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Offline marco55

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #45 on: December 01, 2021, 02:33:55 PM »
Here's a drawing from 1873 that might be of interest.
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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2021, 12:49:54 PM »
I don't know if anybody is interested in boardgames but this is coming out in about a year.  http://shop.strategyandtacticspress.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ST338
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Offline JBaumal

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #47 on: December 05, 2021, 04:27:59 AM »
Great drawing Marco, thanks for sharing. We just played a wargame today with a Russian incursion into northern Afghanistan, 1890.

Offline marco55

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #48 on: December 05, 2021, 05:05:05 AM »
That's great you will have to put some photos up. That drawing is up on ebay.
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Offline giorgio

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #49 on: December 05, 2021, 10:21:14 AM »
Reading your posts too, I'm going to be convinced to start a new project using Askari. Has someone reviewed the army lists for TMWWBK ? Thanks in advance

Offline CPT Shanks

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #50 on: December 05, 2021, 05:40:03 PM »
Giorgio I am not using the Theoretical Russian list in TMWWBK. For a couple of reasons. First I don't think it gives a good representation of the Russians that conquered central Asia classifying them as unenthusiastic and poor shots. I keep mine as Regular Infantry and make them fierce to encourage getting stuck in, use only one irregular cavalry recognizing their limited use in the mountains, then keep the well drilled gun, in my case the gatling
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Offline giorgio

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2021, 07:25:45 PM »
Shank I agree. I don't know why Russian infantry should be unenthusiastic. ...and Your proposal is also cheaper ;) lol

Offline italwars

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #52 on: December 05, 2021, 08:02:46 PM »
Reading your posts too, I'm going to be convinced to start a new project using Askari. Has someone reviewed the army lists for TMWWBK ? Thanks in advance

Hi Giorgio..wish you are fine..congrats for the NWF campaign and the intrigues  :)..sorry if i disappeared...by the way the Askari Russians and Central Asian are my favourite..easy to paint and compatible with almost everything.. but it's so expensive to order them from Italy and then they are, in those days, invariably targeted by our customer office's extorsions ..sorry.."import taxes"...it seem easier and cheaper to recruit real tribesmen and cossacks than Askari castings :'(
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Offline giorgio

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #53 on: December 05, 2021, 09:35:17 PM »
Hi Pier Paolo nice to hear from you! Why don't you enter some consideration/provocation in the NWF saga topic? Have you painted Askari Russians and Central Asia, approx how much P&P costs? I recommend to include in the list of books also Ian Health's Central Asia and the Himalayan Kingdoms (Armies of the Nineteenth Century: Asia)

Offline italwars

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #54 on: December 06, 2021, 12:49:03 AM »
Hi
the cost of ordering Askari minis from Italy is very high ..even if you buy just one packet expect to pay something around 25/35 dollars for postage  ..you could try to simulate by yourself by adding to the cart and calculate postage …you ll be shocked ..then, when the parcel get trough and reach Italy, custom officials will keep it for another week or two and ask you about 50 per cent of the value in taxes..which is really an extortion ..on the other hand the customer service from Askari is quick and very good ..I Ve just began to paint some central Asians..the Russians are good figures cause they didn’t wear, contrary to other manufactures, the clumsy blanket across the body ..by the way you can order cavalry/Cossacks from the excellent Outpost wargames in UK..they even produce on their Russo-Turkish War range some mounted and dismounted central Asian/Circassians ..compatible with Askari, OG, Foundry ecc..don’t forget Russian cavalry from the often neglected Redoubt miniatures ..sold singly and even without horses same as Outpost..they are from the Russo-Japanese range and contrary to other Redoubt ranges, perfectly compatible with Foundry, Askari , OG…in the near future I will  also have a try with Tiger miniatures ..and I’ll post some picts
Last thought there is also a low budget quite interesting way to raise some Central Asian units :
You can order, as I did, some spare Central Asian tribesmen heads from Siberia Miniatures whose boss is a member of the forum and fix it to mounted or dismounted Gripping Beast cheaper plastic Arabs (adding muskets, scabbards ecc) ..the heads are compatible and absolutely beautiful ..the nice guy behind Siberia Miniatures,  Cuprum , designed even different  and detailed features for the headdress of various tribes  and ethnic groups heads...
as soon as I’ll have time to recuperate my conversion attempts s
 from wood box stored in my cellar I’ll post some picts.

I own that very book published by foundry from wich I came to a pair of less impressive conclusions:
- foot tribesmen were totally useless and saw very limited action
- in any case few or no real open battles took place if compared to some moderately bloody sieges. Mounted tribesmen were simply unwilling to fight and became elusive as soon as they met Cossack scout parties.
So, in my opinion, a period most suited for “what if” scenarios”
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Offline italwars

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #55 on: December 06, 2021, 01:39:13 AM »
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Offline giorgio

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #56 on: December 06, 2021, 06:14:45 AM »
Italwars thank you

Offline S J Donovan

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #57 on: December 06, 2021, 08:12:26 PM »
Tiger Miniatures in the UK has a new line of Central Asians and Russians for the period.

Offline giorgio

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #58 on: December 07, 2021, 07:09:56 AM »
Thanks, How do they dimension compare with others?

Offline marco55

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #59 on: December 07, 2021, 11:42:24 AM »
I think they are pretty big.I don't know about Outpost's
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