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Author Topic: Transcaspian army/military forces, any insignia ?  (Read 1140 times)

Offline elefant66

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Transcaspian army/military forces, any insignia ?
« on: November 08, 2019, 09:29:13 AM »
Did the  military forces of the Transcaspian Government 1918-20,  Turkmen, mensheviks and anti Bolsheviks use their own type of rank insignia, headgear cockades, branch of service collar patches etc ?

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Re: Transcaspian army/military forces, any insignia ?
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2019, 09:38:15 AM »
Yes. At least some of them had original insignia. But information about this is extremely scarce. I will try to introduce you to the information that I have, but apparently not earlier than Sunday - I am very busy right now.

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Re: Transcaspian army/military forces, any insignia ?
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2019, 05:08:38 AM »
There is very little information about this front. To date, I know the following:

In the first period of existence (socialist), the armed forces consisted of armed workers, world war veterans, former officers of the tsarist army, and the militia of Turkmen tribes.
Workers have civilian clothes. Veterans may have Russian-style military clothing (tunics are often used Turkestan - white). The officers also use the Russian army uniform, as well as English sample uniforms. Turkmens use a national costume (a long robe in red-yellow, lilac-black shallow stripes, large black furhats. The hats of officers, mullahs could be white).
Outwardly, there were no differences from the Bolshevik troops. There are no cockades and shoulder straps.

After the removal of the socialist government, officers have shoulder straps of the former (Imperial army) standard. Soldiers have them much less often, not wanting to use them as a symbol of the tsarist regime.
Many military units receive English uniforms and weapons. Probably cockades on caps are used Russian.

The reinforcements received from Denikin’s army had the uniform characteristic of his army — the Russian or Caucasian type.

In the Turkestan Rifle Division, unusual hats were introduced that were cross-linked from horse canvases feedbag. I do not have their image. Later, such headgear was received by the Meshedian squadron, all artillery and all armored train teams. They were considered a distinction for the most persistent military units. Colored ribbons were sewn onto these hats according to the type of troops: blue for cavalrymen, crimson for shooters, scarlet for artillery and armored trains. Also, laces were sewn on it, as insignia of ranks. An ordinary rope was sewn as a chin strap.

Offline elefant66

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Re: Transcaspian army/military forces, any insignia ?
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2019, 05:31:19 PM »
Thanks for posting all that information Michael,  didn't you have something about this in your S M forum ?

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Re: Transcaspian army/military forces, any insignia ?
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2019, 03:40:13 AM »
Yes, all, or almost all available information on this issue is posted on my forum.
But, unfortunately, it is not currently available. In addition, most of this information is in Russian and this makes it difficult to use for those who do not speak this language.

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Re: Transcaspian army/military forces, any insignia ?
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2019, 08:16:01 PM »
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