NEW SAGA EDITION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nicknorthstar]

Whether you like the new edition or not, can we remain civil with each other?

Cheers
Nick

[Derek H]

Is there anything on this thread that you consider to be uncivil?    On a scale of 1-10 I can find nothing I'd rate above a 3. 

[Silent Invader]

Is there anything on this thread that you consider to be uncivil?    On a scale of 1-10 I can find nothing I'd rate above a 3.

I believe some posts have been removed

[Captain Blood]

I believe some posts have been removed

Correct. Incivilty expunged. LAF’s prime directive has never really changed that much you know. You can say pretty much whatever you like here as long as it’s not rudeness or personal animus towards another member. As long as we all stick with that, all shall be well 

[Too Bo Coo]

Anyhoo, the reports of the new edition look very promising! My books are in the mail and I should have them in about ten days!!!

Now that people are starting to get theirs, what are your thoughts about the revision?

[mcfonz]

Gripping Beast have pre-orders at £10 for the Rule Book and £ 30 for the Vikings supplement.

Is there really only one scenario in there?  That would not seem to be good value for money.

This is an interesting point. I say that because a lot of rulebooks in the past gave you only the rules and perhaps the points for different forces - the scenarios were up to the players. To look at historical references and either recreate them, or base the concept of a scenario on them.

For me, SAGA is such a relatively simple system that you should be able to come up with your own scenarios and objectives easy enough. If not, and you have the old books, I dare say you can just use those.

I kind of despair at times that people think you can only play by scenarios that are in books for the rules system. Seems to be the way of the gaming world at the moment though.

[Antonio J Carrasco]

My set is in the mail, so I don't know how it works yet. However 1st edition scenarios shouldn't be too difficult to adapt to 2nd edition.

[Mr.J]

I fully agree with McFonz.

However the first edition scenarios will transfer over with little to no fuss.

[Too Bo Coo]

The scenarios were perhaps the most problematic part of the game. I play in a good number of tournaments a year, maybe 6 or 7, and it's obvious from a tournament (balance and fairness) some scenarios dont measure up. So if they are going to take the time to make the game right and it takes separate releases, get the game right and go for separate releases.

Remember, to get this all in one book would mean we would not be now getting the rules, but when the scenarios are finished....

[Gracchus Armisurplus]

We do not force anyone to buy our games. But if you like the first edition, it means that what we are working for is a success. Thank you.

Hey mate, I totally understand where you're coming from. And comparisons with Games Workshop are unfair since they also charge exorbitant prices for their models and terrain.

But it's not a good or professional look to be defending yourself online in this fashion. Let your fans defend your products and release/pricing models for you. There's plenty of Studio Tomahawk fans out there that will be willing to do so! Engaging in a slinging match just drags you down to the same level as your critics.

[mcfonz]

I'd agree with that but at the same time I think you also have to consider this is an industry made up of small businesses, some of them run on a part time basis because they wouldn't pay the bills on their own. Many of those working behind the scenes are of 'the arts' - writers, sculptors, commissioners of pieces.

I think people need to respect that whilst you would want everyone to act in a professional sense you would see from a large company, that some of these guys are incredibly passionate about what they do and incredibly vulnerable to slurs etc as well.

Studio Tomahawk couldn't exist if they were working for nothing. I personally think it is totally unreasonable to expect a free new edition. By my maths, if you had all of the books from the viking age from the last edition, this one is 50% of the cost. So I think they have been mindful and reduced the outlay. £40 is a fair price IMHO. It's around the same, or less even, than a new console/computer game, the average price of a board game (although there are plenty that are more), two and a bit trips to the cinema, football(soccer) ticket is £25-30, theatre is not far off the same, even low priced live music gigs are around the same £25-30. Yet this will give you hours of fun, 12 different factions to use if so desired, and different ways to game those factions. I have paid £25 to watch my football team get beaten, £15ish to watch a movie that I hoped was going to be better. This is hours with friends, sharing jokes and laughter and having a game at the same time - priceless. My wife has even said she will play her first ever wargame with SAGA as she likes Vikings!

I'm buying mine through Annie at Bad Squido Games to collect from Salute, so I have a while to wait yet but I know it will be worth it.

[Antonio J Carrasco]

Received my ruleset yesterday (bought it from Footsore, as I couldn't resist the temptation of the two free minis!), and first impression is good. I like how they have organized the book; the layout makes it easier to use than v1. I want to try the rules as soon as I can. First I need to finish re-basing my Anglo-Danes and Vikings, though. Not that the game requires it! It is that I have become fond of round bases, but I had my armies based in squares!

[Captain Blood]

Got my copies of the core rules and the viking book today. The core rules have some of my photos in, so it was gratis. Have to say the production values are excellent. I’ve only played Saga a few times so can’t really compare or get upset about what has changed from V1, but certainly intend to give it a go with the new version. They are very handsomely produced publications.

[monkeylite]

Got my copies of the core rules and the viking book today. The core rules have some of my photos in, so it was gratis. Have to say the production values are excellent. I’ve only played Saga a few times so can’t really compare or get upset about what has changed from V1, but certainly intend to give it a go with the new version. They are very handsomely produced publications.

Yeah, one of the best mini porn books out there, imo.