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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: Sangennaru on April 13, 2017, 08:59:24 AM
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Hello everyone!
I've been experimenting with a few stonework techniques since a while, and so far i've found three interesting techniques, although the third has several sub-techniques that could be adapted.
So... here it is:
1 Carved ceramic structure
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/ruinFourSides.jpg)
Here the structure has been created as a single chunk of ceramic plaster with the shape of the final wall piece. The advantage is being able to create complex shapes with many edges and curves, but the carving process is rather time consuming.
2 individual ceramic bricks
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/12493969_943310642384524_3700258780359706665_o.jpg)
This seemed promising, but the bricks were standing out too much. I guess that with a finer file work they could fit better. Far too much involved for that though.
3.1 Sharp polyurethane bricks
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/P2017637.jpg)
While i liked the shape, the sharp corners made them look weird, both quasi-industrial but very rough on the faces. Weird.
3.1 Soft polyurethane bricks
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/17879958_1293718647343720_7838449082838679390_o.jpg)Here i wanted to have something softer (to contrast the sharp corners of 3.1), but it ended up being a bit cartoonish. I had good reactions by the viewers, but still something was off.
3.1 Intermediate polyurethane bricks
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/17880161_1296236657091919_7827978510727308722_o.jpg)
I might have found a good compromise here, but i'd like to hear from you. What's your opinion?
Thanks for watching, i'm really looking for suggestions and ideas about that. I'd like to make a rather large range and find a good company willing to take it, but first i want to spot the right technique.
Thanks!!
Jack
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I like best the soft polyurethane bricks. They don't look that cartoonish to me. Anyway that's a tremendous research job you've done here.
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I find the individual bricks absolutely the best looking! With the right painting, I'm 100% certain that those would create an ultra realistic result.
They look exactly like those in the sandstone buildings we have around here, down to the detail.
My favorite for sure... 8)
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Skills
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Thanks everyone! I wasn't expecting appreciation for the ceramic bricks, that's interesting!
As for now, i'm prepping the first cast for all the foam bricks walls, eager to see them cured!
Cheers, and thanks!
Jack
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One is curious on how you make them polyurethane bricks if it's no trade secret. ;)
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My favorites are the individual ceramic bricks and sharp polyurethane by far. The rounded and softer bricks look too much like river rock.
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Wow! Well I won't be any help here I think they are all great. would love to see these produced
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I like all of your attempts, although I do agree with you about the soft polyurethane looking a "bit" cartoonish, which may not be the popular opinion. If you forced me to make a choice (and it is difficult) I would choose the intermediate polyurethane.
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Thank you all!! I'd love to see them produced somehow as well, in a larger range possibly!
I have to say, while looking at the last three sculpts in resin they don't look MUCH different and they could almost fit together well.
Here's a quick shot, with paint on the differences should flatten even more!
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/P4137716.jpg)(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/P4137715.jpg)
I'm still tending towards the intermediate solution (the one with the door), but it doesn't seem that different to me right now :)
One is curious on how you make them polyurethane bricks if it's no trade secret. ;)
Oh, no trade secret at all: Simply cut foam cubes, slightly smooth the edges, then with a rock add texture and cuts with an exacto. Pretty straightforward. Took me a while to master the process, but now i can build a wall like the ones above in little more than one evening. :)
Now, for something more "juicy": I'm in DESPERATE need for suggestions, now that I have a feasible way to build walls (and i've got a decent woodworking set of skills, so that i can make ruins of half-timbered houses, in the style of Escenorama) i'd really need a larger project, to fill a whole table and to offer to any possible buyer company a full range to setup. Possibly modular.
So, if anyone is so kind to be willing to post drawings, it would be terrific!!!
Thanks everybody for the very kind and encouraging words,
Jack
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Oh! You're the lazy forger! I just liked your FB page and never made the connection lol
Can you tell me what you make the "ceramic" bricks out of?
