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Offline Mike Blake

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Re: Raglan's Back of Beyond Project
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2018, 01:50:00 PM »
LUVERLY! The whole set-up is totally inspiring. Thanks for sharing. Now I really must do some Russian Lancers...
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Offline Lord Raglan

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Re: Raglan's Back of Beyond Project
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2019, 08:01:49 PM »
Austro−Hungarian POW Infantry








Offline Johnno

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Re: Raglan's Back of Beyond Project
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2019, 01:17:03 AM »
Very nice AHs. Like that they are wearing helmets.
White helmets? I'm intrigued.
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Offline Mike Blake

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Re: Raglan's Back of Beyond Project
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2019, 01:11:16 PM »
Very striking - they look really menacing! :)

Offline Metternich

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Re: Raglan's Back of Beyond Project
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2019, 08:49:30 PM »
Austro-Hungarian POWs !  Fantastic - really adds something different to the table.  I love how a couple of them have a mix of Russian and Austrian uniforms.

Offline Lord Raglan

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Re: Raglan's Back of Beyond Project
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2019, 09:38:36 PM »
Cheers guys

I got the idea for weathered white helmets from the Osprey Ottoman Turk reference which features a soldier from an assault party wearing what looks to be an off white helmet. I think the white works well against the blue/grey uniforms.

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Re: Raglan's Back of Beyond Project
« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2019, 04:11:53 AM »
There is one problem))) Shoulder straps soldiers wornexclusively "White". In the Red Army during this period the use of shoulder straps is impossible.

Offline Lord Raglan

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Re: Raglan's Back of Beyond Project
« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2019, 01:28:09 PM »
Tell me more?

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Re: Raglan's Back of Beyond Project
« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2019, 01:52:03 PM »
In the Red Army, shoulder straps and military ranks were completely abolished, as an equal sign of all military personnel. However, very quickly the “red” understood that it was impossible to do without any insignia in the army. Then there were introduced sleeve insignia and a special chest badge for commanders. Shoulder straps are preserved only in most of the "white" armies and became a symbol of belonging to the anti-Bolshevik formations. The Red Army returned shoulder straps only in 1943.

Former prisoners of war in the Red Army could retain elements of their former uniforms, but they definitely could not have epaulets (it was just dangerous in the red camp). Yes, and helmets and other equipment was hardly available to them. They wore red ribbons, bows, and bandages as insignia.

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Re: Raglan's Back of Beyond Project
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2019, 02:25:56 PM »
I am wrong. In the available photos, I see some shoulder straps (((

Offline Lord Raglan

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Re: Raglan's Back of Beyond Project
« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2019, 05:32:50 PM »
I am wrong. In the available photos, I see some shoulder straps (((

Thank goodness for that, I was just about to hit them with the file.

Great info, thank you for taking the time to share, this forum is awesome!!

Offline Lord Raglan

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Re: Raglan's Back of Beyond Project
« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2019, 12:03:55 PM »
Russian Bolshevik Sailors






Offline Mike Blake

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Re: Raglan's Back of Beyond Project
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2019, 12:34:44 PM »
EXCELLENT. They look the part.

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Re: Raglan's Back of Beyond Project
« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2019, 05:09:35 PM »
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Re: Raglan's Back of Beyond Project
« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2019, 05:21:46 PM »
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I am wrong. In the available photos, I see some shoulder straps (((

In theory you're not wrong. The Red Army did ban shoulder boards as 'Tsarist'. They only brought them back in 1943, when Stalin was instilling some Russian Nationalism back into the Red Army. It's why you should have one set of Russians for 1939-42, and another set for '43 onwards.

I remember reading why Red Army soldiers wouldn't have worn them, because if the commissars caught you wearing them, they were nailed into your shoulders...with nails. Those Russians  ::)