New BCW from Musketeer Mins

[Mancha]

I could use a little help with this concept, as I recently ordered the "Toff" (a word we don't use in the USA) and British Militia. 

I get that the BUFs are fascists.  I get that the IRA are seperatists.  I suspect that the auxiliaries (the Black and Tans) would be on the side of the fascists, fighting for a centralized, authoritarian government.  The new Workers Militia would be fighting against a centralized government; being Socialists/Communists of some sort.  The Toff and the British Militia go together, right?  And I assume they would also be on the side of a traditional, royalist, authoritarian, centralized government, right?

So if I have this right, and likenining this to the Spanish Civil War, one side of the third English Civil War would be BUFs, Black-and-Tans, and British Militia (headed by Toffs), versus, on the other side, Workers Militia and IRA; yes?

[Durutti]

I could use a little help with this concept, as I recently ordered the "Toff" (a word we don't use in the USA) and British Militia. 

I get that the BUFs are fascists.  I get that the IRA are seperatists.  I suspect that the auxiliaries (the Black and Tans) would be on the side of the fascists, fighting for a centralized, authoritarian government.  The new Workers Militia would be fighting against a centralized government; being Socialists/Communists of some sort.  The Toff and the British Militia go together, right?  And I assume they would also be on the side of a traditional, royalist, authoritarian, centralized government, right?

So if I have this right, and likenining this to the Spanish Civil War, one side of the third English Civil War would be BUFs, Black-and-Tans, and British Militia (headed by Toffs), versus, on the other side, Workers Militia and IRA; yes?

Forget the IRA & Black and Tans, they are essentially for the Irish wars of Independance.

The concept of the "Very British Civil War" is that Mosley (Fascist) has been asked to form a government by the king (another fascist) the B.U.F (British Union of Fascists) are Mosley's private army, combined with Loyalist Army units, the Auxilary Constabulary ( coppers with guns) and various armed factions of  right-wing persuasion ( most of whom would be likely to be upper class twits. like your Toff. with their estate workers acting as troops) coupled with support from the likes of Hitler and Mussolini.
 Against them are  the various Left-Wing groups, they being your freedom fighters, workers militia, foreign interventionalist etc. and Anglican league (god squad with guns) they could have support from Stalin, and possibly the ~French, who had a Popular Front government at the time.

Nice figs, with a lot of good uses.

[Mancha]

So it sounds like I've got it about right then.

Surely the IRA would make use of the mess to partner up with other anti-government factions?

[Lowtardog]

So it sounds liek I've got it about right then.

Surely the IRA would make use of the mess to partner up with other anti-government factions?

It is certainly in the Source book as an avenue to explore as are the Irish Blue Shirt national socialists.

I am a little surprised as some negative comments on a Pulp forum about the concept being unlikely? when we regularly game, paint and discuss the bizarre and improbable

Lovely figures BTW Mr Hicks something for my Royalists to get their teeth into

[Mr.J]

Don't get me wrong I think it's a really good idea but I like my pulp to be a bit more exotic!

[Mancha]

I am a little surprised as some negative comments on a Pulp forum about the concept being unlikely? when we regularly game, paint and discuss the bizarre and improbable

Actually, the critics said the concept is "awful" and not liked.  It was a defender who said it was merely "improbable".

[Lowtardog]

I am a little surprised as some negative comments on a Pulp forum about the concept being unlikely? when we regularly game, paint and discuss the bizarre and improbable

Actually, the critics said the concept is "awful" and not liked.  It was a defender who said it was merely "improbable".

True Mancha

[Paul Hicks]

I actually saw the Toff being based on Berty Wooster as anti Fascist judging by his contempt for Spode and his Black Shorts in the books.

I tried to make the figures so that you could use them for any faction you want. Just let your imagination run wild.

Paul

[Geudens]

I tried to make the figures so that you could use them for any faction you want. Just let your imagination run wild.

Paul

No problem with that... 

Rudi

[fastolfrus]

Don't get me wrong I think it's a really good idea but I like my pulp to be a bit more exotic!

More exotic ?
But you come from the great metropolis of York !

To us, exotic is a trawler with pink paintwork....

[Bungle]

Top stuff.

I would still love a Ukulele carrying northern cheeky chappy for the Anarchists. .. he would need a gun too.

[Geudens]

How about a set with one seated militia MG gunner (that could double for a vehicle driver with some fiddling) and 3 other figures standing, looking being idle, but perfectly OK for a gun crew (sort of open handed figures)?

They could be used as the MG gunners assistent, artillery crew, prisoners of war, orderly duties, runners of the staff and a number of other duties, including air wardens for WWII, if they had helmets. This sort of set would be more profitable to produce since it would appeal to more people (or in larger numbers to the same customer).

Rudi

[Phil Robinson]

Top stuff.

I would still love a Ukulele carrying northern cheeky chappy for the Anarchists. .. he would need a gun too.

Surely a lamp post as well

[xeoran]

Surely the IRA would make use of the mess to partner up with other anti-government factions?

IRA interests at the time were entirely in Ireland and frankly the main player would probably be the Irish government, not the IRA. Their objective would be to unify the country by taking the North. This would place them in conflict with the Protestant Loyalist majority in the North (who oddly often had left wing politics) and their Government supporters on the British Mainland (usually right wing). Then add in the historical Irish 'Blueshirts' (Irish fascists, many of whom were ex-IRA ultra-nationalists) who historically served in the Spanish Civil War with Franco and might well have involved themselves in any British Civil War and it all gets very complicated. Essentially you could expect to see various Irish factions becoming involved on every side.

The Black and Tans themselves are unique to the Irish War of Independence but many held right wing politics and no doubt would have gone on to serve with right-wing forces in the BCW.

(Genuine Irishmen or experts can correct me.)

The BCW itself is essentially Right against Left with both sides covering a whole spectrum of beliefs. The Right supported by the fascist regimes (Germany, Italy etc.) and the Left by communists and socialists (Soviets, French etc.). Like you'd expect there is a hugely broad spectrum so you could expect to see toff's fighting for left-wing forces or anti-Soviet anarchists fighting for the right-wing forces. There's such a wide range you can pretty much create forces however you want. Like all civil wars its messy.

Absolutely superb miniatures. Very characterful.

[argsilverson]

How about a set with one seated militia MG gunner (that could double for a vehicle driver with some fiddling) and 3 other figures standing, looking being idle, but perfectly OK for a gun crew (sort of open handed figures)?

They could be used as the MG gunners assistent, artillery crew, prisoners of war, orderly duties, runners of the staff and a number of other duties, including air wardens for WWII, if they had helmets. This sort of set would be more profitable to produce since it would appeal to more people (or in larger numbers to the same customer).

Rudi

Yes, such packs (and if possible with separate heads, plus several sets of heads in various headgears) are very useful!
I always wished to have such a set with sailors outfits, too.

And another humble suggestion: A set of women. At this era women started to be very active even in combat units (see SCW!) So, some women in shirts (and tie) and skirts, will be suitable for joining some of the fractions already described, even in this thread!