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Author Topic: Charlie's 15th century - Some long-overdue Burgundians! (Feb 28)  (Read 155054 times)

Offline Atheling

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - Some more skirmishers (Feb 12th)
« Reply #630 on: February 12, 2023, 06:09:08 PM »
I think that they have more animation in the "dollies" than do the Perry sculpts- which, let's face it, is really saying something!  :o

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - Some more skirmishers (Feb 12th)
« Reply #631 on: February 12, 2023, 06:30:25 PM »
Ah, very nice! Indeed, the heads add a lot of variety, and make a lot of difference.

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - Some more skirmishers (Feb 12th)
« Reply #632 on: February 12, 2023, 08:02:31 PM »
Excellent work! The extra pose variety from the Warsteel bodies definitely goes a long way!

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - Some more skirmishers (Feb 12th)
« Reply #633 on: February 13, 2023, 02:07:38 PM »
Fantastic work, creat composition with the crossbowmen! I really like the way you do your bases! Which brand is the short static grass and the tufts you use ? Do you use a static grass applicator?

Thanks!
« Last Edit: February 13, 2023, 02:12:34 PM by .:Gunslinger:. »

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - Some more skirmishers (Feb 12th)
« Reply #634 on: February 13, 2023, 06:33:03 PM »
Fantastic work, creat composition with the crossbowmen! I really like the way you do your bases! Which brand is the short static grass and the tufts you use ? Do you use a static grass applicator?

Thanks!

The static grass is from Army Painter, 'Steppe Grass', and no special gadget was used to apply it - just mashed into patches of PVA glue.
The tufts are Gamers Grass, I use a mix of three types - Dry, Dry Green and Autumn. I was a late convert to tufts, but I now believe they are the best thing ever!

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - Some more skirmishers (Feb 12th)
« Reply #635 on: February 13, 2023, 09:17:01 PM »
Very cool and inspirational!

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - A humble wagon (Feb 18th)
« Reply #636 on: February 18, 2023, 10:53:34 AM »
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A humble wagon

A change of pace now - here's a wagon.





I really enjoyed painting this. I've painted several of the Perry wagons in the past to make some 'wagon fort' bases, and found it a real hassle to be handling them as I paint them before they're glued down to the base. This is the first time I've done one complete with horse and handler, and decided I would just glue it all together on the base first and paint it as one piece. Definitely the way to go - any awkward-to-reach areas like the underside of the wagon aren't going to be seen anyway! Only the baggage I did separately and then glued on afterwards.

I've put off painting wagons for years, as it seems time spent on them is time that could be spent building up new units, which are of course always a priority. But now I've got enough completed units under my belt I'm going to spend some time on wagons of various sorts, which I see as terrain pieces for specific scenarios. Though this one is just more more or less put together straight from the box, I've got some plans for others to include limbered artillery, enough to form a whole baggage and artillery train, for various ambush and 'capture the guns' type scenarios. More on that in future posts!

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - A humble wagon (Feb 18th)
« Reply #637 on: February 18, 2023, 11:11:26 AM »
A brilliant thread, so much to love! Excellent work. 👍
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Re: Charlie's 15th century - A humble wagon (Feb 18th)
« Reply #638 on: February 18, 2023, 11:20:38 AM »
That works well  :)
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Re: Charlie's 15th century - A humble wagon (Feb 18th)
« Reply #639 on: February 18, 2023, 06:26:11 PM »
Looks Great Charlie looking forward to seeing more wagons and more of the new 3d printed figures!. What manufacturer are your sacks?


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Re: Charlie's 15th century - A humble wagon (Feb 18th)
« Reply #640 on: February 18, 2023, 06:31:21 PM »
Looks Great Charlie looking forward to seeing more wagons and more of the new 3d printed figures!. What manufacturer are your sacks?

Just a guess, but they look like the Front Rank bags of arrows.

