Lead Adventure Forum
Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: Manchu on March 15, 2017, 02:02:05 AM
-
An upcoming fantasy skirmish game from 4Ground ... KS coming in June.
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Yt98Sa88Jxc/WMGjtljwqdI/AAAAAAABK_s/gePsRzw7YmoDpsChSGUEjjaD8l7z1M56gCLcB/s1600/16142731_337976253268184_2557121331589268183_n.jpg)
http://www.beastsofwar.com/4ground/legends-fabled-realms-coming-soon/
The Druggoi are the leaders of a band of ravenous monsters infected with a deadly virus known as the Drugoul. These beasts then fall into lesser categories including the Gluttons and the Terrors. Each of them is a fearsome foe ready to rip you limb from limb.
Conversely the Eightfold Path are a religious order of valiant warriors. They are dedicated to the eradication of evil, especially the Druggoi. Made up of two main sections the order is split into the Initiates and the Ascended. The Ascended are those who have consumed the blood of the Druggoi and have not been corrupted. Those who pass the test have shown their strength of will.
Sounds a lot like Dragon Age, no?
Some features:
- active/reactive player structure
- 6-30 figs per side
- custom dice
- there will be standard fantasy races
FB Page: https://www.facebook.com/The-Legends-Of-Fabled-Realms-334856040246872/?ref=ts&fref=ts
-
I had a chance to play this at Salute this year, thought I'd post some thoughts here.
- The mini's are gorgeous. Quite chunky, I'd say heroic 28mm at least. They drew me to the table in a big way. The humans have a real old school D&D feel to them, henchmen with axes and spears supporting heavily armed warriors and sneaky halflings. The Druggoi are more interesting than there somewhat generic sounding background makes them seem, and even the generic ghouls looked great on the table.
- There is a deckbuilding element to the game. You build a deck of special abilities before each game and they are drawn each round to boost your warband. This creates an extra layer of strategy and tactics, as you have both dice rolling and cardplay in the battles.
- This is a buckets of dice game. Abilities are rated by how many red, blue and white dice they give a player to roll, and you can roll tons at a time. Fighting and reactive actions involves opposing die rolls, and when the leaders were going up against each other we were literally rolling about 10-15 dice each to resolve combat. There are regular hits, crits, and 'super crits', which cancel each other out in various ways.
I had a lot of fun playtesting this game, but I think it's got quite a bit of bloat at the moment. With tons of dice, special abilities and symbols on the character cards alone, PLUS a whole layer of deckbuilding and card play going on, there is perhaps TOO much happening in each round. However, it was still fun, and that's what matters right? There's a few months until the KS comes out so hopefully intensive playtesting will streamline the game a little more, and hopefully reduce the instances of 30 odd dice needing to be rolled to resolve a combat with a couple of minis a side :D
(http://i.imgur.com/uS3pW8l.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/tAupJkk.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/arSWF8S.jpg)
-
This looks really cool, I'll have to keep an eye on it.
-
Watched a few videos on it, and without playing it, my fears are more akin to Jay's observations. I love the minis (my main interest, anyway), but the game mechanics did not appeal to me much at all. Looked, as mentioned, rather...finnicky w/ little reason. I love 4Ground and the products they make so I'm happy to see more miniatures coming from a quality company --- the game will probably get a pass from me though.
-
Same here: I'm quite happy with ASoBH but some of those figs would look great on my table.
-
Well, I will pick up a few of those undead/demonlike guys, look pretty good. The game, we'll see... At least it's a skirmish game, so not too much models needed, a pre in my book. :)
-
The minis look great. I'm not too excited about the game since it doesn't sound like what I like to think of as a good "dad" game. Meaning a game where most of the game play happens at the table, not in list building, and not too much stuff for a sleep deprived brain to remember. SobH is a great "dad" game.
I'll definitely back for the minis, but I'm hoping it isn't crazy successful so I get the stuff faster rather than two years into the future.
-
Like the minis and the background but will need to watch a gameplay vid or two I think before committing to the KS.
-
Looks interesting. Thanks for posting.
