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Offline nic-e

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Re: The LAF star wars discussion thread. SPOILERS!
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2017, 04:26:30 PM »
Right.
I've not seen Last Jedi yet, and 'yes', I know this thread contains spoilers.
But that sort of thing has never bothered me.

It's the Leia flying thing.
Are you telling me that at some point in the film that she flies in space unaided?
Have I got that right?
Because if that is so then I think that could just be the moment that Star Wars jumps the shark (yeah, I know that sounds a bit rich).
I will have to see it for myself before coming to that conclusion but it just doesn't bode well.

Oh tell me it isn't so...



It certainly pulled me out of the film.

Basically...she gets blown out of the ship after the bridge get's blown up. She's floating in space, near dead and unconcious.The force then saves her. We aren't sure if luke does it from his island, or if it's her latent force powers acting while she's unconscious, But she wakes up and flies through the void back to her ship, wakes up, gets into the ship, then collapses.

It looks super weird and if they'd just left her dead then i'd have thought it was a dramatic ending for her character, But instead she's still alive at the end.
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Re: The LAF star wars discussion thread. SPOILERS!
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2017, 06:13:38 PM »
I also agree on the humour. While it was funny, it did not really match a star wars film. Comedy for comedy sake. Not people in the film making a joke. Poe's thing at the start, while giggle worthy was not really necessary. Wasting time for his fighter to power up? Surely that would have been done earlier instead of in front of a dreadnought.


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Re: The LAF star wars discussion thread. SPOILERS!
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2017, 07:12:27 PM »
I also agree on the humour. While it was funny, it did not really match a star wars film. Comedy for comedy sake. Not people in the film making a joke. Poe's thing at the start, while giggle worthy was not really necessary. Wasting time for his fighter to power up? Surely that would have been done earlier instead of in front of a dreadnought.

Also why stall by pissing people off. surely offering false terms of surrender or is better?

And those bombers moving SUPER SLOWLY THROUGH SPACE....And leia was SURPRISED that they got killed?

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Re: The LAF star wars discussion thread. SPOILERS!
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2017, 08:05:00 PM »
Well...Huumm... Ahem...
Honestly i dont know what to say.
I´m a fan of Star Wars but after episode VII i really didnt expect much on this film.
Not disapointed and i will always see the movies because theres always usefull stuff on them.
I gess with Rogue One, the parade was too high to reach and they couldnt done much with the existing characters of The Last Jedi.
Excess of humour? Yes.
Battle scenes? Nice.
Worth watching? Always. :)

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Re: The LAF star wars discussion thread. SPOILERS!
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2017, 08:26:09 PM »
It wasn't great. My kids thought it only so so: "It lost its Star Wars taste", according to one of them.

I did like a few things: the incidental scenes on Luke's island, with the monster in the water, the caretakers and the milk-creatures; the throne-room battle (heavily Kurosawa-flavoured); and Laura Dern's kamikaze jump. But overall, it had too much of the prequels about it: overused CGI and an evident attention-deficit syndrome. The plot was far too convoluted - and the entire coder episode was pointless.

A point I've seen made about it and agree with is that it doesn't take its time in any of its locations. Hoth was far better built up than the snow planet at the end of The Last Jedi, for instance, with the patrols, the probe droid, the wampa attack and so on. The casino was the worst instance of this; the pacing compared very poorly with the Mos Eisley cantina.

I also think they should give up on the echoes of previous films entirely. The Empire Strikes Back was very unlike Star Wars in in its story and structure, and all the better for it.

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Re: The LAF star wars discussion thread. SPOILERS!
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2017, 08:47:42 PM »
The movie left me gutted  :( :( :(
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Re: The LAF star wars discussion thread. SPOILERS!
« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2017, 09:18:34 PM »
Me an the kids went to see it Friday, they both loved it (10yr & 7yr old) as for me, well, the Leia in space bit was bolloks  :? & the rest was hit at miss at best.
I had high hopes, after rogue one.

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Re: The LAF star wars discussion thread. SPOILERS!
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2017, 09:31:02 PM »
Loved almost everything’s NKG about it. Definitely in the top 3 Star Wars movies of all time.

