Welcome,
Guest
. Please
login
or
register
.
1 Hour
1 Day
1 Week
1 Month
Forever
Login with username, password and session length
News:
Donate to the Lead Adventure Forum to keep it alive!
Home
Help
TinyPortal
Search
Calendar
Gallery
Search
Stats
Donations
Login
Register
Lead Adventure Forum
»
Forum
»
Miniatures Adventure
»
Medieval Adventures
(Moderator:
Captain Blood
) »
Hand Gunners in the HYW?
User
Welcome,
Guest
. Please
login
or
register
.
April 29, 2024, 08:51:16 AM
1 Hour
1 Day
1 Week
1 Month
Forever
Login with username, password and session length
Donate
We Appreciate Your Support
Search
Advanced search
stats
Members
Total Members: 10457
Latest:
RAFMSilverFox
Stats
Total Posts: 1691095
Total Topics: 118371
Online Today: 860
Online Ever: 2235
(October 29, 2023, 01:32:45 AM)
Users Online
Users: 21
Guests: 783
Total: 804
Digits
HappyChappy439
Malamute
Mad Lord Snapcase
majorsmith
McMordain
armchairgeneral
Drunkendwarf
Count Belisarius
Cubs
Friends of General Haig
Sunjester
Commander Roj
AKULA
OSHIROmodels
Yankeepedlar01
infelix
brunei35
black hat miniatures
Paul Richardson
Ogrob
Recent
Fantastic Legions' 15th C...
by
vodkafan
[
Today
at 08:33:32 AM]
Painting up Bloodborne th...
by
Plynkes
[
Today
at 08:20:16 AM]
Blood on the Sands: A Gam...
by
Furt
[
Today
at 08:06:38 AM]
Constable Bertrand's Fant...
by
Constable Bertrand
[
Today
at 08:02:49 AM]
50th Infantry Division Ty...
by
bluewillow
[
Today
at 07:31:26 AM]
(WANTED) GW/Maurauder met...
by
OSHIROmodels
[
Today
at 07:21:17 AM]
Shogun remake
by
OSHIROmodels
[
Today
at 07:18:01 AM]
Ogrob's medievals for SAG...
by
NTM
[
Today
at 07:17:45 AM]
Koyote's SAGA Britons, Ir...
by
Dean
[
Today
at 07:08:51 AM]
Hi from South Africa
by
Dean
[
Today
at 07:05:58 AM]
Valleyboy's Italian wars(...
by
WillPhillips
[
Today
at 06:58:51 AM]
BSC2024 Burgundavia's spa...
by
Lost Egg
[
Today
at 06:44:12 AM]
Deano's Fantasy Figures (...
by
Deano
[
Today
at 06:26:41 AM]
(Commercial) New Rules co...
by
ced1106
[
Today
at 05:22:58 AM]
CapnJim's Modern Stuff (A...
by
mikedemana
[
Today
at 03:08:20 AM]
« previous
next »
Print
Pages: [
1
]
Go Down
Author
Topic: Hand Gunners in the HYW? (Read 1414 times)
CaptainBigglesmay
Assistant
Posts: 49
Aucto Splendore Resurgo
Hand Gunners in the HYW?
«
on:
March 12, 2019, 09:25:43 PM »
Hello,
Bit of a picking of brains, but when is the first recorded use of an English Army using Handgunners in the HYW? And did they see any use in battles in England/wider UK?
Looking around 1403 really, for reasons..
Many thanks.
Logged
Mick_in_Switzerland
Supporting Adventurer
Scatterbrained Genius
Posts: 2487
Re: Hand Gunners in the HYW?
«
Reply #1 on:
March 13, 2019, 12:42:13 PM »
I think both sides had handgonnes during the siege of Orleans in 1428. I don't recall anything earlier.
The English were reported to have had small bombards or ribauldequin at Crecy 1346.
«
Last Edit: March 13, 2019, 12:46:14 PM by Mick_in_Switzerland
»
Logged
https://www.facebook.com/groups/136386787001968/
painterman
Mad Scientist
Posts: 974
Re: Hand Gunners in the HYW?
«
Reply #2 on:
March 13, 2019, 04:42:19 PM »
If rpm memory, there are records of small bore artillery being kept in the Royal Armouries at the end of the 14th century. Think numbers are very small and so their appearance on the battlefield are likely to be rare. See Thom Richardson book on Royal Armouries in 14th century.
I also assume that gunpowder weapons are too expensive for private purchase and use?
The same records don’t exist for most of 15th century. I will check Grummits book on Calais Garrison in 15th Century for any reference as this maybe indicative?
I think if you’re doing a large force/battle then they may not be numerous enough to form a dustinct unit. If a seige then they maybe more likely to be there?
Hope that helps?
Cheers Simon
Logged
CaptainBigglesmay
Assistant
Posts: 49
Aucto Splendore Resurgo
Re: Hand Gunners in the HYW?
«
Reply #3 on:
March 13, 2019, 06:55:52 PM »
Thanks for the replies, I've seen a few references to Handgunners in the Black Prince's army at Crecy but as you say, probably no more than a few hundred. There's account of ball moulds for shipment to France to join Edward's army
Hand cannon being fired from a stand, Bellifortis, manuscript, by Konrad Kyeser, 1400
Is an image i'm going off too, more a fixed piece but if thats around then what else was?
Two Swiss hand cannons and the "Tiber" gun, late 1300's (Historisches Museum, Bern)
If the Swiss are playing around with these in let's say 1375-90's, what chance a few figures on a 1403 Wargames table set in the UK?
Logged
Mick_in_Switzerland
Supporting Adventurer
Scatterbrained Genius
Posts: 2487
Re: Hand Gunners in the HYW?
«
Reply #4 on:
March 14, 2019, 08:54:07 AM »
In 28mm there are these from Perry. They are based on the manuscript of Konrad Kyeser.
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=23_36&products_id=1477&osCsid=d4he9eb9vab4p44nrgmj2stsi3
Logged
Dr. Zombie
Scatterbrained Genius
Posts: 3096
Re: Hand Gunners in the HYW?
«
Reply #5 on:
March 14, 2019, 09:10:14 AM »
I cannot find it right now. But there is a written source that tells of how the Danish king sends a gift of sulphur for making black powder to Henry V before the campaign that leads to Agincourt.
Logged
Print
Pages: [
1
]
Go Up
« previous
next »
Lead Adventure Forum
»
Forum
»
Miniatures Adventure
»
Medieval Adventures
(Moderator:
Captain Blood
) »
Hand Gunners in the HYW?