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Different horses for different courses! They all have their uses! The soft polyurethane ones, for example, look more weather worn and rounded. They all, when based, would great as ruins! :-*
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Very nice results with all these materials! :o
...and your stones overlap properly, as any self-respecting stone mason would have them, avoiding "coup de sabre" mistakes as much as possible. :)
(http://www.bokoneg.com/i/taol-sabrenn.jpg)
A suggestion for painting: the spaces between the stones does not always appear darker than the stones; for example if the mortar joints are a mixture of local sand and lime they would appear light greyish yellow (as in some parts of this old wall near my home where some very old mortar joints remain - perhaps one day I shall feel self-confident enough to repair them properly, the hole where the sand came from still exists not far away it has been shown to me by a guy whose father did these joints 60 years ago).
(http://www.bokoneg.com/i/moger-Bokoneg.jpg)
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Thanks everyone! Sorry for the late reply, just got back from Vilnius - not much stonework there.
Oh! You're the lazy forger! I just liked your FB page and never made the connection lol
Can you tell me what you make the "ceramic" bricks out of?
That's ceramic plaster, a sort of ultra-hard plaster, that holds the details quite well. It's also a pain to carve, due to its hardness. :(
Different horses for different courses! They all have their uses! The soft polyurethane ones, for example, look more weather worn and rounded. They all, when based, would great as ruins! :-*
Thanks Andym! I think that i will eventually keep working with the latest of the polyurethane solutions, as it is much faster and gives good results. :)
Very nice results with all these materials! :o
...and your stones overlap properly, as any self-respecting stone mason would have them, avoiding "coup de sabre" mistakes as much as possible. :)
Thanks! I really tried to avoid the coup de sabre when building the model. I'm glad you approve ^_^
A suggestion for painting: the spaces between the stones does not always appear darker than the stones; for example if the mortar joints are a mixture of local sand and lime they would appear light greyish yellow (as in some parts of this old wall near my home where some very old mortar joints remain - perhaps one day I shall feel self-confident enough to repair them properly, the hole where the sand came from still exists not far away it has been shown to me by a guy whose father did these joints 60 years ago).
Noted! Considering my sculpt-to-paint ratio, it will be a while before i paint something with those, though! ^_^
Soon more experiments in this direction! I'm trying to go modular as well! ^^
Cheers
Jack
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Hello everyone!
Following your stream of suggestions and feedback (together with the facebook ones) i've decided to go on with the latest of the tests.
Before going on with the individual walls (which will compose a set of 3-6, still to see when i'll get bored) i wanted to have some stonework strips to use for the building basement. That's often the weakest spot of any scratchbuilt half-timbered house, so i made this jigsaw connected parts, that could fit well both in line and at a 90° angle.
Off to molding tonight, sharing for now the original master.
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/18053350_10212572896700012_1956877744_o.jpg)
C&C welcome!
Jack
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Wow, really nice stuff !!! :o
The pink fingers are out of scale though, way too large, a pity lol
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Again, great with the texture! :-* Is that the plaster version or polystyrene one?
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Thank you!!
Again, great with the texture! :-* Is that the plaster version or polystyrene one?
The latter. I liked the results and more importantly took me about one third of the time to sculpt. I did the whole set in the picture in less than 3 hours. :)
Thanks again, hopefully tonight i'll manage to do a few casts and try to structure the first building!
Also, another mold is being cured, and tonight i'll be able to show off the beaming as well!
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I finally managed to build the first complete building (although it's a 90% WIP for now) using my modular stone edges... seems to work pretty well!
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/P4237723.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/P4237722.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/P4237724.jpg)
I dare to say that the edges are rather invisible, are they?
C&C welcome, prettyplease? :)
Jack
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Excellent and I concur, the edges are invisible !
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That's excellent! :o I must admit....I don't see the joins! o_o
I managed to see your concrete bunkers first hand yesterday and must say I'm even more impressed than I was when I seen the pictures you posted!! I never realised how small they were!
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Yes, invisible edges! Great job on the stonework components, and also putting together such a cute little building.
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Yep, I'd say you've cracked it! I see no joins, and I think they way you have the odd protruding stone ties it all together once assembled.
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Thank you everyone! That's some great feedback, i think i might be ready to go for full stone floors after that! That would be something interesting to do! Maybe only for the ground floors, but might work well for multi storey buildings!