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Re: The LAF star wars discussion thread. SPOILERS!
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2017, 10:14:05 PM »
Right.
I've not seen Last Jedi yet, and 'yes', I know this thread contains spoilers.
But that sort of thing has never bothered me.

It's the Leia flying thing.
Are you telling me that at some point in the film that she flies in space unaided?
Have I got that right?
Because if that is so then I think that could just be the moment that Star Wars jumps the shark (yeah, I know that sounds a bit rich).
I will have to see it for myself before coming to that conclusion but it just doesn't bode well.

Like some of you have already intimated, I have more or less given up on Star Wars now. I have reached that state of nirvana where I have managed to get all memory of the prequels out of my mind to the extent that I find myself wondering if they'll ever make episodes 1-3.
Force Awakens was uninspired 6/10 for me and I fully expect Last Jedi to be about the same. Which is why I just can't motivate myself to go and see it just yet.
I just couldn't give a tinker's cuss about the new characters and Ren is about as scary as any stroppy teenager and should be dealt with just the same - smack the back of his legs and send him to his room without his XBox.

But Leia..flying...in space...
Oh tell me it isn't so...

You sum up my feelings quite well.
The franchise is ok. But I can wait for it to come out on Netflix.

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Re: The LAF star wars discussion thread. SPOILERS!
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2017, 10:41:59 PM »
***Spoilers...obviously***

Can we address the rather comical fact that once again...the end of the movie more or less boiled down to desperate fighter attack craft charging a large laser machine?   lol  I actually muttered a "Are you f_cking kidding me..." to myself whilst watching it.

Also, once it fired...it did a microscopic amount of damage to the gigantic blast shield door - conveniently only enough for characters to enter/leave.

And...Snoke must be a terrible Sith lord if he didn't pick up on the twisting.   :P



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Re: The LAF star wars discussion thread. SPOILERS!
« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2017, 11:19:23 PM »
***Spoilers...obviously***

Can we address the rather comical fact that once again...the end of the movie more or less boiled down to desperate fighter attack craft charging a large laser machine?   lol  I actually muttered a "Are you f_cking kidding me..." to myself whilst watching it.

Also, once it fired...it did a microscopic amount of damage to the gigantic blast shield door - conveniently only enough for characters to enter/leave.

And...Snoke must be a terrible Sith lord if he didn't pick up on the twisting.   :P

god yeah... when that got put down and they said "hey, it's DEATH STAR TECH!" i justthought "god dammit the internet will not take this well." i mean, cool? But why not just have "Holy shit the door's jammed! we need to keep them from storming the mine entrance while the engineers get it closed."

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Re: The LAF star wars discussion thread. SPOILERS!
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2017, 08:23:20 AM »
I may come to think of it as the best of the series so far. Hamill, Ridley and Driver are excellent. The humor is not slapstick but clever. The cinematography is beautiful. Sure, it is a bit bloated, but which episode is not?

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Re: The LAF star wars discussion thread. SPOILERS!
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2017, 12:13:05 AM »
Now, the Han Solo one. Yup, I'll be all over that. That's what I want - the Star Wars that I used to know.

Just a word to the wise - they've been having a revolving door hell with directors with that one, so I would keep expectations for it... conservative.

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Re: The LAF star wars discussion thread. SPOILERS!
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2017, 08:37:45 AM »
A question for you all, if someone can please help:

Does a Star Destroyer do anything cool in this film?

Cool things include, but not limited to: blast the merry hell out of enemy/innocent spaceships (not the odd x-wing, but a serious ship of the line)/bases/cities... anything really, to justify a fearsome reputation.

I've been waiting over 30 years to see one of those flying wedges do something cool. Absolutely zero interest in the film if the answer is "No".

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Re: The LAF star wars discussion thread. SPOILERS!
« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2017, 09:56:59 AM »
Well...

I saw it yesterday, with my regular gaming friends, and it was... a film...

I'm not going to lie; we were all entertained, and it was Star Wars. But also, I have to admit, it was deeply flawed.

And that's coming from somebody (me) who has a huge capacity for suspension of disbelief, a great love for anything Star Wars, and who can always see the silver lining on the darkest clouds. But even I have to say that even though it's a huge spectacle, a rollercoaster ride and set in the Star Wars universe, there were simply parts in it that were downright bad.

