Grenzers - how did they fight?

[vtsaogames]

I know they specialized in rough terrain during big battles. The rest of the time they engaged in Kleine Krieg, raids and such.
I'm resuscitating an old set of home-brew rules for SYW and action in the New World. I hope to get the Grenzers right.
 
Talking about how they performed on the battlefield rather than raids and such, did they evade from bayonet attacks by formed troops?

As for the old rules, the basic combat functioned well. There was a order system that was more complex than some of the Fencibles preferred. At this point, too complex for me. There was perhaps more chrome than necessary. I am wading through the rules with a scythe and hope to have a leaner, meaner set of rules that give a good game within 2 or 3 hours, my holy grail. Now where did I put the markers for that game?

Edit: found the markers, hiding behind the unpainted WWII Eastern Front stuff! The Age of Miracles hasn't passed.

[frank xerox]

Near total ignorance here but that never stops me.
At Lobositz (?) they were chased up the hill at bayonet point from one obstacle to the next, resisting at each one. So evasion yes.
Seeded in bits of rough terrain & tending to stay there through the battle.
In one instance (I forget where) supposedly ran at shaky infantry with their sabres & routed them, highland style.
And thats the sum of my knowledge - use it wisely😀

[Jemima Fawr]

I know they specialized in rough terrain during big battles. The rest of the time they engaged in Kleine Krieg, raids and such.
I'm resuscitating an old set of home-brew rules for SYW and action in the New World. I hope to get the Grenzers right.
 
Talking about how they performed on the battlefield rather than raids and such, did they evade from bayonet attacks by formed troops?

As for the old rules, the basic combat functioned well. There was a order system that was more complex than some of the Fencibles preferred. At this point, too complex for me. There was perhaps more chrome than necessary. I am wading through the rules with a scythe and hope to have a leaner, meaner set of rules that give a good game within 2 or 3 hours, my holy grail. Now where did I put the markers for that game?

Edit: found the markers, hiding behind the unpainted WWII Eastern Front stuff! The Age of Miracles hasn't passed.

Yeah, wot Frank said.  Also at Moys in 1757, Draskowitz's Grenzer were ordered to assault the fortified village of Ober-Moys and were even ordered storm the hilltop Jaeckelsberg Redoubt from the flank, while seven grenadier battalions went at it from the front.  At Kolin in the same year, the Grenzer were used extensively in skirmish order to harass the Prussian line from the cover of crops and were also used to hold village strongpoints forward of the main Austrian line, as well as the oakwood on the flank.

[Baron von Wreckedoften]

As an adjunct to the previous posts, my knowledge of Grenzer is from the Napoleonic period (genuine Imperial - one might even say "mint" - rather than the faux-Napoleonic Revolutionary era).  By this time, eejits who should have known better - ie staff officers - had tried to "double them up" as "line" infantry, as well as the irregular light infantry they already were, and it really, really wasn't working.

[vtsaogames]

Near total ignorance here but that never stops me.

Likewise! Preach it!

[frank xerox]

Amen Brother Vtsaogames! Testify!

[Pattus Magnus]

My understanding is that Grenzers fought, tentatively. Basically shoot and scoot whenever practical. You might get them to assault something, but it would involve throwing their wine ration over the wall into wherever you wanted them to attack, and then tell them to go get it back…

[Zopenco]

Curiously, in the battle of Madonna dell'Olmo in 1744 the Waradisner Grenzer lead the assault of a fortified city.

[jon_1066]

I understood them to be genuinely light infantry and usually pretty good ones.  So good for broken ground, villages, built up areas and the like but no good as part of the line

[vtsaogames]

I've opted to keep them in light infantry role they assumed in the first iteration of my rules. Got over that moment of weakness where I wondered if I somehow had it wrong. Duffy's Instrument of War bucked up my nerve, as did the input from you gents.