I managed to see your concrete bunkers first hand yesterday and must say I'm even more impressed than I was when I seen the pictures you posted!! I never realised how small they were!
Thank you Andy! :) They sure are some small fellas, yeah! :) Hopefully i'll manage to release the 28mm buildings with Spectre soon enough! :)
Meanwhile, that's the COMPLETED house, now awaiting a few coats of paint!
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/P4237727.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/P4237726.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/P4237725.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/P4237728.jpg)
Cheers
Jack
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And... painted! tried to do it as quickly as possible, but i reckon it could have been done better.
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/DSC6485.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/DSC6484.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/DSC6483.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/DSC6482.jpg)
Please, craving for suggestions! :(
Jack
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Hey Jack,
it looks wonderful!
The only thing I dont like is the gras ... to green for this old house :D
Greetings
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Lovely painting on the house. I agree with the previous comment though - the grass is a bit too green for it.
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That house is amazing. Fantastic detail and great paint job.
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Wow! :o I wouldn't worry too much about the grass! Once it's on a board it'll blend in! It's only a bit jarring because it's the only green seen in the photo!
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Looking so very nice. Excellent work Jack!
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I think that's amazing and the grass is fine!
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Thank you everyone!!!
The only thing I dont like is the gras ... to green for this old house :D
As for the grass, i think it might be a bit of the postproduction that kinda enhanced the green saturation too much. I like the grey-green contrast, but it's true in this pictures it is a bit extreme. In flesh it's much more evident though.
Wow! :o I wouldn't worry too much about the grass! Once it's on a board it'll blend in! It's only a bit jarring because it's the only green seen in the photo!
Hopefully i'll make enough of them to blend! :) Thank you andy!
I'll try to make a few more houses in the future, but first i've got a serious amount of commissions to complete... Keep an eye on this thread though, hopefully it will continue soon! :)
Cheers
Jack
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28mm commissions ?...... ;)
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28mm commissions ?...... ;)
well, both in 28mm modern and 15mm scifi, plus a few more experiments due for this 28mm medieval project. Lots to do. :P
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Cheers everyone!
A crappy picture from yesterday night, just showing that things are moving forward.
My intention is to have full two-sided modular parts to compose ruins, using the same modules that (when one sided) could work for larger buildings. Still have to engineer it through, but here's what it's done so far:
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/18280312_10212689432453333_705653059_n.jpg)
C&C welcome!
Jack
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Better pictures taken tonight:
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/P5027743.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/P5027745.jpg)
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Cheers everyone! I managed to make good use of the windows and edges above, creating the first modular tall walls. Those will be used for other buildings together with the previous ones, so soon i'm expecting to have a few more blocks to share with you!
For now, here's a sneak pic:
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/18491759_1335054886543429_7513480272913422150_o.jpg)
C&C welcome!
Cheers
Jack
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Some big update this time!
I started working on a new set of walls, this time a complete modular set of two-faced ruings, with larger jigsaws that allow THREE different angles for each couple.
So far i've done two short and two medium ruined sections. I should work on a third larger section couple, and a few "undamaged" walls as well.
Here's what I've so far, hopefully more to come.
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/P5287766.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/P5287771.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/P5287768.jpg)
Please share suggestions and critics, As i will have to do more in the next weeks, and i've better to know what i'm doing beforehand.
Thanks!
Jack
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Damn, but that's pretty work.
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Thanks Cubs! :) I'm going to use them with the figures you just sent me, they fit very well together!
And, as for now, there are 12 possible combinations. Every further piece will increase the number significantly.
Can't wait to have a few undamaged parts to build towers too!
Any other idea?
Thanks
Jack
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I have a thing about wells. I like wells.
I realise this is an issue and I am seeking help for it.
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Superb again! :o :o :-*
Any other idea?
Fireplaces?
I made these some years ago (various stages of construction, the left one is 18th C. the other two are c.1900).
(http://www.argad-bzh.fr/heb/tiez1.jpg)
(http://www.argad-bzh.fr/heb/tiez2.jpg)
It gives more personality to the interior of houses but also to destroyed houses. When you see pictures of a burned house in the newspaper after a fire the most impressive remaining feature between the broken walls is often the fireplace and chimney.