-Michael
-
There was very interesting interview with the authors on Beast of War - including pictures of three factions and some talk about the game mechanics. The fluff sounds amazing and I love the visual side of LotFL. It seems lot of effort and enthusiasm was put in this project.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebk02pi2yP4&t=2679s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebk02pi2yP4&t=2679s)
-
Overview of The Legends of Fabled Realms posted on dakkadakka by endtransmission:
I got to play a demo with of this at the uk games expo earlier today. I have to admit, this has gone from sorta-interested to must-buy as the mechanics were quite refreshing.
The entire system is reaction based. Each force gets a number of action points (I forget what they were actually called) that have to last your turn and your opponent's. These points are used to activate a character or squad, either as part of your turn, or as a reaction to something.
As an example I had two points to spend. The first was used to declare a move towards the enemy. The enemy spent one of theirs declaring a charge at the point he thought I was going to move into. As these two conflicted, we had an initiative style roll off to see who actually activated first. I won, forcing him to move first and only moving part of the way, causing his charge to fail.
Characters have base stats. That are dice related, for example my hero had a base attack of two d6 and one d8. He also had a heavy sword that added another d8 and a skill that added another d6 and d8. As a character or soldier gains xp, new skills or equipment, these dice will change making them stronger.
The dice are special dice containing blank faces, hit, critical and in the case of the d12, super criticals. Tests are Vs rolls with the symbols cancelling each other out. Critical and super criticals both cause one wound each; one or more unsaved hit symbols equates one wound, regardless of number.
Each force has a deck of cards that they get to draw from that include events, spells or special effects for use. Some of these are generic, others are force or character specific. There was one that was a suicide attack that, if successful, outright kills the enemy model... at the expense of your character's life as well.... so rarely used!
When someone reach a 0 wounds you roll to see if they are out of action or dead. In most cases they are just out of action and will heal up over time. Dead is dead and the winner gets to loot the bodies. We didn't get to talk more about the rest of the between-game bits sadly.
Model wise they have lots of plans for figures and terrain to add as stretch goals. Terrain will be included in the campaign at roughly 20% discount. They are still working the numbers. He did say there will be one level that includes about £1800 worth of terrain for about £1200-ish for the uber rich. There are also new terrain sets for this, including a neat fort with four multi floor buildings and walls.
There is a lower level that includes the starter set (two forces, rules, cards, tokens and enough terrain for a 4x4 table for about £200. What they consider enough terrain is about 4 or 5 ruins and a tree or two. Again, this isn't final and they keep adding more in.
Video battle reports will be going up on BoW in the next week or so to show off more of the rules
I hope there will also a pledge just for a starter with rules, miniatures and dice. I have plenty of terrain already.
-
:-* :-* :-*This minis truly look great, i'm agree with Manchu, they remind me Dragon Age,I really like the men-at-arms models,but I hope they go with metal... ::)
-
EDIT: I asked them on facebook and they were a little cagey but essentially said "resin type", so I'm not 100% sure what that means. Zealot Miniatures (resin company) has been doing the masters for them. I tried to find my facebook post and I can't, but sadly they're not metal (and yes this will impact me buying the whole range, sadly)
Did some more searching on Facebook and I see a different response saying "they will be plastic"...and now my post is missing. So, maybe they don't even know? :D They did mention pre-assembled, so I'm leaning towards something like Dust Tactics figures maybe?
-
Not metal? Shame. They'll drop waaaay down on the 'To Get' list then. Best of luck to 4 Ground tho.
-
I'm waiting to see what the final material is. 4Ground is not about cheap gaming, so I don't think we need to worry about Mantic levels of mediocre quasi-plastic, but I'm suspicious.
Pre-assembled plastic doesn't bode exceptionally well, but it's about 148% higher than resin for me (with metal clearly at the top). I suspect this will be answered and made very clear during the Kickstarter and we'll probably see promo figures as well.
-
It seems the models will be hard plastic, but slightly larger variant in resin will be released for painters. Check the interviews:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Lw3YmnumyI&feature=share (starting aroun 34 minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGqGnQrM54E&feature=share
-
I hope that's the case, very cool. The resin masters from Zealot looked ridiculously good.
-
Looks interesting... I wonder kind of of pledge levels they'll end up having.
-
Those look cool, I would buy them if for sale.
As a KS, I won't touch them.
-
Price will be the deciding factor for me.
