. (Call yourself a fan Badger!!!)
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Now we are talking.
We are getting a campaign of the Court Of Owls. Three scenarios that are linked together. Starting off in Wayne Manor and the working its way into the Batcave. :o
Who else is excited?
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What is the launch day?
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What is the launch day?
and the likely price?
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Feb 27th
Base game is around $130
Second pledge is an "all in" for around $300
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I'm still really excited for this, but havent been impressed with the artistic style in the last several offerings.
It's pushing away from 'comic book art', and getting more 'computer animated' looking. Some of the designs remind me of the Disney Infinity stuff. Just not a fan of that style.
The boards however, look incredible and right on par with the earlier designs.
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I'm still really excited for this, but havent been impressed with the artistic style in the last several offerings.
It's pushing away from 'comic book art', and getting more 'computer animated' looking. Some of the designs remind me of the Disney Infinity stuff. Just not a fan of that style.
The boards however, look incredible and right on par with the earlier designs.
Gotta agree here. I have not been a big fan of most of the sculpts shown so far.
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Have to agree on the styling. I was super excited at first and will likely still get it, but the less comic is goes the less happy i will be...
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So many figures and so much to paint. This is a challenge for someone else. I wasn't born yesterday, but this guy was.
He is going to need a gallon of paint.
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Smash-ing.
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Now lets put things into perspective...You can play as this guy...
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lol
Seriously
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Both are nice as far as renders go. As a boardgame mini, the T-Rex seems to be a bit of brained idea but to itch his own I guess.
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It's from the Batcave. In the Court Of Owls story, when they invade the mansion and attack Bat's in his cave. He activates the remote controlled Dinosaur. :o
Crazy, but true
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Some new figures have been revealed
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Ok, I'll eat my words....Those last few sculpts are awesome!!! I'm super excited again.
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Lots of new news has been announced.
Images of the GCPD are here
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The whole gang are there. Talking about the gang, the game will come in 2 boxes. One for the heroes and one for the villain. This is to ease the set up of the game.
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Plus Beasts of War have posted a video on gameplay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPDMtOX0sGI&t=65s
As have I:
https://youtu.be/pr0ugsGvUSc
And a 10th impression video
https://youtu.be/77dg5aOfILI
And Monolith have published a trailer too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGFsT5_ELpQ
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I'm getting mildly excited myself 8)
Managed to find some never (as in, made in the last decade) Batman collection albums to read so as to get in the modern Bat mood.
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Nice big pictures, but for those of us in Tablet land difficult to see.
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Not just tablets. On PC those images are more than half off the page/screen edge.
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Another BIG picture of our friend Victor Fries, the cryogenics specialist in the frost...ah! flesh
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Hi,
Love the big pictures! Lets you see all the details.
For those with screen size issues, look here:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=107327.0
Greetings,
Zeebeest.
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Thanks zeebeast, toggled the sidebar off, so Victor's gun shows on the post. Still have to scroll to see the rest of the figure. At least I now know there is something there. ^__^.
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Viewing pics with a bigger width as 1024 is IMO a real pain. o_o
But I have a feeling that many really do not know how to rescale a picture, or are unable to do so because of (C) issues...
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It's live! Assuming you can get it to click through.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/806316071/batmantm-gotham-city-chronicles
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I am in.
Almost at one and a half million,
in less than a day.
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All in 8)
Still ways to go until the assumed Real Super Secret Funding Goal tho, was it like 3 million or something like that?
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Want to go in on this but sadly won't. I know it would just languish in a cupboard somewhere.
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I'm in for the base game. Most of the sculpts I dont like, turned out to be in the expansions or stretch goals, so I'm happy :)
I wont be playing the boardgame. I'll definitely use some for SMF, but I might give Knight Models Batman game a try or a mix?
As a bonus the Knight Models game uses the same scale (35 or 32mm, I can never remember which) as Monoliths game, so there's a good source of extra figures and replacements. Harley and possibly Ivy will need replacing.