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I have a thing about wells. I like wells.
I realise this is an issue and I am seeking help for it.
It's important to care for your well being.
(good idea though!)
Superb again! :o :o :-*
Fireplaces?
That's something that would work VERY well with stonework, i just don't think it would be great for modularity: any upper level must have the fireplace socket too, but i might do it as a single-ruined piece not to be joined to anything else, i guess!
BTW, now working on some undamaged sections. Ruins coming soon!
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Door and solid undamaged section done!
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/P6027777.jpg)
Next ones in queue: 2 cm damaged wall sections, to be used on upper floors or as simple short walls.
C&C and more suggestions are always welcome!
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Thank you Elk!
I'll try to keep this thread up-to-date, despite the remarkable lack of replies compared to my other posts on the net. I wonder if it's because of the topic or simply the decreasing number of active users here.
Anyways. As soon as i'll get the new silicone i ordered i'll make molds for everything!
Cheers,
Jack
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the remarkable lack of replies compared to my other posts on the net.
Ah? Or the fact it's in the Fantasy section?
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That is a fantastic idea. I love the modular walls.
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those walls look fantastic, would be perfect for Mordhiem
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Your walls are so pretty! Love em.
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Looking great! If the price is right, I could see me investing in quite a bit of these. ;)
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Thank you everyone!
those walls look fantastic, would be perfect for Mordhiem
Probably a bit too old style for the reinaissance looking mordheim, although i rather prefere this style to that. Well, the small dents on the top of the ruins are meant for wooden sockets. maybe that will help!
Looking great! If the price is right, I could see me investing in quite a bit of these.
Thanks WK! That would not depend by me though! Ideally you could paint and assemble them at will every time, but i worry about the joints chipping the paint off. We'll see i think. :)
Ah? Or the fact it's in the Fantasy section?
That might be it, but TBH i wouldn't know where to post them instead, as the workbench section didn't give better results in the past. The whole LAF system has always been quite dispersive, but recently it seems to me that it kinda slowed down, and it's a real shame since i really love LAF.
BTW, if the admins feel that this thread should be moved, why not! ^^
Anyways, still awaiting for the silicon, once i've got a few copies of each piece i'll share my first builds! :)
What i gotta do now is a 2 cm tall set of ruined walls that should be used on top of the ones here. So much to do. :(
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I just love them walls but I'm a 15-18 mm guy so unfortunately they won't do it for me, they're way too big. But again I love them.
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I just love them walls but I'm a 15-18 mm guy so unfortunately they won't do it for me, they're way too big. But again I love them.
Oh, i really understand you. 15mm is my to-go for scifi, but for fantasy (where characterization of each model is important) i'd rather go for a larger scale.
I doubt that such a modular system for 15mm would be viable: far too many parts! Maybe larger pieces joined together might work though.
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Thanks WK! That would not depend by me though! Ideally you could paint and assemble them at will every time, but i worry about the joints chipping the paint off. We'll see i think. :)
Personally, I'd assemble and glue them together before painting to build various fixed pieces. You lose the modular nature, but I see them more as a great resource for building custom ruins than as a modular set anyway. :)
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Bugger Jack, I completely missed this topic on here as well. (to much time on facebook and not LAF? maybe...)
You already know I think these are brilliant, but I don't think I've seen the double height walls before, those, in particular, really look good to me. For some reason, many of the ruins I have visited in my life tend to go that route, a couple of tall walls which quickly drop of into nothing. This might be due to human intervention but it still looks "right"
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Personally, I'd assemble and glue them together before painting to build various fixed pieces. You lose the modular nature, but I see them more as a great resource for building custom ruins than as a modular set anyway. :)
I am planning to do the same, since i will have virtually an unlimited amount of those. However, considering that resin scenery are not that cheap, i imagine many would appreciate the idea of repositionable and easier to store parts. Again, i guess each one will be able to choose, in a way. :)
Bugger Jack, I completely missed this topic on here as well. (to much time on facebook and not LAF? maybe...)
