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Offline vcina

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Painting with oils
« on: January 29, 2015, 04:41:04 AM »
Hi,

Do any of you paint your figures with oil based paints?  If so, how do you like the results?

Also, once upon a time, I had stumbled across a gentleman's blog who was painting renaissance figures with oil paints and his results were fantastic.  He also wrote a nice tutorial on it.  I've lost the url for the blog.  Any idea on who that might be or if someone else has a blog with that type of info?

Thanks

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Re: Painting with oils
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2015, 07:18:37 AM »
Outside of modelling (i.e. rather than wargaming) I've mainly heard the use of oils being associated with horses because of the lovely shading and blending you can get over this larger area. Oils do dry slowly - perhaps too slowly for the impatient warmer, but you can buy a fast dry agent that will have oils touch dry within two or three days - though fast dry mediums can leave a shiny sheen that then needs to be dealt with.

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Re: Painting with oils
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2015, 07:35:55 AM »
I've used oils with acrylics, but never just oils on their own...

Lots of oil work on this rat ogre.





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Re: Painting with oils
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2015, 09:31:05 AM »
Except for undercoating (priming) I've never used anything but oils for 40+ years.
Tried acrylics a few times over the years but always came back to my 'trusty' oil paint.

Obviously there are little or no pre- mixed colours in the oil paint ranges. It is all up to you to mix the required colours, but then again this gives you a 'freedom' no other paint can match.

Another advantage is that you don't need many paints.
A good starter palette would comprise:

Titanium White
Ivory Black
Phtalo Blue
Chrome Oxide Green
Burnt Umber
Burnt Sienna
Yellow Ochre
Cadmium yellow
Indian Red
Cadmium Red or Scarlet
Naples Red (reddish)

Later on you can still add what I call 'lazy colours' to avoid  having to mix too often. For example Warm Grey and a Dark blueish Crimson are very useful.
Some of the paints are very opaque others are not. However when mixing them their covering strength changes, mostly becoming at least as good as the best of heavily pigmented acrylics. For example white is always a very difficult colour but when Titanium White is mixed with Burnt Umber and Chrome Oxide green (to give an unbleached wool tint) it covers black in one go. You can keep on adding white until it becomes nearly- atl least visibly- white again and it will still cover anything.
Some of the colours dry slowly ( mostly Reds and Yellows- but not Yellow Ochre that dries really fast) As such the paint remains 'workable for hours if not days. A godsend if you ever forget to clean your brushes. :)
As a medium for painting I use refined Turpentine, White Spirit for a fast first cleaning and purified linseed oil for the definitive cleaning. This will even get dried paint out of ferrules. Every two or three painting sessions I also clean my brushes with Brushcleaner soap and warm water.

Technique for painting is somewhat different. In fact there are several. Mine is - generally- to mix the base colour and liberally apply the paint then to remove most of it with a soft brush. After that it is detail work like shading and highlighting with the 'normal' smaller brushes
Almost exclusively use Winsor & Newton 7s with a few Rosemary ones for special jobs.
Of course the main advantage of oil paint is the wet- in wet blending of colours. Basecoat then when still wet apply the darker shadows and immediately highlight with the appropriate colour.
Normally 'warm' colours are shaded with brown and highlighted with white, and 'cold' colours with black and white respectively. Green can be used both cold and warm.
For special effects you can easily experiment with this. The darkest visible colour to the eye is  very dark Purple, not black.

One last thing about that vaunted drying time. If at one point you need to speed up the drying process.... simply put the figures in a oven. After about a hour or two at 75° C even the most stubborn Cadmium Red will have -surface- dried enough to over-paint. It may take- depending on which paint brand you use for some colours to take up to 14 days to dry out completely. But by that time they will already have been long varnished and on the playing table. lol





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Re: Painting with oils
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2015, 10:21:32 AM »
Also, once upon a time, I had stumbled across a gentleman's blog who was painting renaissance figures with oil paints and his results were fantastic.  He also wrote a nice tutorial on it.  I've lost the url for the blog.  Any idea on who that might be or if someone else has a blog with that type of info?

