KS for Confrontation 'Resurrection' April 17th

[Daeothar]

Just going by those minis, they've certainly hit the spot.

I must read into the rules of the game (I'm not convinced at the moment, partly due to the, ehm, interesting, English in the texts, but that might be addressed), but the minis would blend in perfectly with the existing Confrontation range.

They certainly appear to be better organized, and the full development of an entire game system shows their dedication.

My sentiments right now are; I hope the Cadwallon guys are very succesful, so along the line, they can actually buy the rights to Confrontation from those bumbling buffoons holding them now, be able to sell the original (re)casts again and integrate them in their own game.

Best case scenario I can think of at the moment.

So here's to hoping Legends of Signum will be a resounding succes...

[FionaWhite]

^
||

That's much more eloquently put than I could've said.
The one thing I dislike about the Signum KS is the tying of a bonus miniature on the backer's ability to advertise the KS on Facebook.
I do understand that it'll get them more free advertisement but it does put everyone without a Facebook account out a mini.

Still, I do love the look of the minis. Not only do they look like they'd be right at home in Confrontation, several of them look like they'd be at home in a more Dark Souls-esque setting.

[Timbor]

FWIW, I think the Cadwallon guys did have some master moulds or something... or else they are very talented at casting. I have ordered from them a few times in the past, and the quality was excellent. Some were even better quality than the officially released confrontation versions I had of the same figure!

I'd love to back the Cadwallon KS, but don't like the CCG aspect of it. Hopefully they decide to do a minis-only pledge.

As for this KS... I left my pledge at 1 euro... mostly to watch the slow motion train wreck it seems to be turning into. I find it very hard to believe that the quality will be wothwhile for so many miniatures... being cast in a material that is known to be of lower quality.

[robh]

Fanbois out in force again this morning, thankfully they all seem to have early bedtimes so late evenings and early morning discussions seem calmer and more productive.

Last night there was discussion of the general financial risks associated with backing a KS ( obviously developed from the massive risk factor of this one). A well know figure manufacturer who has run their own KS campaigns commented on KS risk in general and the legal position of backers/investors.
This morning he was roundly attacked, basically told he did not know what he was talking about and that the creators of this project are lovely people who would surely refund everyone all their pledge money if things go wrong.

There are people backing this who genuinely believe they are guaranteed the big box of excellent quality figures, with first quality printed game cards and plastic scenery, or a full refund of their pledge.

WTF
 

[DivisMal]

Fanbois out in force again this morning, thankfully they all seem to have early bedtimes so late evenings and early morning discussions seem calmer and more productive.

Last night there was discussion of the general financial risks associated with backing a KS ( obviously developed from the massive risk factor of this one). A well know figure manufacturer who has run their own KS campaigns commented on KS risk in general and the legal position of backers/investors.
This morning he was roundly attacked, basically told he did not know what he was talking about and that the creators of this project are lovely people who would surely refund everyone all their pledge money if things go wrong.

There are people backing this who genuinely believe they are guaranteed the big box of excellent quality figures, with first quality printed game cards and plastic scenery, or a full refund of their pledge.

WTF

Like you I have a perverted joy in checking this particular KS from time to time, hoping for a miracle or a catastrophe or just some malicious joy reading the comments.
I must sa the fanatical fanboys nearly convinced me from time to time...

After all I would pay like 1200 € if this marvelous box ever reached the shops...I started to look for ahidden camera last week.

[gibby64]

Well I'm not a fanatical fanboy, but I'm still in with my EB pledge... if it works out it will be one of my best investments... if not it will be sour... that's investing though... you weigh the risks and make a decision. I'm staying in... fingers crossed... if it dives, then I'll have all my Joan of arc figures to keep me happy this Christmas!!

[nic-e]

Who are these people that have £300 to just risk on such a shoddy kickstarter? I'm always confused by the comment son dakkadakka when a new big kickstarter comes along , the ones along the lines of "well i have these 4 massive kickstarters coming to me soon, and i'm backing 4 more now, but i'll happily drop £400 on this one!"
Where are the people so easily deperated from their money? I have some super rare and expensive scrap wood and banana peels to sell them!

I swear half the backs of big kickstarter projects never even open their boxes and just stick it all on ebay when it arrives to try and kill the buyers remorse.