You already know I think these are brilliant, but I don't think I've seen the double height walls before, those, in particular, really look good to me. For some reason, many of the ruins I have visited in my life tend to go that route, a couple of tall walls which quickly drop of into nothing. This might be due to human intervention but it still looks "right"
Thanks Tim! :)
Ideally, i'd love to be able to build towers (or half-destroyed ones) stacking multiple parts one on another. They have no socket, so i think i'll have to glue them in position, but you get the idea. :)
As for the human intervention, that's the main reason why there are no rubbles on the ground, so i guess it's ok! :)
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As for the human intervention, that's the main reason why there are no rubbles on the ground, so i guess it's ok! :)
Well, if there is a ruin nearby that is a perfect source for building stones, so removing them isn't necessarily a modern thing.
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Well, if there is a ruin nearby that is a perfect source for building stones, so removing them isn't necessarily a modern thing.
my point exactly! :) Unless of course there are goblins around. A common problem in the middle ages. lol
So: suggestions for the next pieces? The chimney is VERY tempting, and the well will be done FOR SURE, but not in the basic set i think.
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Nice work, Jack :)
Very well done
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What aboud a small stable with a shed roof?
Or some stairs?
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What aboud a small stable with a shed roof?
Or some stairs?
Stairs could be awesome.
About the stable.... i'm thinking on how to build it to make it work well with the modularity. I wouldn't build a full building, but maybe having it attached to the wall section, two lateral sections and a wooden roof... might work well! That's some good food for thoughts, thank you!
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A little more has been done, molding and casting mainly. The first few copies are joined together and now are waiting to be painted.
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/P7027782.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/P7027786.jpg)
Cheers
Jack
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A little more has been done, molding and casting mainly. The first few copies are joined together and now are waiting to be painted.
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/P7027782.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/P7027786.jpg)
Cheers
Jack
Lovely! Looks like they'd suit almost any tabletop :)
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As usual, I LOVE. The texture! :-*
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They look very good.
Tony
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Is this something you're planning to cast and make available for sale? I love these pieces and admire the clever way you've got them to link together at corners. Corners are something I often see neglected on commercially available ruins, but in real life they are sturdiest parts of a building and the last to fall or crumble down, as I've seen on many ruined houses and castles here in central France.
I've been following this thread for a while now and am keen to find out if this is a purely personal project, or a commercial venture?
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Thank you everyone! :)
Is this something you're planning to cast and make available for sale? I love these pieces and admire the clever way you've got them to link together at corners. Corners are something I often see neglected on commercially available ruins, but in real life they are sturdiest parts of a building and the last to fall or crumble down, as I've seen on many ruined houses and castles here in central France.
Glad you approve, and i do agree about the corners. Moreover, that's the only way to allow three joining directions per jigsaw joints, allowing more combinations! :)
I've been following this thread for a while now and am keen to find out if this is a purely personal project, or a commercial venture?
It's definitely not just a personal project, but as i generally do with my sculpts i think i'll rather sell them to a company, since the casting-shipping job does not fit in my free hobby time.
For this set in particular i had a few interested parties already, but i'm hoping once finished to find as a buyer one of the mainstream miniatures lines around: north star, warlord, gripping beast... Compared with my other works, this one reqwuires less efforts casting-wise and is easier to be used by less handy wargamers.
We'll see, i suppose. :)
Cheers
Jack
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Missed this before but there's some great work here Jack :)
cheers
James
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Really nice work as always. Hoping for a 28mm version eventually ;) :D
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Missed this before but there's some great work here Jack :)
Thanks Jim! :)
Really nice work as always. Hoping for a 28mm version eventually ;) :D
Hey! it IS 28mm! :D
I'm not strictly a 15mm guy y'know!
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Hey! it IS 28mm! :D
I'm not strictly a 15mm guy y'know!
Heresy!
I already said it, but bloody marvellous stuff, plenty of things that might be added for more variety, but nothing about these I would see changed!
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How did I miss this until now???
:o :o :o
Absolutely stunning work, Jack.
Seriously clever too.
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I already said it, but bloody marvellous stuff, plenty of things that might be added for more variety, but nothing about these I would see changed!
Absolutely stunning work, Jack.
Seriously clever too.
