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Offline cuprum

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #75 on: December 18, 2021, 05:01:45 PM »
Perhaps you are talking about "Turkestan line battalions"? But these are the usual garrison or territorial troops for Russia. Here is an article from Wikipedia about such battalions (automatic translation):

https://ru-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BE%D0%BD?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru

Offline italwars

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #76 on: December 18, 2021, 06:16:48 PM »
Again many thanks Cuprum!  you're a real gentleman and a scientist to supply us all that great info and in so many fields..
among the plates you posted the black and white contemporary one is also very interesting...among the various troop types i noticed also, in the center, a figure (not an officer as he hold a rifle but maybe a cavaryman from his side sword scabbard)) that sport, instead of the képi type,  the flat type hat with visor, and in that very case, with neckcloth..from what i was aware of that hat  was adopted only from the  Russo-Japanese War and up to WW1/RCW (and by NKV D troop types during WW2)...that's quite amazing for me as i thought that in 1879,with the  exception maybe of some officers  only the képi type hat covered with white cloth was in use...if we could also use for the Conquest Of Central Asia the same Russian figures of the Boxer Rebellion it'll of great help...at least for me that i already own some painted Russian white dressed infantry for the Boxer Rebellion...
many thanks for your precious advice.
« Last Edit: December 18, 2021, 06:21:21 PM by italwars »

Offline marco55

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #77 on: December 18, 2021, 07:50:54 PM »
Perhaps you are talking about "Turkestan line battalions"? But these are the usual garrison or territorial troops for Russia. Here is an article from Wikipedia about such battalions (automatic translation):

https://ru-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BE%D0%BD?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru

Yes I think these are what I was referring to.
Mark

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #78 on: December 19, 2021, 04:27:55 AM »
White caps were allowed to be used by officers and generals. Also, white caps were widely used by the Cossacks.





Three figures for the Central Asian campaigns - a soldier in the foreground and two officers on the right. One in a shirt, the other in a jacket. (In green uniforms - soldiers in the Caucasus)



Orenburg Cossacks in Central Asia 1860 - 1870. Officer and Cossack.




Siberian Cossack

Offline JBaumal

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #79 on: December 20, 2021, 04:08:33 AM »
Cuprum, thank you for that wealth of data and period paintings! I’d not seen several of those before.

Offline CPT Shanks

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #80 on: December 21, 2021, 06:11:18 PM »
Great information Cuprum. Thank you for posting and explaining.
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Offline ColCampbell

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #81 on: December 21, 2021, 06:28:11 PM »
I've also begun collecting and painting Russians for Central Asian campaigns and battles.  You can see some of my initial efforts on my blog, ColCampbell's Barracks.  So far all my Russians are Askari Miniatures.



Currently I am (slowly) working on a Krupp field gun and a Russian produced Gatling gun for my Russian forces as well as some British regulars.  In the queue are some more Russians, Brits, Indians, and Pashtuns.

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Offline marco55

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #82 on: December 22, 2021, 12:13:26 PM »
They look very good but I think the pants should be red but then again soldiers always improvise. :)
Mark

Offline italwars

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #83 on: December 22, 2021, 11:54:42 PM »
something about military operations and in English..even if dated could be found on line
a heavy PDF book with a few battle histories, description of Central Asian warriors  and some few  nice line drawings:
https://archive.org/details/campaigningonoxu00macg
« Last Edit: December 22, 2021, 11:57:37 PM by italwars »

Offline marco55

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #84 on: December 23, 2021, 04:01:56 PM »
Thanks Pier. I found it in book form at Amazon and ordered it. Hard for me to read on the computer.
Mark

Offline italwars

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #85 on: December 24, 2021, 02:08:05 PM »
Thanks Pier. I found it in book form at Amazon and ordered it. Hard for me to read on the computer.
Mark
hi you're welcome ...me too..i've spent more than 3 years in digitalising and scan all my archives and majority of my books, maps ecc and still not able to enjoy reading trough the PC...anyway still happy to be "old fashion" :-)

Offline marco55

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #86 on: December 24, 2021, 02:27:22 PM »
Me too.Give me a book anyday.
Mark

Offline JBaumal

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #87 on: December 24, 2021, 03:05:20 PM »
Me too! There’s just something about an old fashioned book. I too will be purchasing that book. Thank you for the recommendation!

Offline marco55

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #88 on: December 24, 2021, 05:19:32 PM »
Make sure you get the one 504 pages. There's a soft cover edition but says it is only 136 pages.
Mark

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #89 on: December 31, 2021, 03:34:07 AM »
Mark, thank you for the heads up on the book.