-
Me too, though that core set does look nice....
http://mailchi.mp/25ec83544a7b/37wf3kz4q9-1301589
-
The English is a bit alarming:
Mother wills for more initiates to fight the coming tied of death out of Daldorr.
What Legends will you wright.
A quick glimpses of the contents of a starter set.
-
Woah, that email is riddled with awful writing and grammar mistakes. Minis are nice, but if that's the standard of the book, wow......
-
Ouch!
That's almost as bad, as when I post using my phone. Every thing autocorrects to my detriment. lol
-
http://www.beastsofwar.com/the-legends-of-fabled-realms/started-4ground-show-starter-sets/
-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE1NkVNl0HA
-
And if any body is still interested the kick starter is here.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/250544710/the-legends-of-fabled-realms?ref=hero_thanks
-
My one criticism when i saw this at salute was that they should keep the models BIG! they look great that big, really chunky figures ,great detail, looks amazing on the table and on a shelf.
I'm so glad they're doing them big for the kickstarter, Not sure if i can back it but hopefully i can at least get a starter box of bigly miniatures.
-
I really am struggling to get excited about the rules from what I've seen...so I'm probably still sitting on the "I want the miniatures" side of things.
Now, to muddy the waters even MORE, the latest 4Ground response to the miniatures is that they're "pre-assembled plastics and some multi-part resins". So basically...no friggin' clue. :D
I'm hoping that the multi-part resins are maybe some KS exclusives or single characters, while the starter boxes will be plastics? Who knows. lol
-
I really am struggling to get excited about the rules from what I've seen...so I'm probably still sitting on the "I want the miniatures" side of things.
Now, to muddy the waters even MORE, the latest 4Ground response to the miniatures is that they're "pre-assembled plastics and some multi-part resins". So basically...no friggin' clue. :D
I'm hoping that the multi-part resins are maybe some KS exclusives or single characters, while the starter boxes will be plastics? Who knows. lol
From what i remember at salute it had alot of cards and tokens and dials... so erghh...
But yeah, the minis are pretty and i like the style of the boards they've built.
-
Just heard that the pre-assembled figures are PVC. :'( I had assumed they might be with the pre-assembled thing, but I have serious doubts about the end result quality of the figures if this is the case.
-
Just heard that the pre-assembled figures are PVC. :'( I had assumed they might be with the pre-assembled thing, but I have serious doubts about the end result quality of the figures if this is the case.
I agree with the above, but I also think neither pewter nor resin are viable if you want to make money with minis.
-
Not for me I'm afraid. I like the minis, but pvc is not the best material for quality sculpts. It's fine for boardgames (Blood Rage minis are excellent) and buying cheap for mass battles, but for skirmish games I would think you want better quality casts. Paying £40 for a handful of pvc figures - not gonna happen. All the extra cards and gubbins doesn't attract me either. Shame.
-
They should have contacted Prodos. The material of which e.g. Demigods Rising has been made is truly excellent. Not too happy with the 28mm Blood Rage and The Others models. The larger ones in blue plastic on the other hand are good enough.
We'll see, won't back this one but maybe will pick it up later if the miniatures turn out to be ok.
-
It seems that 4ground really listens to the response. They changed the stretch goals and introduced this nice starter for two players. Not bad for £70!
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/017/345/920/8a07fc5a9a210740399956c913be644c_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1499005555&auto=format&q=92&s=403d110efdbfff112d257dec9e6f27d3)
As to the miniatures material, they claim to work with the best professionals in the field. I think that some hard PVC figures have great quality these days. Like it or not, large part of our hobby will probably go this direction in the future...
New add-onn allows you to buy just miniatures without cards, dice and so on. https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/017/331/456/cca34122dcb5e336c2f2206a002ee996_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1498873227&auto=format&q=92&s=0a2b4e6d43ca0098977f43bbbd204651 (https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/017/331/456/cca34122dcb5e336c2f2206a002ee996_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1498873227&auto=format&q=92&s=0a2b4e6d43ca0098977f43bbbd204651)
-
Also can someone change the name of this topic? It's called "The Legends of Fabled Realms" not "Lands" ;)
-
They posted up saying that the PVC will be made by the same company that makes the Mythic Battles, CMON, and Conan game miniatures.