Things that bugged me:

* The Leia spacewalk. That was just utter BS IMHO. Also, in the light of Carry Fischer's passing, they could have used that material to very dramatically end her character right there. I mean; now Mark Hamil's still alive, but Luke's dead, and Carry Fischer is dead, but Leia lives!? Good luck writing yourself out of that one.

- Snoke's death. There was absolutely zero investment in his character; who was he, what were his motivations, his origins? We don't know, and now it doesn't matter, and quite frankly; who cares? The biggest bad guy dead halfway through the trilogy, so who's going to carry the day for the bad guys? Masochist flunky Hugs Hux? Conflicted Kylo? There's a big chance he will be turned in the end, so who will be there to go out with a bang?

- Phasma's death. Another Boba Fett moment. A total bad ass character, who you want to see more of, gets killed off in a not very satisfying way.

- Finn's almost sacrifice. That would have actually been an awesome and heroic way to go out as a character. But Rose decides to foil his desperate attempt to stop the destruction of the rebel base purely because she's got the hots for him? And then goes on saying that winning should not be about destroying what you hate but saving what you love? WTF DID YOU THINK FINN WAS DOING BEFORE YOU HELPED THE FIRST ORDER BY STOPPING HIM?? Net result; the Death Star technology Battering Ram Laser (wot?) holes the massive door the Rebels were hiding behind...


And there were quite a lot of other, smaller things that elude me for now. The worst part was, that the above pulled me 'out' of the film. Something that rarely happens, and that's usually a good sign a film does not sit right with me.

I have to admit; sitting through it with 5 other thirty- and fourtysomething Star Wars nuts in the back row probably wasn't helping in that regard, as jokes and remarks were shared throughout. And I ruined it for myself by making a popping sound when the rebel cruiser hyperjumped into the massive FO ship. People laughed and I was ripped out of the story and was unable to get back in. In hindsight, that was just stupidity for some cheap laughs. But it does illustrate how I was experiencing the film at that moment I guess; not fully invested.

In about a week, I will see it again, this time with my 15 y/o, Star Wars crazy nephew; it's a bit of a tradition that we go and see the new Star wars film together. I think I will probably be able to get into the story more then.


The good; yes, despite the deep flaws I mentioned, there was also a lot of nice and even good about it. Most of my buddies have been nitpicking over a lot of minor things already (and to be honest; some of the points above do fall in this category), and I'm sure this will go on for a good time to come, but I don't share those opinions.

Sure; you can destroy the entire film by nitpicking it to death, but it's my opinion that each and every film can be subjected to that and be totally annihilated. It's all about suspension of disbelief and storytelling. Some things are done just to get the story across; live with it and just enjoy the ride... :)


And this is one of my major opinions, and not so popular with my friends: the original trilogy was also flawed at many levels! (but I still love them ;) )

At the time Alec Guinness, a respected and lauded actor, was in it for the money; he despised the film and the hokey texts he was fed. The storylines were shallow at best, the acting at times clunky and wooden, and the effects, while good for their time, also had their flaws.

But we all remember those fondly. In-jokes are made of the original trilogy's mistakes; they're 'part of the charm', and have actually been embraced by the fans. Probably because we've had to make do with those three films for decades.

The new ones are not better (well, Rogue One actually is) or worse that the originals. Had Lucas had the chance to use the CGI visuals of the prequels back in the seventies and eighties when he did the originals, I have no doubt he would have! Search your feelings; you know it to be true...

Thing is; we've not (yet?) had the chance to let the prequels and sequels stew in the way that the originals have. But with the frequency of new films appearing, there is only a small chance they will get the same opportunity.

So; even though the company I was in probably spoiled parts of the movie for me, and I have my criticisms (some of the above points can certainly be glossed over, but the Leia thing is just plain wrong, period), I think I can say that it is on par with all other Star Wars films.

Highly entertaining, but don't look for second layers, deeper storylines or meaning, because it's space opera; it's entertainment, and not a lifestyle or religion, and in the greater scheme of things actually not important and certainly not a reason to get worked up, or lose sleep over.

I was entertained by the Star Wars universe, and probably will be again in the future... (just really don't pull another Leia, please ::) )


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