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Very nice words, thank you! :) That's what keeps me motivated, as soon as i complete a few other commissions in the line! :)
Do you have suggestions for the companies? I'll be likely selling the customization parts (such as the one-sided walls and beams) to Fenris; however, as said above the whole ruins probably would work better for some mainstream company. Do you think North Star would appreciate those? Maybe Gripping Beast with his more historical lines?
Considering the size of the casts, maybe someone to organize a small KS with, to serialize the production a bit.
Any hint is appreciated! :)
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This looks very good and usable for various game types.
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Very nice words, thank you! :) That's what keeps me motivated, as soon as i complete a few other commissions in the line! :)
Do you have suggestions for the companies? I'll be likely selling the customization parts (such as the one-sided walls and beams) to Fenris; however, as said above the whole ruins probably would work better for some mainstream company. Do you think North Star would appreciate those? Maybe Gripping Beast with his more historical lines?
Considering the size of the casts, maybe someone to organize a small KS with, to serialize the production a bit.
Any hint is appreciated! :)
To be honest I think it would be worth talking to the people that North Star and Gripping Beast use. Renedra seem to have stepped up the quality of their plastic models of late and if that's a medium you would like to work with; then it would most definitly be worth talking to them and doing your own kickstarter.
Your work is amazing and should be produced at the best quality possible. If you are unsure or don't want the hassle on top of your commission work then contact North Star, Gripping Beast, Warlord at a push, maybe even shield wolf since they have just produced some fantastic plastic miniatures.
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To be honest I think it would be worth talking to the people that North Star and Gripping Beast use. Renedra seem to have stepped up the quality of their plastic models of late and if that's a medium you would like to work with; then it would most definitly be worth talking to them and doing your own kickstarter.
Your work is amazing and should be produced at the best quality possible. If you are unsure or don't want the hassle on top of your commission work then contact North Star, Gripping Beast, Warlord at a push, maybe even shield wolf since they have just produced some fantastic plastic miniatures.
Thank you Angry!
Well, producing a plastic set is something VERY complicated, and not going under with the money is unlikely, unless you're an experienced businessman. I'm not, and not planning to be anytime soon.
I'd be more than happy with someone who is willing to take the chances with this though, of course as well as the majority of the profits. It's really not about the money here (although it's a good plus :) ), rather about seing my sculpts used and painted by people around!
I think i'll wait to have at least the full basic set done (including ladders, half-height walls and another 1-2 full sections, i think) before starting to contact people around... meanwhile, i'm gonna paint the first pieces i've done soon enough. :)
Cheers, and thanks again!
Jack
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While mumbling about what to do with the finished set, i've assembled a few more parts of the ones i've done already.
Here the holes for the wooden crosbars are being used, although only partially.
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/P8237792.jpg)
Now the half-heigth ruined walls MUST BE DONE, otherwise the ruin will have a flat top! :S
Cheers
Jack
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This half-ruined tower is fascinating! :o
And it could happen. In his memoirs about the French Wars of Religion (late 16th C.) Sully mentions that, besieging the town of Dreux, his men made a mine (they dig a hole and put black powder in it) under the wall of a large tower, and put fire to it. The mine exploded; for a moment nothing happened... then a whole part of the wall fell down, with parts of the floors and some people inside; many people stayed crowded on the remaining parts of the floors. The soldiers began to shoot at them; then seing that they were civilians Sully told his men to stop firing (at least that's what he wrote afterwards).
(yes that's history, but in other universes it could happen by magic or whatever...)
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This half-ruined tower is fascinating! :o
And it could happen. In his memoirs about the French Wars of Religion (late 16th C.) Sully mentions that, besieging the town of Dreux, his men made a mine (they dig a hole and put black powder in it) under the wall of a large tower, and put fire to it. The mine exploded; for a moment nothing happened... then a whole part of the wall fell down, with parts of the floors and some people inside; many people stayed crowded on the remaining parts of the floors. The soldiers began to shoot at them; then seing that they were civilians Sully told his men to stop firing (at least that's what he wrote afterwards).
(yes that's history, but in other universes it could happen by magic or whatever...)
