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Author Topic: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's  (Read 21102 times)

Offline JBaumal

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #165 on: July 30, 2022, 03:39:07 AM »
Mark, those new figs look awesome.

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #166 on: August 01, 2022, 12:46:00 PM »
Does anyone have a good picture of a Central Asian Leader/General from the 1860's-70's?
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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #167 on: August 11, 2022, 08:48:56 PM »
Will this guy work?

The Emir of Bukhara, Alim Khan (1880-1944)




Offline Emir of Askaristan

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #168 on: August 11, 2022, 10:04:06 PM »
You want a signed one  lol lol

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #169 on: August 11, 2022, 10:51:55 PM »
Will this guy work?

The Emir of Bukhara, Alim Khan (1880-1944)



I need more of a general type. This guy would cost double to sculpt. lol lol lol
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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #170 on: August 12, 2022, 08:30:15 AM »
Here's a couple of group photos from which you and/or your sculptor may be able to create a more "general type":



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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #171 on: August 12, 2022, 10:20:29 AM »
The Russians fought with three Central Asian states: the Khiva Khanate, the Kokand Khanate and the Emirate of Bukhara. Of these states, only the Emirate of Bukhara had a regular army (which had an established uniform), the rest had only tribal militias. All militias wore a paramilitary national costume, and each tribe had its own characteristics in the costume. So these points must be taken into account if you want to create a more or less reliable army of one of the Central Asian states.

I definitely recommend purchasing the book: Central Asia and the Himalayan Kingdoms (Armies of the Nineteenth Century: Asia) by Ian Heath. There is a relatively good description of the organization of the Central Asian armies. Though not without errors.
Illustrations from this book:


Bokhara

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039164_16.png

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/imgs/imp1467038773_1.png

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467038821_2.png

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467038845_3.png


Khiva

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039218_18.png

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467038960_8_1.png

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467038988_9_1.png


Khokand

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039243_19.png

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039017_10.png

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039044_11.png


Kazakh

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039263_20.png

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039068_12_1.png

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039091_13.png


Turcoman

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039286_21.png

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039115_14_1.png

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039141_15_1.png

I also recommend that you familiarize yourself with the paintings of the Russian artist Vereshchagin, who participated in one of the Central Asian campaigns of the Russian army. In his paintings you will see these armies in color.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?14566-Vasily-Vereschagin-Turkestan-Cycle

I produce figurines of Central Asian tribal warriors for the period of the Civil War in Russia (Basmachi). By replacing heads, you can get warriors from different tribes. But you will have to convert weapons to an earlier one in order to get figures suitable for this period (which, in my opinion, is not so difficult).

http://siberia-miniatures.ru/index.php?cPath=41_39_51_156






« Last Edit: August 12, 2022, 10:29:32 AM by cuprum »

Offline marco55

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #172 on: August 12, 2022, 11:19:32 AM »
Your figures look good but my figures are 22mm.
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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #173 on: August 23, 2022, 02:48:06 PM »
The Russians fought with three Central Asian states: the Khiva Khanate, the Kokand Khanate and the Emirate of Bukhara. Of these states, only the Emirate of Bukhara had a regular army (which had an established uniform), the rest had only tribal militias. All militias wore a paramilitary national costume, and each tribe had its own characteristics in the costume. So these points must be taken into account if you want to create a more or less reliable army of one of the Central Asian states.

I definitely recommend purchasing the book: Central Asia and the Himalayan Kingdoms (Armies of the Nineteenth Century: Asia) by Ian Heath. There is a relatively good description of the organization of the Central Asian armies. Though not without errors.
Illustrations from this book:


Bokhara

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039164_16.png

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/imgs/imp1467038773_1.png

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467038821_2.png

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467038845_3.png


Khiva

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039218_18.png

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467038960_8_1.png

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467038988_9_1.png


Khokand

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039243_19.png

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039017_10.png

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039044_11.png


Kazakh

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039263_20.png

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039068_12_1.png

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039091_13.png


Turcoman

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039286_21.png

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039115_14_1.png

http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/load/load1467039141_15_1.png

I also recommend that you familiarize yourself with the paintings of the Russian artist Vereshchagin, who participated in one of the Central Asian campaigns of the Russian army. In his paintings you will see these armies in color.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?14566-Vasily-Vereschagin-Turkestan-Cycle

I produce figurines of Central Asian tribal warriors for the period of the Civil War in Russia (Basmachi). By replacing heads, you can get warriors from different tribes. But you will have to convert weapons to an earlier one in order to get figures suitable for this period (which, in my opinion, is not so difficult).

http://siberia-miniatures.ru/index.php?cPath=41_39_51_156








Are your figures more 28mm or 25mm?
Mark

Offline cuprum

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #174 on: August 24, 2022, 12:16:28 AM »
28 mm

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #175 on: August 24, 2022, 12:22:30 AM »
ok thanks.
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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #176 on: August 24, 2022, 02:52:03 PM »
What did officers like Kaufmann and Skobelev wear in the way of uniforms on campaign? Did they wear their medals? Here is a rough look  of both officers  I'm having done.Honest opinions please.
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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #177 on: August 24, 2022, 04:01:40 PM »
Overall, very nice renders. Things to consider: the belts look a bit too thin to my eye. The beard too abrupt. As if the hair on the edge is coming out at a 90 degree angle. Facial hair on the cheeks is usually at an acute angle. almost parallel to the skin.
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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #178 on: August 25, 2022, 04:52:49 AM »
Of course, Russian senior officers did not use a full dress uniform on a campaign. These images will give you an idea of the Russian officer uniform on the campaign:






Only figures in red pants belong to the Central Asian campaigns





A very noticeable mistake of the sculptor is the officer's double-breasted uniform (two vertical rows of buttons on the chest). The uniform on the chest deeply overlaps one part on the other (two layers of fabric are obtained, one above the other). The junction of the uniform cannot spread like that in different directions, leaving a gap.
I don't know if I was able to make my point clearly.

No awards are worn on a campaign. Award weapons can be used.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2022, 05:17:11 AM by cuprum »

Offline Tom Dulski

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Re: Russian Conquest of Central Asia 1860's-1880's
« Reply #179 on: August 25, 2022, 10:47:52 AM »
I got this fort for my project. Now I have to get it painted. :D
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where did you get this?