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I'm most disappointed with the Harley version they have myself. More so because the models tend to match the box cover art fairly well apart from her. Hopefully the project soars to such height that they need to come up with a "Suicide Squad Harley" to fill up stretch goal niches >:D
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Over all I am very happy with what I see.
Hard to wait till 2019 for the game to come out.
But that's life.
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If anyone wants to check out the rules (WIP), there is a PDF on line:
https://the-overlord.net/index.php?/topic/437-batman-gotham-city-chronicles-rulebook-draft-version-101/
And there are a handful of reviews and playthroughs to watch on YouTube, from The Dice Tower, Beasts Of War and myself :P
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I'm a little surprised with the slow growth of the last week or so with this. It's very likely to go over the (semi)Secret Magical Real Funding Goal of 3 mil eventually but still. Maybe Monolith kind of painted themselves into a corner when they promised all stretch goals to every backer so there is less incentive to go All In instead of hanging on to the base game pledge at less than half the price. AI pledges might have more pull if extension stretch goals were exclusive to that.
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I dont think anyone would go for the base game, if it didnt include all the stretch goals.
I do think its a mistake not to reveal more than one or two stretch goals at a time. Some potential backers might be waiting for specific models and right now, they dont know if they'll even show up as a goal.
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I’m genuinely relieved that I don’t really like the style of the minis in this one... otherwise I’d be spending money I can’t afford lol
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I'm a little surprised with the slow growth of the last week or so with this.
Typically, to continue funding during the mid-campaign, creators will add the add-ons. Monolith, however, put them up front, so all this money was added at the beginning of the campaign, rather than the middle.
KS reveal only the current and next SG to keep interest, and because it lets them adjust the SG goal posts. This lets them have some control over the rate of funding. Also, many backers think the SG's are fixed, anyway, so they're just going to set the goals suchthat one SG is hit per day.
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Sometimes, they have been placing two stretch goals at the same time.
But don't get to comfortable, Monolith are going to shake things up on their next project.
They hate this "stretch goal" thing. They feel it is too superficial.
But whats not to like...
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Yep, all in for me too.... ;D ;D
Anyone see any pics comparing Monolith's figs with Knight Models? I'd just be curious to see.
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Not me. Monolith's Facebook might have something, or if painters of the (preproduction?) minis have been mentioned there or in the KS project page then their blogs/whathavethey.
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I don't have the KM killer croc so this is the best I can do.
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The monolith model is very sturdy which I like a lot. The KM resin is very fragile and I've already broken quite a few models, mostly the ankles of the female superheros. This is one of the reasons I'm giving the harry potter game a miss as I'm concerned the wands will break easily.
Not yet decided on backing this kickstarter as I don't really have much interest of adding this to my personal collection but might be worth getting the basic set for the business.
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Thank you kind sir!!
It'd be a shame if you didn't get this game and paint up those figs!! That would be a huge investment in your time, but I doubt you'd have any trouble making the monetary part back.
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KM and Monoliths should be the same scale. I can never remember if both are 32mm or 35mm though.
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Batman:GCC minis are 35mm. Very sturdy as they are made of a mix of PVC and ABS plastics.
In fact, only one figure broke after 4 strenuous days of play testing at Essen last year.
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Talking of miniatures, the latest update has some resin casts on show:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/806316071/batmantm-gotham-city-chronicles/posts/2134536
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The project has broken the Secret Real Funding Goal of 3 million at pretty close the mid-way mark. Some grumbling about lack of stretch goals (or about not getting the right stretch goals) in the comments but despite that it looks to be still growing somewhat steadily, if not fast.
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Just think, with another 2 weeks what other goals it will break...
We already have a bucket load of extra minis. And there are still some major character I haven't seen.
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We already have a bucket load of extra minis. And there are still some major character I haven't seen.