Thank you! Yeah, i think there are several events that could cause a partial collapse of a tower: i've been in Georgia this month, and in the Svaneti region there's plenty of towers (i mean, even too many), a good number of them collapsed! ^_^
The idea behind this modular set is to allow several setups with a relatively realistic look. there's already plenty of high-fantasy ruins on the market, but some thicker and solid pieces should be of some uses both for gritty fantasy gamers and for historical ones!
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I missed this thread completely... You made a great effort and I wish it gets the attention it is really worth!
May I express my great admiration, you are really very talented! Hats off!
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I missed this thread completely... You made a great effort and I wish it gets the attention it is really worth!
May I express my great admiration, you are really very talented! Hats off!
Thank you Din! :)
Some major updates here: the "upper parts" are done, they are tall enough to provide cover and to be used as standalone walls, while some smaller elements give additional roughness to the top edges of the ruins!
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9107832.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9107833.jpg)
Here some test pics taken with my smartphone. Apologies for the crappy resolution, but i hope it gives an idea.
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/DSC_0285-e1505053705510.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/DSC_0284-e1505053679323.jpg)
Updates as soon as i put the first casts in position! :) And finally i'll be able to paint the pieces!
Cheers
Jack
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Somebody is going to say it so might as well be me, are you taking orders yet? :P
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Great work Jack! :o More brilliance! :-*
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I'm watching with great interest, this very instructive thread is getting better and better!
Your updates rock! :-* ;)
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Thank you all! :) The molds are curing, tonight the first casts!
Somebody is going to say it so might as well be me, are you taking orders yet? :P
Thanks Tim! :D I'm still waiting to have some completed and painted pieces before looking for a buyer company. And i'm VERY close, now :D
More will come within the next few days, stay tuned!
Cheers
Jack
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What a great thread... :-* :o
Thanx for sharing....
DV
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Looking good.
Tony
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A quick shot before filling the gaps! Proper pics will follow soon, possibly in a day or two! I've got some 3D commissions to finish first!
(https://i.imgur.com/hlmpMk0.jpg)
Cheers,
Jack
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very impressive
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Wow!
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Thanks for the encouragement!
The build of the tower is now complete, the painting must now begin! It actually DID begin already, since i couldn't wait to put some paint on it, ruining the photos of the sculped piece. Oh, well.
Here's the pics!
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9127837.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9127838.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9127841.jpg)
Again, here some unnecessary paint, damned be my impatience.
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9127844.jpg)
That's all for tonight, more will follow tomorrow, when i'll start to detail the other four pieces for my table!
Cheers
Jack
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Outstanding!!!! 8) :-* :-*
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Very nice work :)
It would quite nice project to make a tower in progress piece from this as well :)
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Outstanding!!!! 8) :-* :-*
Thanks marco!
Very nice work :)
It would quite nice project to make a tower in progress piece from this as well :)
I've been discussing this with some users on facebook too, it would be cool indeed!
Cheers,
Jack
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Finished the detailing of a few more pieces, Now off to painting!!!
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9167845.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9167846.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9167847.jpg)
Updates soon!
Cheers,
Jack
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One better than the other! Myriad possible combinations! You are doing a great job :-*
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The updates continue... STILL WIP, but almost there. most of the vegetation still have to be added (i placed the trees only, turfs and bushes still to go!), plus pigment weathering!
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9177852.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9177850.jpg)
Cheers,
Jack
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Unfair advertisement here. I could never paint it so nicely. ;D
The pieces of greenery growing here and there help sell it.
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The pieces of greenery growing here and there help sell it.
Thanks!
The set is meant to work together with My other parallel project (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=103573), so a lot of added vegetation is going to be on the table!
Tomorrow - hopefully - i'll post a complete photoshoot of each piece and some group pictures. Unfortunately i don't have a mud-grassland table, so it will be on a snowy mat.
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I can't wait to see both projects combined! It will be fantastic! :o
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FINALLY, the first piece has been flocked and pigmented! it isn't a quick thing to do, so the following ones will be posted one after another, hoping this won't be a bother for y'all.
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9187854.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9187856.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9187857.jpg)
Here's with some Red Box and some Alkemy figures, the final vegetation blends all nicely together.
