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Online vodkafan

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Re: Valiant Miniatures re-scaled?
« Reply #45 on: November 08, 2021, 10:08:52 PM »

Of course you don't measure a real person from the eyes because you can access the top of their head - unless they're permanently wearing a tin helmet or similar. Figures you cannot.

A size is there for reference. I think I explained that. Our 20mm figures were sold as that size measured from foot to eye. Sorry you don't like that but that was the size. I was not at all interested in describing them as a 'scale'.

When a number is offered as size one accepts that as reference point  or not but that's how the manufacturer sells them, they aren't scale. Railways are sold in scales, kits are sold in scale but wargaming figures are not. The sizes have equivalents but they are approximate.

That's it physicist

Haha JohnFoA thank you for calling me a physicist.
I get it that you use 20mm as a wargaming reference and you explained quite clearly that your figures were 20mm measured foot to eye and marketed as such...I got that.
 But if you take a figure that is 20mm to eyes it will be 22-23mm overall....that is all I am saying.
20mm is really 23mm.
25mm is really 27-28mm
28mm is really 31mm
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Offline Harry Faversham

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Re: Valiant Miniatures re-scaled?
« Reply #46 on: November 08, 2021, 10:18:24 PM »
Haha JohnFoA thank you for calling me a physicist.

Wot's a physicist?
Meanwhile here's some Raventhorpe Paras...

 :)
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Online vodkafan

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Re: Valiant Miniatures re-scaled?
« Reply #47 on: November 08, 2021, 10:33:34 PM »
Hey Harry you got those impressively quickly. Somebody at the bridge  must have fixed the radio  lol
How do you like them?
« Last Edit: November 08, 2021, 10:35:25 PM by vodkafan »

Offline 2010sunburst

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Re: Valiant Miniatures re-scaled?
« Reply #48 on: November 08, 2021, 10:37:55 PM »
Haha JohnFoA thank you for calling me a physicist.
I get it that you use 20mm as a wargaming reference and you explained quite clearly that your figures were 20mm measured foot to eye and marketed as such...I got that.
 But if you take a figure that is 20mm to eyes it will be 22-23mm overall....that is all I am saying.
20mm is really 23mm.
25mm is really 27-28mm
28mm is really 31mm

And there is scale creep….right there  lol lol lol

Offline Harry Faversham

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Re: Valiant Miniatures re-scaled?
« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2021, 06:30:03 AM »
Hey Harry you got those impressively quickly. Somebody at the bridge  must have fixed the radio  lol
How do you like them?

Like e'm? They're absolutely spiffing...
or will be when I've fixed the Stens into Mk.Vs!

:)
« Last Edit: November 09, 2021, 06:31:35 AM by Harry Faversham »

Offline bluewillow

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Re: Valiant Miniatures re-scaled?
« Reply #50 on: November 09, 2021, 06:33:41 PM »
Gosh I have some of those lanky Paras I did not know they were Raventhorpe !

Cheers
Matt

Offline JohnFoA

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Re: Valiant Miniatures re-scaled?
« Reply #51 on: November 11, 2021, 10:12:57 AM »
And there is scale creep….right there  lol lol lol

Well over the sector yes and no - but we did work very hard to keep all figures at 20mm - although we did IIRC do some Asian figures a little shorter.

I did experiment with a small (number of packs) Vietnam range with taller figures around 1/72 scale.  Again I think these were 23mm to eye making them 5' 10" tall at 1/72.  That would be scale creep.  Sold them off when planning to do 28mm SCW.  BIG regret.  I feel now that these were a great size. Ho hum.

Anyway this thread is about RESCALING so I should stick to that.  If figures are getting smaller is that scale creep?
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Offline JohnFoA

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Re: Valiant Miniatures re-scaled?
« Reply #52 on: November 11, 2021, 10:31:29 AM »
Haha JohnFoA thank you for calling me a physicist.
I get it that you use 20mm as a wargaming reference and you explained quite clearly that your figures were 20mm measured foot to eye and marketed as such...I got that.
 But if you take a figure that is 20mm to eyes it will be 22-23mm overall....that is all I am saying.
20mm is really 23mm.
25mm is really 27-28mm
28mm is really 31mm

Your welcome

And yes on overall size - however it depends on what you allow for distance between eyes and crown of skull. As I understand its typically between 4 and  6 inches - 100-150mm in the EU ( lol). 
So at 4mm to 12"/300mm (1:72) add 1 1/2 to 2mm
At 4.6mm to 12"/300mm (1/65 or 28mm eye to foot) add pretty much the same maybe 1.75 mm  to 2.25mm for overall.

Anyway if/when I do some figures I will have a bald headed mannikin prototype made up to a scale and hair/hat go on top but I'll be able to say this represents a person 'x' tall.

Still can't please everyone  ;D

cheers all

Hope you're able to source the figures okay.

Offline Harry Faversham

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Re: Valiant Miniatures re-scaled?
« Reply #53 on: November 12, 2021, 11:18:47 PM »
Gosh I have some of those lanky Paras I did not know they were Raventhorpe !

Cheers
Matt

Some piccys would be nice, for  a bit of painting inspiration.

 :)