Unfortunately, your average KS backer doesn't think about the pile of stash they already have gained, they only think about the stuff they still could get from stretch goals. And as we look to have entered the mid-project doldrums with this particular project (even tho it still netted over $10,000 yesterday), they are starting to lament the lack of those gains. Funnily I've not only seen complaints about how very few/next to no new SGs will be reached, I also saw a somewhat conspiracy theoretical post that Monolith upped the steps between SGs because they don't have enough SGs to last the whole campaign.
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SG (to Monolith) are a shop window. And this will be the last project that will have them. They are completely unnecessary evil for game designers. Everyone want's new SG to be made up on the fly or added from suggestions by backers. And you've seen no complaint because Monolith have been transparent about the KS.
Batman GCC is a fully formed game, with everything already designed, authorized and play tested. The SG may seem a little lack luster for some but it is what it is. Your paying for a game, minis and the licence. Not to have you name place on the box or a solo mode that is tacked on and doesn't work.
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A few of the early stretch goals were essential (like Penguin) and I wouldnt have pledged without them, but after Two Face unlocked I havent really cared much about the stretch goals.
Its getting close to $1 per miniature for a base game pledge and thats not counting the terrain pieces or all the boardgame bits that I'll probably sell off anyways.
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And some of those minis are rather big as well...
Anyhow, the project looks to have picked up the pace a bit again. REF the latest update (and talking of bigger-than-average figs), Tusk was a bit of an "out of the left field" SG for me.
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Tusk was a bit of an "out of the left field" SG for me.
agreed but interesting all the same
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Another surprise stretch goal was unlocked. I never thought that I'd see the day that a "Holly Cow" would actually be in a Batman game. But here it is.
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Another surprise stretch goal was unlocked. I never thought that I'd see the day that a "Holly Cow" would actually be in a Batman game. But here it is.
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That should have been released on this Easter Sunday....
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Getting close to the end. In fact there 38 hour left and a lot of stretch goals have just been unlocked.
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Who will be next?
Will there be a next?
Is that a Batmite?
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Well, that didn't go anywhere near as high as I expected it would :?
Not that over 4 mil is anything to sneer at, but still I thought it'd break 5 at least. Maybe the usually fairly predictable last minute ramp up failed to materialize 'cuz the project ended over the Easter weekend?
Not assuming any late pledge SGs, on the plus side (for Monolith, that is) they likely have a few iconic characters up their sleeve 3D'd and approved so they can launch an expansion KS sometime down the line. Hopefully they do fulfill this one before that tho... I want my ton of plastic and cardboard in about a year 8)
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Don't we all.
;)
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Well, that didn't go anywhere near as high as I expected it would :?
Showing all the add-ons up-front front-loaded the pledging so, I think, there wasn't as much hype towards the later part of the campaign. If you don't make backer excited with the SG's, introducing add-ons can sustain interest.
The game focused on the last 15 years of DC comics, so only mostly appealed to readers of that time period. So anyone more casual probably didn't recognize many of the characters and so perhaps didn't pledge.
Still, 4.4M is quite a bit. It's in the top 10, and there's a BGG thread which KS it passed.
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Showing all the add-ons up-front front-loaded the pledging so, I think, there wasn't as much hype towards the later part of the campaign. If you don't make backer excited with the SG's, introducing add-ons can sustain interest.
The game focused on the last 15 years of DC comics, so only mostly appealed to readers of that time period. So anyone more casual probably didn't recognize many of the characters and so perhaps didn't pledge.
Still, 4.4M is quite a bit. It's in the top 10, and there's a BGG thread which KS it passed.
Quoted for truth - this is exactly it for me. I was going to back it, and the core game was a pretty good deal alone, but I found the stretch goals underwhelming - the sculpt quality, particularly on the female figures, was dubious, and even though I'm a comics fan I didn't recognize half the stretch goal characters. In the end I backed out, and actually have no regrets.
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Since the game is advertised as kickstarter only, I think they had to show the add ons from the beginning. Personally it helped me decide that I didnt want any of the add ons.