[DivisMal]

Well I'm not a fanatical fanboy, but I'm still in with my EB pledge... if it works out it will be one of my best investments... if not it will be sour... that's investing though... you weigh the risks and make a decision. I'm staying in... fingers crossed... if it dives, then I'll have all my Joan of arc figures to keep me happy this Christmas!!

Well. Good luck to you, sir!

I certainly hope the KS will succeed and produce minis in decent quality. But even if this succeeds, SD have announced to drop the classical Confrontation line (why?), and I guess ebay will be flooded with minis people who had an eB don’t need and sell off.

[gibby64]

I think they brought this back out to make sure there was still an interest in the game before they start work on Resurrection... It's not a waste as everyone loves the models and they are compatible with the next version... But they needed to see the interest before they start work on all new sculpts for the new game... They are looking to hire several of the Rackham sculptors to carry the theme on... They will not ditch the masters/scans i guarantee it... Too many people love them... Would be dumb to do so. I'll bet GW still has every mold they've ever used. Just in case.

[pixelgeek]

I'll bet GW still has every mold they've ever used.

They most assuredly don't

[Tactalvanic]

In many cases love of anything by anyone is outweighed by the desire of the few in possession of it to make money from both it and the love shown to it by those others.

I hope it succeeds, and its not a victim of the above, but I have enough   some stuff already, and not touching it until ebay if ever.

If it is necessary for those who support it to defend it by defaming/attacking people for their justifiable concerns, rather than answering them, then is it really going that well for anyone?

Still, its a KS, we are free to chance the investment to hopefully receive something for it.

Run a KS poorly to gauge interest in relaunching a product? Really? think there are probably a lot better choices/ways to do that.

I swear half the backs of big kickstarter projects never even open their boxes and just stick it all on ebay when it arrives to try and kill the buyers remorse.

Of course not, its worth more if you keep it in the plastic wrapper and never take it out - the pristine condition, think of the value to other collectors, and how much they will be willing to pay you for it when your dead and gone....

[robh]

They most assuredly don't

Correct, I watched a few being destroyed when I was working there. With some licence agreements it is a legal requirement to destroy the possibility of production when the licence ends. Others simply burn out and are not replaced.
At the time they were keeping at least one of the "Tins" of the GW copyright miniatures though. These being the specialist first casts of the master (called "Tins" because of the alloy which is different to the production casting. Better detail retention at the cost of reduced flexibility/pliability)

As for the Kickstarter
 

The inclusion of all the new stretch goal minis does not seem to have recovered the Kickstarter, total is still dropping and barely a change in the numbers of available early bird pledges. Looks as if the few new backers have gone straight for the add ons.

May be their only option now to include all the stretch goal miniatures as add ons and boost the funds that way but I think it will be too little to late. I see no way they can produce what they have committed themselves to for the money they have raised.

edit:   At least not with the quality that people will expect of a Confrontation mini.

[mcfonz]

DavisMal - that's not investment, that's gambling.

Kickstarter is like the public version of dragon's den. Investment is about weighing up what is on offer and whether it is realistic and the people that are suggesting they can do it are reliable and trustworthy.

When you have weighed up that, hopefully with something more substantial than words of reassurance, then you decide whether the investment is viable or not.

If you are investing knowing that the chances are slim that you will get the return you invest for, then that's just a gamble. You are rolling the dice and hoping for double 6's.

Has to be said that this is not looking good at all. The resin pledge level is not economic, it will lose them money, not make it for them. It doesn't take much maths to work it out.

If they can't get that right, then where does that put the normal pledges.

[DivisMal]

OMG...after a not that bad attempt to introduce resin as a material (heck, I might have pledged, if they had offered smaller pledges, but 1000€ is ridiculous!), it’s going down again!
Dropped to 535,000 after reaching 550,000.

And guess what? The last update is really good...in a bad way: substitution of the bazillions of special abilities in Confrontation with icons.

1. This is clearly more difficult to remember and check up, and makes their new cards incompatible with the old ones. You can already imagine the in-game dialogues, like „Does your mini have brutal or born killler? Well it has a circle with a dor. A large dot? Well an dot that is pointed. To which side?“

2. they totally forgot that in Confrontation the equipment had a game effect with certain cards.

3. there are so many special abilities that they will run out of icons pretty soon.

Ach, heck. Why couldn’t they have just recast the old minis in metal?

[BaronVonJ]

Ach, heck. Why couldn’t they have just recast the old minis in metal?

That's all people want.