Bavarian cuirassiers -- WSS question

[Khurasan Miniatures]

Did the Bavarian cuirassiers from the War of the Spanish Succession have armoured musicians, or unarmoured?  If they were armoured did they wear the zischagge helmet and breast-and-backplates, or something else?  Thanks.

[Phil Robinson]

In Charles Grant' s book on the armies of the WSS the only difference he mentions is that they wore coats of the regimental colour and had false sleeves and white lace chevrons up each arm.

[Khurasan Miniatures]

Think that suggests they were not in a cuirass, doesn't it?

[Phil Robinson]

I would read it like that, trumpeters in the earlier Imperial army didn't so I would assume the same convention.

[ts]

Bavarian cuirassiers wore Zischägge (Lobsterhelmets), cuirasses (sometmes only the front plate) over leather collets (long jackets with or without sleeves.) After 1710 the leather collets were,became scarce. They looked like the Austrian cuirrassiers.
Look after the work "Das Heer des blauen Königs" by A. Hoffman on the net. The work includes about 50 very beautiful plates and they are to see on several sites. Among those is a cuirassier. The text, in German, describes the uniforms of the Bavarian Army in your wanted period.

[joroas]

I just emailed an article to you

[Khurasan Miniatures]

Bavarian cuirassiers wore Zischägge (Lobsterhelmets), cuirasses (sometmes only the front plate) over leather collets (long jackets with or without sleeves.) After 1710 the leather collets were,became scarce. They looked like the Austrian cuirrassiers.
Look after the work "Das Heer des blauen Königs" by A. Hoffman on the net. The work includes about 50 very beautiful plates and they are to see on several sites. Among those is a cuirassier. The text, in German, describes the uniforms of the Bavarian Army in your wanted period.

Thanks but the question was fairly specific, not about what Bavarian cuirassiers looked like.

[Khurasan Miniatures]

I just emailed an article to you

Thanks, a big help!

[ts]

"Thanks but the question was fairly specific, not about what Bavarian cuirassiers looked like."

Sorry my fault.

An easy way to solve this and like questions, is to look at German 30 mm flat figures, many of the producers have made illustrated catalogues with drawings of their series.
I think to remember, the company Neckel had a series of Bavarian cuirrassiers, most possibly with a trumpeter.
The German flat figures are mostly very historical correct.
I am sure some on this forum has the old catalogue, at the moment, I can not find mine.

[Khurasan Miniatures]

Thanks -- several people emailed me the article so I'm having the trumpeter made. The existing Austrian officer and standard bearers in helmet and hat should be fine for the Bavarians as well.

Ok let's get even more obscure -- how common was the Bavarian-style trumpeter in the German states? Tricorne, unarmoured, basket on left shoulder, false sleeves.