Scots regulars

[voltan]

well for my alternate time line anyway,
figs are the eureka foreign legion

[commissarmoody]

Like the Belgien cammo covers, If you dont mind me asking what is the alternative time line split?
Were the two crowns never combined? Or did Charlie do a little better in the 1745?

[Viper]

Or perhaps the not too distant future?

*must keep to no politics rule*
 

[voltan]

If you dont mind me asking what is the alternative time line split?
Were the two crowns never combined? Or did Charlie do a little better in the 1745?

Well I've not actually decided on that yet, I'm thinking the act of union is the most sensible point for it, but I've just not got round to looking into it properly.

[commissarmoody]

Oh so like maybe the Darien scheme wasn't an epic fail and the Scots were able to set up there own independent trade empire?
Oh that's cool because then you could rewrite hist a little more to have scotland controlling bits and peaces of different colonies for VSF and other 18th century imagination stuff

[voltan]

Been thinking some about this and thought that when williamIII is offered the english crown the scots parliment could back James and then break from the union. William wouldn't be able to do anything straight away as he's busy with Ireland. The battle of the Boyne could go the historical way but James could then go to Scotland rather than France, following border war ends in a score draw and you ensd up with the seperate countries. The following treaty gives Berwick it's usual status of neither being of England or Scotland which it uses as an excuse to become an indipendant city state.

Haden't thought much about the colonies other than Canada's most likely to end up under scottish Dominance.

[commissarmoody]

And those leaves the land open for border raids and other craziness. How are you going to Us to represent the forces from Berwick?

[Calimero]

Haden't thought much about the colonies other than Canada's most likely to end up under scottish Dominance.

  What? and end up wearing "skirts" in this temperature? You're crazy!

Nice paintjob on those Eureka figures though

[Viper]

Well the act of union was pretty much just down to rich land lords selling out the country, and James did his fair bit too, the French agreeing to withdraw support from Scotland was a main factor too.

So there are lots of ways you can go. The rich landlords put asside their greed and didn't accept the English bribes, the common people became aware of the bribes at an early stage and threw the rich land owners out, France didn't agree to let things slide, James declined to take the English throne.

You could have Cromwell's attack on Scotland in the 1650s fail to halt the supporters of Charles II, and have Charles decide to just consolidate his support in Scotland.

Those in charge of the Jacobite Rising of 1745 just be content to make Scotland free, and fortified against England, as opposed to pressing on into England in an atempt to take all of Britain.

There are a rediculous number of possible branching points.

[commissarmoody]

Also if Scot-land controls Canada, will that mean that the 13 colonels never broke away from England, do to the kilted menace to there north?  
I am just trolling right now, pay me no mind.

Best to keep it simple or you will never get to painting becase of all the ideas flooting in your head.

[Brummie]

Hehe, I think to look at the act of Union from such a viewpoint would fit modern 21st century Scottish Nationalist thinking for a what if scenario not previous centuries worth of thinking because nationalism and the 'people power' thinking did not exist during that era so it would be difficult to write up a background on a sort of people orientated uprising!
Plus you'd also have to remember that Scotland was fairly bankrupt and internally divided, thus allowing the Act of Union to come about. However, what if it wasn't and the Scottish Government had crushed the sometimes hectic Clans, and had become a very potent military force?
If you want a sort of modern scenario look for the book called 'New Model Army' a sci fi/modernish book, about a What if scenario pitting a Pro-Scottish Independence Mercenary force against the British army, very unrealistic I might add as a War studies and Politics student but still very nice read and a good gaming influence.

It could be very likely that instead of England becoming the dominant power out of it all following a pretty divided and bankrupt Scotland, Scotland could have become the dominant power and formed a new Union. After all there were a lot of English soldiers who fought for the Jacobites for various reasons and Vice versa it was more a British civil war over whether a British state would be created or not. However if neither side won it could have led to the 'balkanisation' of the Isles for decades! Probably France would have come to invade Britain in a weakened state!