Available from GB here:
https://www.grippingbeast.co.uk/EQ78_Sacks_Of_Arrows_4_Per_Pack--product--10002.html

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - A humble wagon (Feb 18th)
« Reply #641 on: February 20, 2023, 06:13:26 AM »
Beautiful! :-*

Offline SirGromit1879

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - A humble wagon (Feb 18th)
« Reply #642 on: February 20, 2023, 06:28:10 AM »
Brilliant thank you Athelling

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - Assembling the baggage train (Feb 25th)
« Reply #643 on: February 25, 2023, 10:59:02 AM »
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Assembling the baggage train

Work has commenced on putting together a full baggage train of carts, wagons and limbered artillery!

Something I've been considering whilst planning this is what 'story' do I want these figures to tell? Of course you can't go wrong with scattering some carts on the battlefield just for fun, but rather than having them being calmly unloaded, the wagoneers having a chat together.... I want them to appear as they would if they were actually on the battlefield, close to the action. The most obvious reason for them being there is if a marching column is being attacked, in some sort of ambush. So I want to try and model them as if they are under attack, with the wagoneers perhaps looking a bit panicky, some soldiers rushing about on the same bases maybe...

With that in mind I would probably prefer the horses in stationary poses rather than walking, but as there is a limited number of suitable draft horses in the Perry range, it's going to be a mix of both.

Here's three I've got assembled and in the painting queue. Two are from the Perry Wars of the Roses range of course, but the third is actually from their American War of Independence range (link). As far as I can make out  cart and draft horse harness design didn't change much over the centuries, which means various 17th and 18th century carts, horses and wagons can be used for earlier periods. If anyone can point out any anachronisms here, I'd be interested to learn about it, but I won't be changing anything - I definitely think it's a case of 'close enough'! I swapped the WOTR and AWI horses around, just to blend things in better.



I'm going to need to convert multiple extra wagoneers. I glue them to the base in advance where they won't get in the way of painting, but some I'm keeping separate for now. I'm thinking I might use more than one per base.



I've also wanted some limbered artillery - the guns had to be transported somehow! This will also make the scenarios more interesting, the attackers trying to capture the artillery for their own use, or prevent it reaching a nearby siege. Simon Chick put together a great limbered gun which can be seen on his blog (link). I'm daunted by the idea of modelling traces and such (the ropes that connect the horses to the limber or wagon), but equally wouldn't want to leave them out, so was curious if there was any evidence of simpler one-horse arrangements for transporting artillery.

I then found that the wonderful artist Graham Turner had depicted just such a thing in one of his more recent Wars of the Roses paintings. I don't know what his source for this is, but he clearly puts a lot of research behind his paintings, so if it's good enough for him it's certainly good enough for me!



Simon has since pointed out to me that there are also similar one-horse arrangements depicted in the Swiss chronicles.



To model this proved ever so simple - turning to the Perry AWI range again, it seems they have a limbered 'butterfly' gun that has a more or less identical arrangement (link). It was just a case of replacing the gun with a suitable 15th century one - the one I chose comes from Old Glory. Handily this can be put together in the 'folded up' transport position, and also has a iron hoop which I was able to put a bit of plastic offcut through to represent a wooden pin. Clearly there would have to be some other form of attachment underneath though, as this pin alone wouldn't work by itself! Looks good though.





I'm planning to do probably two more limbered guns and a big wagon, and will return to the AWI range for more parts. I'm still going to avoid the full four-horse setup to preserve my sanity, but the AWI range has some two-horse arrangements that I could make use of, and I'll try my hand at making some traces out of twisted wire. The reason the four-horse setup scares me is I'd want to glue it all together before painting, to avoid getting superglue all over the painted components when it comes to putting it together - I'd rather get the glue everywhere first, and then paint over it! With four horses that would be too tricky, but a two-horse limber or wagon could be done this way.

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - Assembling the baggage train (Feb 25th)
« Reply #644 on: February 25, 2023, 07:13:29 PM »
Wow Charlie these look Great. This aspect of medeival miniatures interests me the most and i love that you will be telling a story with how you create your wagons.

There is an interesting picture from a re-enactment group which i will try and find and post, they are using a small wagon as the limber, i do not know if its accuarate but would be a cool and quick conversion. The Perry tilt wagon would be perfect for that! just needs a little hook and chain and then fill it with all the artillery equiptment.

Would you be able to use some thin wire for the ropes?

 

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