-
It's still PVC whoever makes it. And that should mean cheap and plentiful. It doesn't really make sense to me to provide figures in a bargain basement material at a boutique price.
-
It's still PVC whoever makes it. And that should mean cheap and plentiful. It doesn't really make sense to me to provide figures in a bargain basement material at a boutique price.
You can buy the starter miniatures in resin now. Eight high quality casts for £42 sound pretty good.
I think this KS started kind of akward but it starts to find the righ direction. As it goes on and some stretch goals were altered, you'll get great value for the basic £40 pledge. Don't forget it includes the rulebook and lots of cards and tokens, not just the miniatures. The retail value for this items is over £70.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/017/356/153/56d6d437b91c3dd6c2dbf8c719660195_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1499086297&auto=format&q=92&s=cb0a0757390a7ddc2aa0add2748e7de4)
-
New stretch goal reached, so now the Sale sword faction will be up for order.
-
for those who missed it. This is a recording of the live Q&A. They got into the background and why they are doing things the way they are.
https://live.kickstarter.com/cad-jeal/live-stream/first-kickstarter-live-event
-
All of the first 4 warbands seemed to have been unlocked now.
-
While I'm still probably sitting this out - a lot of reshuffling of prices and content. Some levels now looking more appropriate - though I'm still "meh" about the materials chosen.
-
I was going all in honestly. but I have to replace a flat tire now. So Think I will just wait for it to hit the store shelves. :?
-
I am amazed how thought-out and rich is the word of Fabled Realms - check out the Beast of War videos or Kickstarter streams. Also the value of pledges in this KS starts to be almost ridiculous :) So much stuff for £40? Seriously?
https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/017/461/018/e4880a75f41bb78a4b9e5925eea2d4e6_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1499785682&auto=format&q=92&s=131d5ebf7893936b1891bce435810b13
-
Hi
I watched the game play and the different levels of the game really intrigue me. The initiative system is great so you get to evade a charge, or duck into cover from enemy about to fire at you, if you win the initiative you can throw some henchmen to absorb a charge on your flank, etc.
The combat with the deck building seems to hold both players engaged during the entire combat. The ability to “play” with allocation of hits in a swirling melee of lots of figures is great. The way the leader effects the combat is interesting. The card deck building is just another level to plan and then hope that luck will be on your side and you get the cards you need. The size of the deck is not fixed so you can have a large deck or a small one to cycle thru quickly.
The figures are ok, PVC will be fine, what they can do these days is amazing, I got my hands on some of the blood rage figures and they as good as most metal or resin figures on the market. The sculpt still relies more on the sculptor than the material these days. As to the look of the figures the undead guys look the most interesting, while the other more high fantasy, not my cup of tea I will probably proxy in Confrontation figures (you can always proxy in Confrontation figures!!!!). They also mention a pad for creating your own figures so again proxy is no problem.
I jumped in at the 200 pound level. I want the Buildings from 4Ground. Some of the items at that pledge level make little sense, however, overall I think this will be a more interesting and layered combat system then most on the market!
William
-
I like almost everything I've seen from this but I'll probably wait for a general release because of:
Estimated delivery: September 2018
14 months (and probably more, rarely seen a Kickstarter deliver on time) of waiting is just too long...
-
Just a reminder, Kickstarter started penalizing companies who were not meeting their "delivery dates" (not sure how), so a lot of companies have started increasing their estimated delivery dates by 100-150% to cover this.
That being said, a 14 month time frame is about on par for a normal project of this size. (though it would appear they already have the majority of files done).
-
Just a reminder, Kickstarter started penalizing companies who were not meeting their "delivery dates" (not sure how), so a lot of companies have started increasing their estimated delivery dates by 100-150% to cover this.
That being said, a 14 month time frame is about on par for a normal project of this size. (though it would appear they already have the majority of files done).
Yeah, that never happened.
Kickstarter won't lift a finger against obvious bad projects. They certainly haven't added any sort of penalty system. Bad for business.
~Eric
-
Is there an actual example about KS acting on the behalf of the backers rather than project owners and license holders? I think what KS did so far was all talk and no action, unless I am very mistaken.
-
Not sure. I've simply seen several KS creators talking about it.