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Offline janner

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Re: 11th Century Welsh Warriors?
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2020, 10:36:08 AM »
Given the lack of data, I think GB’s offering as good as any for bowmen, but would look to Anglo-Danes for higher status troops

For the Cambro-Norman presence in Ireland a century later, I think Andy Hobday’s Barons’ War archers worthy of consideration.

Offline Atheling

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Re: 11th Century Welsh Warriors?
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2020, 02:51:53 PM »
Given the lack of data, I think GB’s offering as good as any for bowmen, but would look to Anglo-Danes for higher status troops

That's pretty much what I've decided upon. Mainly Thegn and Ceorl types.

For the Cambro-Norman presence in Ireland a century later, I think Andy Hobday’s Barons’ War archers worthy of consideration.

There clothing, stylistically, is far too late. :)

Offline janner

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Re: 11th Century Welsh Warriors?
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2020, 03:01:13 PM »
That's pretty much what I've decided upon. Mainly Thegn and Ceorl types.

There clothing, stylistically, is far too late. :)

I thought they looked okay for c.1170, matching the image of the shepherds in the Winchester Psalter, for example.

What looks out of place to you?

Offline Atheling

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Re: 11th Century Welsh Warriors?
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2020, 07:24:41 PM »
I thought they looked okay for c.1170, matching the image of the shepherds in the Winchester Psalter, for example.

Correct, but that would be the 12th Century  ;) :D


Offline janner

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Re: 11th Century Welsh Warriors?
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2020, 09:17:24 PM »
Correct, but that would be the 12th Century  ;) :D

Ah, yes, I had posted that they would be suitable for the Cambro-Norman intervention a century later beause Westwaller had mentioned that period. I thought you must have misread it 👍

Offline julesav

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Re: 11th Century Welsh Warriors?
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2020, 03:12:31 PM »
As a resident of Wales there's a tradition that 'war shirts' were red.

I've no idea of it's authenticity or age but I thought I'd mention it.

This is allegedly why the modern Welsh national team's rugby shirt is red! You pays your money and takes your choice! ;-)
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Offline Atheling

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Re: 11th Century Welsh Warriors?
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2020, 05:43:59 PM »
As a resident of Wales there's a tradition that 'war shirts' were red.

I've no idea of it's authenticity or age but I thought I'd mention it.

This is allegedly why the modern Welsh national team's rugby shirt is red! You pays your money and takes your choice! ;-)

Errrrrr no offence but probably not :)

Offline julesav

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Re: 11th Century Welsh Warriors?
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2020, 11:50:18 AM »
No offence taken.

You have to try much harder than that to offend me!

I just thought it offered a possibly authentic idea for a theme in colour schemes. YMMV.

Offline Atheling

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Re: 11th Century Welsh Warriors?
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2020, 01:12:51 PM »
No offence taken.

You have to try much harder than that to offend me!

I just thought it offered a possibly authentic idea for a theme in colour schemes. YMMV.

My remark was not mean't to cause offence.

Please refer to my original post at the start of the thread :)

Offline huevans

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Re: 11th Century Welsh Warriors?
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2020, 05:14:47 PM »
My remark was not mean't to cause offence.

Please refer to my original post at the start of the thread :)

No offence taken by me either.

But curious as to why you think my doughty Celtic slave-raiding ancestors wouldn't have access to red clothing?

Offline Atheling

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Re: 11th Century Welsh Warriors?
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2020, 05:44:54 PM »
No offence taken by me either.

But curious as to why you think my doughty Celtic slave-raiding ancestors wouldn't have access to red clothing?

I didn't say that. I should perhaps have been more explicit. The idea of any large group 11th Century soldiers uniformly dressed in red is very unlikely IMHO.

Also, my original question was:

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What to Use as 11th Century Welsh Warriors?

Has anyone got any ideas for which manufacturer/s I can legitimately use as 11th Century Welsh Warriors in 28mm?

They're for the Battle of Shrewsbury 1069 game and to be honest, through lack of evidence I'm at a bit of a loss.
There's Gripping Beast's lovely Welsh range but they are way too early.

Any ideas please?

:)
« Last Edit: April 15, 2020, 06:36:03 PM by Atheling »

Offline huevans

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Re: 11th Century Welsh Warriors?
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2020, 12:38:54 PM »
Aah, the uniformity issue.

OTOH, no one has any problem with a large gaggle of 16th Century Irish kerns all dressed in saphron yellow?

Offline Atheling

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Re: 11th Century Welsh Warriors?
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2020, 12:48:51 PM »
Aah, the uniformity issue.

OTOH, no one has any problem with a large gaggle of 16th Century Irish kerns all dressed in saphron yellow?

Which nicely addresses my original question  ::)

Could we please try to stay on topic? :)