I dont know half the characters in the game as my Batman lore is from movies and the animated series, but I can read up on them and/or repurpose them as other heroes. A man or woman with a mask and cape is very useful. File off any logo and sculpt or paint your own and you're good to go.
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Since the game is advertised as kickstarter only, I think they had to show the add ons from the beginning. Personally it helped me decide that I didnt want any of the add ons.
I dont know half the characters in the game as my Batman lore is from movies and the animated series, but I can read up on them and/or repurpose them as other heroes. A man or woman with a mask and cape is very useful. File off any logo and sculpt or paint your own and you're good to go.
Maybe that is true. For me it also helped me to decide that while the basic game was good value for money the add-ons weren’t. Maybe I will add the versus-mode add on, but even here I’m struggling, because as Munindk also said, the Batman lore they offered (who the hell are most of the guys, Manbat? Seriously?) is not what I was interested.
Last year the Joanne of Arc-KS had a different approach and really got me when halfway through the campaign the showed the terrain-add on, the infernal army etc. I quickly saw that all-in was a good option to get what I wanted plus lots of freebies.
With Batman it felt like the all-in gave you little price reduction on stuff you (well at least I) didn’t really want.
Anyway, nearly 4.5 millions is pretty good. I had hoped they would reveal Superman, Wonder Woman and the rest of the cool guys in an addon close to the end, but maybe that’s planned for the next KS.
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SG (to Monolith) are a shop window. And this will be the last project that will have them. They are completely unnecessary evil for game designers. Everyone want's new SG to be made up on the fly or added from suggestions by backers....
Just pointing out mileage will vary on this; just because they are an unnecessary evil to Monolith does not mean the same for all designers. :)
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A post on BGG was that Monolith expected 8M, and needed 3M to break even.
If you look at the KickTraq Daily Data, Batman made 2.1M on the first two days with 8900 backers, but only .6M on the last two with 3400. Conventionally, boardgame miniature KS made 1/3 of their funding on the first two days, and 1/3 on their last two, but this is for KS that add add-ons during the campaign. So, it's not surprising that the last two days didn't make as much as the first two, but I dunno what model would have predicted .6M on the last two days.
EDIT: Here's a geeklist of the funding rankings. Pretty interesting that Batman and Nemesis funded about the same. That either says the Nemesis campaign did unusually well (Nemesis is a coop not-Aliens games) and/or Batman did not. https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/165271/top-10-funded-kickstarter-boardgame-projects
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Late pledges will be available in May looks like. Will have to see if anything interesting happens at that stage.
ETA -- pledge manager dates are from May 3 to 31.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/806316071/batmantm-gotham-city-chronicles/posts/2165413
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Pledge Manager has opened on FLUENT platform (plus we have a bonus stretch goal, yay!):
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/806316071/batmantm-gotham-city-chronicles/posts/2177630
New to me but apparently used by Monolith previously. P&p to Finland was quite decent (ca. $36) but not so much to some other countries and with no immediately apparent logic in regards to location/cost (as seen in the KS comments, almost $300 to Malta :o).
No idea how a late pledge would work in FLUENT but possibly Monolith will get around to enlightening us on the subject.
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Lots of complaining about the shipping costs for the all in pledge. It seems that people didnt read the fine print*: shipping estimates were for the core game pledge.
If you're buying 2-3 times the amount in volume, shipping costs are bound to increase.
*Apparently the some of the fine print was buried in the comment sections, bad from by Monolith
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Apparently late pledge should work just by pressing the [[Late pledge]] button at the top of the KS page. Not sure tho, it gave me errors when I tested it but that may have been because I had a FLUENT token on my browser and the site didn't like it...