Olicanalad's Games by any chance? Its owner is on LAF, too (olicana).
2D figures have – or had? – a strong following in these parts, and I've seen those models painted almost exclusively with oil colours. There are a number of video tutorials on Youtube if you're interested.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2015, 10:24:38 AM by Mad Doc Morris »

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Re: Painting with oils
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2015, 02:57:26 PM »
Mr. Peabody- That Rat looks amazing.

WillieB- Thank you for the detailed "how to".  I have used oils in the past to paint some horses and liked the effect. Next on my painting table are some 10mm Italian Wars figures and I thought I would go back to trying oils again.  At least to my eye, the colors "pop" more and for this time period the uniforms are so colorful it seems worth it to try.

Mad Doc Morris- I've been internet friends with Oilcanalad for a long time, since Piquet got started by Bob Jones.  He uses enamels I believe on his wonderful figures.

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Re: Painting with oils
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2015, 02:49:19 AM »
Can just ask why does everyone keep saying oil's blend easier.Is it just about the speed of drying times? because I use both and have touble remembering which figure I used what on once they've sat in a box for a while.I'll admit, I don't use oil paints on commission's.I'm not one of those people who have a display stand full of paints larger than the store they bought them from.I work from a limited pallet and use colour map's for repeating work.I've just never found it difficult to blend acrylic's.I like them because there simple ,no thinner's just water or ink.I really would like to know.Its it horse's for course's?or is it one of those can of worms topic's such as what scale is 28mm?
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Re: Painting with oils
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2015, 10:59:22 AM »
Can just ask why does everyone keep saying oil's blend easier.Is it just about the speed of drying times? because I use both and have touble remembering which figure I used what on once they've sat in a box for a while.I'll admit, I don't use oil paints on commission's.I'm not one of those people who have a display stand full of paints larger than the store they bought them from.I work from a limited pallet and use colour map's for repeating work.I've just never found it difficult to blend acrylic's.I like them because there simple ,no thinner's just water or ink.I really would like to know.Its it horse's for course's?or is it one of those can of worms topic's such as what scale is 28mm?
Mark.

Mark,

With blending ( at least I do) we mean blending ON the figure whilst painting. Instead of panting a basecoat wait for it to dry, then wash for shade and then after some more drying, paint or drybrush on the highlights everything is done in one go.
An additional advantage is that you're not so dependent on the quality of the engraving to accurately 'catch' a wash. With a bit of practice you can easily paint in folds that just aren't there on the figure.

When using oils you paint on the desired colour and immediately work in a darker colour for the shadows. This is then 'blended' with the base-colour until you can hardly still see the 'transition' between the two colours. Same for the highlights but with a lighter colour of course.

I tried this with acrylics and it's nearly impossible because of the rapid drying time. Tube acrylics are somewhat slower drying than the Vallejo or Game Colour pots so perhaps this technique IS possible if you add a slow drying medium.

Another factor is costs. Buy 12-14 tubes of oil paint and you're set for years. Some of the oil paint colours are so intense ( especially those Cadmium- based) that they will last you a decade. I've still got a Winsor & Newton Cadmum Scarlet that is probably 25 years old and still going strong.
In the meanwhile W&S has changed its packaging format 2 times. I can tell from more recent tubes. :D

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Re: Painting with oils
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2015, 02:58:21 PM »
 These are all blended acrylic's

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Re: Painting with oils
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2015, 03:16:38 PM »
 Sorry had to double post as the file was too big to work,from my phone.Do you work straight from the pot? I personally thin the base coat and work straight onto it before it drie's and as the highlight area will still be wet with every highlight I rarely get out paced by drying.(unless its Summer and heat cause's problem's)
I'm still a little unsure of why people find acrylic hard to blend.I know most painters use a tri colour highlighting system.The late Jim Bowen was a big fan of the method for bulk painting.Relying on his great eye for emotive colour's.I prefer to apply both blending and tri colouring on larger work.
Mark.

 

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