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9187859.jpg)
I can't wait to see both projects combined! It will be fantastic! :o
I'll definitely take some pics when i'll have all the pieces done. For now, it's flocking time. :S
Cheers
Jack
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FINALLY, the first piece has been flocked and pigmented! it isn't a quick thing to do, so the following ones will be posted one after another, hoping this won't be a bother for y'all.
No, you are right. You taint us with your work far too much, its a terrible bother.
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And, as threatened above, here's the second batch of pieces. Before venturing into the longer work of the huge tower, i thought i had to practice more with the smaller pieces.
First, a corner piece. I filled it with vegetation to offer a link between the trees and the ruins. Besides, the fragile branches are protected this way.
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9187861.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9187862.jpg)
Then, a few simple low walls. Note that those are the very same sculpts that were used to top the flat wall sections, this time used as standalone scenery pieces.
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9187864.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9187865.jpg)
Last but not least, a low corner wall with a tree attached. Note the small hungman knot on the branch. In such a generic set of scenery, something with a specific gauge does the hard job to bring back the viewers to a specific scale, reminding them that humans are 28mm tall. More or less.
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9187866.jpg)
That would be all for today, tomorrow i'm hoping to complete the rest of the set!
Cheers,
Jack
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Very effective! They look incredibly natural.
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Excellent! :-* what's the noose made out of?
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As I said in previous post, myriads of combinations! :-*
Adding flocking/pieces of vegetation to the ruins gives a so realistic effect, you can't stop looking again and again! :o
A table top full with such terrain pieces will be an eye candy!
I follow this link (and the other) with amazement!
Keep'em coming!
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Very effective! They look incredibly natural.
Thank you! Maybe a bit cartoonish, but i feel that having no bases somehow makes it more believable. :)
Excellent! :-* what's the noose made out of?
Thanks! It's actual rope. I bought it on ebay, as naval rope, they sell it in several sizes, they all have their purpose. To make it "usable" i simply drench it with cyanacrilic glue: it reacts immediately solidifying it in position!
As I said in previous post, myriads of combinations! :-*
Adding flocking/pieces of vegetation to the ruins gives a so realistic effect, you can't stop looking again and again! :o
A table top full with such terrain pieces will be an eye candy!
I follow this link (and the other) with amazement!
Keep'em coming!
Thanks again Din! :) :) Hopefully this last batch won't disappoint you!
Here is the last part of the set i've done so far! i won't do more for the time being, i'll likely add more parts when i'll sculpt more modular pieces in the future, i guess. :)
Those last pieces are the largest ones, so they deserve some more pics for each!
First, the last smaller piece, i added a large dead tree on a side, but it will act as a simple LoS-blocker wall for any gaming purposes.
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9207867.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9207868.jpg)
This one is a bit larger, half destroyed on a side and allowing several shooters on the top. Of course, it will need a ladder too.
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9207869.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9207870.jpg)
Lastly, the big tower. It did deserve more than two pictures, of course.
Looking at this pics, some of the wall sections might have benefitted from a wash more, mostly because i used filler to close the small gaps between the modular parts, and that filler reduced the sharpness of the stonework on some areas. Quite a pity, but i can live with that. :)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9207871.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9207873.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9207874.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9207875.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/P9207876.jpg)
Please, any C&C for the future sculpts is greatly appreciated!
For now, that's all! Group pics with figures in action will follow shortly, hopefully! :)
Cheers
Jack
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Hurray! The project has been taken by Fenris Games and is now live on Kickstarter!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/141301719/fenris-games-rubble-city
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/af24d8d794e2de2c80548de271b9ad81_original.jpg)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/97a6d376a3343204c050e16378972b98_original.jpg)
This will finally give me the chance to complete the project with a new load of additional parts, which i'm sketching now for the KS.
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/shortWall.png)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/RuinedDecks.png)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/stubWalls.png)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Columns.png)
(http://thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/ladders.png)
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It's a lovely project, hope it does well!
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Having seen the first casts at salute, I can confirm that having these out there should improve the look of the average frostgrave table by at least 27.4% ;D
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Super good quality ruins/walls. Hope the KS does very well!