ETA -- anyway here's a bit more detail on what's going on with FLUENT & al: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/806316071/batmantm-gotham-city-chronicles/posts/2178585
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Apparently the pledge manager will be open for another due to problems with getting p&p right. Presumably late pledges will work until it closes too tho they didn't say (at a glance):
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/806316071/batmantm-gotham-city-chronicles/posts/2200433
Anyhow a rather large percentage (ca. 25) of the peeps have yet to complete the survey o_o
Hopefully the closing date won't start stretching into further and further into the future 'cuz folks don't know how to use FLUENT.
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Just to inform you that Monolith's next project is getting ready to hit Kickstarter this October.
Claustrophobia 1643.
Which is a new edition of the original Claustrophobia that came out in 2009
Here is an image that compares the miniatures
(https://scontent-cdt1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41663786_1589898377781806_7873759275112202240_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=8d47a188afc9bf6e0e59c87f8e1d8d74&oe=5C37100B)
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So, this is apparently delivering as some folks are claiming to have received a set. As for me, I haven't even gotten a tracking number yet... But I got around to wondering, has anybody already taken a comparison pic of a GCC character mini with the same (or supposedly same size) Knight Model character mini ??? I couldn't easily find one when I looked this morning.
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Excuse me all. I missed this Batman Kickstarter. Is it correct that there is going to be a Second one starting this June 4th, 2019? With opportunity to get contents of 1st Kickstarter?
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Excuse me all. I missed this Batman Kickstarter. Is it correct that there is going to be a Second one starting this June 4th, 2019? With opportunity to get contents of 1st Kickstarter?
I believe that is correct, everything from "the 1st wave" should be available again.
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Here is a comparison shot, Joker is Knight Models, the rest are Monolith
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THX!
Looks like they are Goddamn Batman pretty close, tho Monolith ones are a little taller.
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BTW I got a tracking number for my GCC all-in, well in advance of the projected delivery tomorrow :P
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My stuff showed up in Canada a few weeks ago. I've opened it all, ogled the goodies inside and then realized I don't have anyone to game with for a month or so. :(
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My stuff showed up in Canada a few weeks ago. I've opened it all, ogled the goodies inside and then realized I don't have anyone to game with for a month or so. :(
Loads of time to paint it all then before the first game. :)
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Thats a luxury problem my stuff wont leave the warehouse until 20-24th of may.
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:?
My all-in landed yesterday as projected (in Finland). Funnily, the courier carried it to a depot 750 meters from my door but they couldn't be bothered to deliver to my doorstep... Ah well, I suppose it's their policy and as I often work from home some days a week anyway it didn't cause particular extra bother to wait for it to be delivered to my address.
Anyhow, an impressive mass of boxes. Checking the contents will have to wait until weekend however.
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I ended up with 2 Jokers and no Riddler, should be easily solvable
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I can't recall ATM who you're supposed to call when something like that happens o_o
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Luckily, it looks like I have everything. Yay! Well, at least I have everything listed on every box tho I'm not 101% sure it's all that's supposed to be in the all-in pledge.
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I got my game yesterday, didnt get a shipping notice it just showed up.
If anyone is interested in any of the boardgame stuff (anything but the minis) send me a PM :)
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Did you get any 3D terrain? I think there's supposed to be at least a safe and a computer in there somewhere, but I can't recall seeing any :?
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I only got the base game, but there was a little bag of computers and thingies in one of the miniature trays.
I think its in the heroes box, in tray with the police officers?
*edit* I checked the kickstarter page and it looks like the stuff in my box, I'll double later today or tomorrow. If the safe is in there, its tiny. */edit*
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This is supposedly a complete breakdown of all the minis that are available:
https://airtable.com/shr8NHrEESn52XiQz/tblJrMHFr2ugiCqaB/viw6fXYnmEuG83YJB
It does look like that stuff should be in the hero box... Anyhow, I'll have to double check that I have everything since I only counted the numbers for the tokens and such basically. I did check that I've got all the character and trooper minis.
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I wont be playing the game, so I only checked the miniatures.
Its in the villain box, and its a very small safe.
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Getting some of the minis painted up for the 2nd scenario, all the first scenario is painted